how to win in pvp:
1. be tactical
2. buy escort
3. take full cannons build, no torpedos
4. take 2 attack patterns and use them together (alpha+omega, beta+omega..)
and no sci or eng even with superhero build can threaten you.
guide for sci:
dont play sci
guide for cruisers:
dont play cruisers
blablabla, yeah, i had really bad game against 3 such escorts a while ago and am angry. the build up there is 3 times better than all others.
So do they teach this level of " self-defeatism" in the Academy or is it a trait of Engineers?
I know many players whom enjoy thier Engineers becuase they work very well at what they are suppossed to do as Engineers and without such Players many ground STFs are very hard to run as well as most any PvP ques are deadly without that Engineer Healing and support.
Ok, engi might me a little UP and tacticals OP, but if you say that scientists are pointless...probably you've never played with a good team.
A team without healer...is not really a team!
Think about what you write ;D
Peldor Joi,
Archimede
P2W means Play To Win
Archimede - Leader and Founder of "Raiders of Starfleet"
...and 21 other characters!
how to win in pvp:
1. be tactical
2. buy escort
3. take full cannons build, no torpedos
4. take 2 attack patterns and use them together (alpha+omega, beta+omega..)
and no sci or eng even with superhero build can threaten you.
guide for sci:
dont play sci
guide for cruisers:
dont play cruisers
blablabla, yeah, i had really bad game against 3 such escorts a while ago and am angry. the build up there is 3 times better than all others.
how to win in pvp:
1. be tactical
2. buy escort
3. take full cannons build, no torpedos
4. take 2 attack patterns and use them together (alpha+omega, beta+omega..)
and no sci or eng even with superhero build can threaten you.
guide for sci:
dont play sci
guide for cruisers:
dont play cruisers
blablabla, yeah, i had really bad game against 3 such escorts a while ago and am angry. the build up there is 3 times better than all others.
GUYYZ he said he was just being all RANTY cause he got pooped on! Be nice.
Now OP, show us on the doll where the bad tactical captain touched you.
could some one please tell these sci captains that they suck please already? they really arent getting the message and they keep on causing 90% of my deaths.
Yeah seriously OP, check my siglinks for guides on how to build ships.
If you aren't playing a lone escort to a standstill as an Eng, or decimating the escort with your Sci, something is amiss in your build setup and/or timing.
My main's an Eng. He's currently flying a Mirror Star Cruiser. He's not a healer. He lives in PUGland. He might spare an AtS, ET, or HE to an ally if the Escorts have given up plinking damage against him. He's got no shield love to share though - he likes to hull tank Tact Cubes in ESTFs for the lulz - so shields/schmields. Trics tickle. Sure, a Sci working with a couple of Escorts will make him stare at the respawn button and pout... but the only thing he really fears is this one guy out there that flies a DHC Command Bort that kills him every time. He can even tell when it's THAT GUY - because everything's fine and then he's below 10% hull in a blink of an eye...then pops.
Guide - Space PvP
Be like that guy in the Command Bort...
...don't be the guy that complains about Escorts.
This looks more like a guide to space PvE. Notice the lack of #5 - explode over and over, and #6 - spend half the match on engine power running from focus fire.
As much as I desperately love you and want you to bear my children, I have to say no to this.
Sci captains can make can make it easier to achieve what IS the key to PVP, but it is only one way to do so.
Now. How about you beam those child bearing hips over to my ready room? I'll make sure DDIS is gone before you get there.
To my Thissler,
Dear love and lust of my life, show me a nuked target, I'll show you a dead one. Not all of us have the gift of the BOPsplosion like you do. Try as we might.... Too many targets remain alive and with too much kick in them.
To elaborate: teamwork and windows of spike damage and healing are to me what makes pvp in this game. Capture these windows and watch your overall productivity, as any captain in any ship increase to be more of a benefit to your team.
I agree completely with the original poster. I have no choice. The last time I suggested Science wasn't completely worthless I incited a fair amount of childish rage.
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Foundry: Yet Another Borg Mission
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
Sci cappys, with one doff, also get a power that reduces whatever damage you'll do for the next 10 seconds by 45%. Just, y'know, FYI. It's Science's ability and role to pry both ways, reduce the enemy team's ability to deal damage and heal effectively while increasing the effectiveness of your team's healing and damage output.
If you feel Keel'el's effect is well designed, please, for your own safety, be very careful around shallow pools of water.
Dear love and lust of my life, show me a nuked target, I'll show you a dead one. Not all of us have the gift of the BOPsplosion like you do. Try as we might.... Too many targets remain alive and with too much kick in them.
To elaborate: teamwork and windows of spike damage and healing are to me what makes pvp in this game. Capture these windows and watch your overall productivity, as any captain in any ship increase to be more of a benefit to your team.
Forever yours,
Horizon
Spot on! And it is certainly true that a Sci Cappy can Nuc a window into existence. Us lowly tacs have to use other methods when those Sci guys are off doing whatever it is they do on thier day off.
Outside of team play, sometimes just waiting is all it takes. Or bluffing your target with a one buff attack. Not many defenders have the discipline to play the 'just enough game' and instead use the 'blow all my CD's and be uber' tactic, and once those defenses drop then it's the tacs turn.
Inside of team play it sure is teamwork on making those windows happen and having enough tac at the right time to exploit it.
Spot on! And it is certainly true that a Sci Cappy can Nuc a window into existence. Us lowly tacs have to use other methods when those Sci guys are off doing whatever it is they do on thier day off.
i vent windows into existence, im not patent. the tac buffs are just sitting there cooled down! calling to me!
i don't think you want to make a piro maniac jealous
i vent windows into existence, im not patent. the tac buffs are just sitting there cooled down! calling to me!
Venting works! All those little tricks engineers can do serve dual roles. They blunt attacks AND they weaken opponents. This is something that I feel isn't fully appreciated by most players. If you dump plasma on an escort, unless he can correct that, there goes his attack, there goes his defense, and he's taking a bit of damage. (heres the edit: Before DDIS points out all the wonderful ways he can stack plasma damage I'm here to say that he CAN do it. So if you see him don't let him poo on you! It WILL burn!)
Maybe it's due to the circular shield icon that shows up around the ships but I think of each ship as sitting on a disc. That disc at rest is your ships health. At any moment, any tac could come up and shove you right off that disc. Any ship, any time, if you don't do SOMETHING to stop it, any tac can push you over the edge. Say you use an ability to strengthen your shields? That disc just larger. Now it may be to large for a tac to push you off, and if a tac can't do that all at once, he never will. EVER. Period. Nothing more to discuss.
But now say an engineer or a science comes along. What they do is they shrink that disc down to size again. Now that tac can give you that shove and lo and behold you're done. So when you look at a ship, any ship, your ship, in combat it helps to know what your looking at. Full health ship at rest doing nothing? That ship is in GRIEVOUS danger. No really it is. Half health half shields ship running TT maybe a TSS/EPTS and still has RSP or perhaps evasive on deck? That ships doing fine and it may be doing some major TRIBBLE kicking. Avoid it. Now stick that ship into some Plasma Poo and see how things change for it. If they don't have a way out, or they don't realize the counters that they do have things will go south very quickly.
It's a dynamic game. And something that some players are starting to call "effective health" can change dramatically in value VERY quickly. Knowing when that is occuring and how to manipulate those changes yourself (yes horizon, or as part of a team) is key to success.
PS: Just seeing some folks use the term "effective health" gives me hope.
Cheers happy flying and NO ONE better give DDIS a match. I mean it!
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Do you even Science Bro?
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
I know many players whom enjoy thier Engineers becuase they work very well at what they are suppossed to do as Engineers and without such Players many ground STFs are very hard to run as well as most any PvP ques are deadly without that Engineer Healing and support.
R.I.P
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Ok, engi might me a little UP and tacticals OP, but if you say that scientists are pointless...probably you've never played with a good team.
A team without healer...is not really a team!
Think about what you write ;D
Peldor Joi,
Archimede
Archimede - Leader and Founder of "Raiders of Starfleet"
...and 21 other characters!
You can find help here
http://pvp-boot.camp.shivtr.com
GUYYZ he said he was just being all RANTY cause he got pooped on! Be nice.
Now OP, show us on the doll where the bad tactical captain touched you.
Was it here?
Lower?
ohmy
If you aren't playing a lone escort to a standstill as an Eng, or decimating the escort with your Sci, something is amiss in your build setup and/or timing.
have a great sci captain on your team and watch out.
Guide - Space PvP
Be like that guy in the Command Bort...
...don't be the guy that complains about Escorts.
As much as I desperately love you and want you to bear my children, I have to say no to this.
Sci captains can make can make it easier to achieve what IS the key to PVP, but it is only one way to do so.
Now. How about you beam those child bearing hips over to my ready room? I'll make sure DDIS is gone before you get there.
To my Thissler,
Dear love and lust of my life, show me a nuked target, I'll show you a dead one. Not all of us have the gift of the BOPsplosion like you do. Try as we might.... Too many targets remain alive and with too much kick in them.
To elaborate: teamwork and windows of spike damage and healing are to me what makes pvp in this game. Capture these windows and watch your overall productivity, as any captain in any ship increase to be more of a benefit to your team.
Forever yours,
Horizon
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
who wants to help me get better!?
Do you even Science Bro?
Spot on! And it is certainly true that a Sci Cappy can Nuc a window into existence. Us lowly tacs have to use other methods when those Sci guys are off doing whatever it is they do on thier day off.
Outside of team play, sometimes just waiting is all it takes. Or bluffing your target with a one buff attack. Not many defenders have the discipline to play the 'just enough game' and instead use the 'blow all my CD's and be uber' tactic, and once those defenses drop then it's the tacs turn.
Inside of team play it sure is teamwork on making those windows happen and having enough tac at the right time to exploit it.
Cheers and happy flying!
PS: Do you still have my socks?
oddly enough, 2 right ones.
thats weird.
i don't think you want to make a piro maniac jealous
i vent windows into existence, im not patent. the tac buffs are just sitting there cooled down! calling to me!
Venting works! All those little tricks engineers can do serve dual roles. They blunt attacks AND they weaken opponents. This is something that I feel isn't fully appreciated by most players. If you dump plasma on an escort, unless he can correct that, there goes his attack, there goes his defense, and he's taking a bit of damage. (heres the edit: Before DDIS points out all the wonderful ways he can stack plasma damage I'm here to say that he CAN do it. So if you see him don't let him poo on you! It WILL burn!)
Maybe it's due to the circular shield icon that shows up around the ships but I think of each ship as sitting on a disc. That disc at rest is your ships health. At any moment, any tac could come up and shove you right off that disc. Any ship, any time, if you don't do SOMETHING to stop it, any tac can push you over the edge. Say you use an ability to strengthen your shields? That disc just larger. Now it may be to large for a tac to push you off, and if a tac can't do that all at once, he never will. EVER. Period. Nothing more to discuss.
But now say an engineer or a science comes along. What they do is they shrink that disc down to size again. Now that tac can give you that shove and lo and behold you're done. So when you look at a ship, any ship, your ship, in combat it helps to know what your looking at. Full health ship at rest doing nothing? That ship is in GRIEVOUS danger. No really it is. Half health half shields ship running TT maybe a TSS/EPTS and still has RSP or perhaps evasive on deck? That ships doing fine and it may be doing some major TRIBBLE kicking. Avoid it. Now stick that ship into some Plasma Poo and see how things change for it. If they don't have a way out, or they don't realize the counters that they do have things will go south very quickly.
It's a dynamic game. And something that some players are starting to call "effective health" can change dramatically in value VERY quickly. Knowing when that is occuring and how to manipulate those changes yourself (yes horizon, or as part of a team) is key to success.
PS: Just seeing some folks use the term "effective health" gives me hope.
Cheers happy flying and NO ONE better give DDIS a match. I mean it!
As for the suggestion of "Don't play cruisers", my Tac Officer in the Fleet Excelsior will respectfully disagree
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/576724270834137866/F76FEC3239760DB1F30B4B79C649D49ACAD41F2F/
with the new romulan active, that ship can deal 2k dot before crit with EWP3 now
Disco Inferno