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The Winter elders are raised in a much shorter amount of time, so are only 200. The Elders you can raise on New Rolulus can be traded in for 400.
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100, they are 100. the "specials", w/ bow - earmuffs, etc, are 200 but are a lucky crit to get.
Strangely, the "regular" Epohh special, Purple-Black etc, are worth the same ammount as regular Elders...
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The video also told me I'd been pronouncing Lobi wrong all this time. Lobe-I not Lobe-i.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Regardless of what the 'official' way to pronounce Epohh is... the spelling itself lends itself to believe that it should be pronounced 'eh-pohh' and not 'ee-pohh'... otherwise it would probably have two e's in front. Google translate even pronounces it as 'eh' and not 'ee'. Not saying google translate is like the end all say all of how things are pronounced.. it's just how the word is constructed.
It's the same thing with Lobi. I'd probably say the majority of people assumed it was pronounced Lob'ee' instead of Lob'eye'. Lob'eye' just sounds really ridiculous in my opinion and doesn't flow as nicely as Lob'ee'. Google translate also pronounces this with an 'ee' instead of the 'eye'.
So take that as you will. Not saying it's right.. I just prefer it that way. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
Regardless of what the 'official' way to pronounce Epohh is... the spelling itself lends itself to believe that it should be pronounced 'eh-pohh' and not 'ee-pohh'... otherwise it would probably have two e's in front. Google translate even pronounces it as 'eh' and not 'ee'. Not saying google translate is like the end all say all of how things are pronounced.. it's just how the word is constructed.
It's the same thing with Lobi. I'd probably say the majority of people assumed it was pronounced Lob'ee' instead of Lob'eye'. Lob'eye' just sounds really ridiculous in my opinion and doesn't flow as nicely as Lob'ee'. Google translate also pronounces this with an 'ee' instead of the 'eye'.
So take that as you will. Not saying it's right.. I just prefer it that way. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
Lobi was pronounced that way onscreen and spelled that way in the script.
Star Trek languages often mimick the diversity found in real languages, including non-phoenetic spellings.
With Epohh, I'd imagine it would be like Data (Dah-ta/Day-ta) or Zero (Zeh-ro/Zee-ro). Or Superman's name Kal-El (Cahl-El, Caal-El). As in, I'd probably expect Brits to say eh-Poh and Americans to MOSTLY say ee-Poh, unless they have one of the more aristocratic accents. Kinda like how most Americans pronounce "route" as "rowte" rather than "root." American accents tend to push the ow's and ee's whenever it's possible to pronounce a word that way, as well as pushing hard R's before a vowel and after, whereas Brits tend to soften an R after a vowel.
It's not purely a Brit distinction. Take the word "About." Most folks in the States pronounce it like "ow" whereas Canadians have gravitated towards the "oo" sound. Scottish and Irish accents side with the "oo" and most Brit accents tend to go between "oo" (generally, lower class) and the "oui" sound (as in Oujia or the French Oui or an Oy with the y cropped off) whereas the American TENDS towards a sound that borders on being "ahbaough-wt."
If I had to go with what I'd reason as the correct phoenetic pronunication, it'd be somewhere between the Canadian and Brit middle class pronunciations for "About." And would rhyme with "out" AND "route."
But going with American, you never pass up a chance at making an "eee" or "aough" sound if you can and hyper-enunciate your consonants, while making your plosive sounds as hard as possible.
ee-Poh lets you hit the plosive "p" harder. The only thing I can think that likes hitting the plosives (tuh, duh, kuh, guh, buh, puh) harder than American English is Klingon.
Hence pronunciations like SKED-JUL instead of shed-yule for "schedule."
It's not purely a Brit distinction. Take the word "About." Most folks in the States pronounce it like "ow" whereas Canadians have gravitated towards the "oo" sound. Scottish and Irish accents side with the "oo" and most Brit accents tend to go between "oo" (generally, lower class) and the "oui" sound (as in Oujia or the French Oui or an Oy with the y cropped off) whereas the American TENDS towards a sound that borders on being "ahbaough-wt."
I am Canadian and I've never heard anyone in my 30 years say 'Aboot' unless they were trying to be funny.
I am Canadian and I've never heard anyone in my 30 years say 'Aboot' unless they were trying to be funny.
What part?
Because not only have I heard it but that's pretty much how it sounds when Wisconsinites, Michiganders, and some folks from Main say it.
In a more neutral accent, it sounds more like "baugh-wt." It's not LITERALLY "Aboot" unless it's a parody, generally. It's exaggeration. But closer to that than "a baugh-wt," which is closer to how it is in American broadcast accents. Practically like gargling mouthwash.
Basically, the broadcast accents barely purse the lips and speak from the throat without the tongue connecting with the roof of the mouth, guterally, when we say it, rather than pursing the lips and projecting from mouth or nasal region. Regional accents have been disappearing in North America for awhile as well.
It's not LITERALLY the same as "a boot." It's more about the lip purse, tongue, where you project from. Assuming you have a regional accent.
I've been told my own skews a touch Canadian. But that's probably from growing up in Ohio and resisting southern influence from the time I was a small child, although I'm not sure I was successful.
But for someone with a very prominent "a boot," check out Paul Gross. Trying to see if I can find a clip of it.
No. It's not exactly "a boot" but it's closer to that "a baugh-wt."
Dave Coulier has an almost Canadian American accent.
Alex Trebek, super-Canadian broadcast voice.
Maybe it's hard to hear because Canadians dominated so much of the non-regional broadcast entertainment in the States. Michael J. Fox, Shatner, Nimoy, Keanu Reeves, Avril Lavigne, Leonard Cohen. Granted, they do American for the most part but there are definite Candian elements to their speech.
Wouldn't we want to wonder where they wander, when they willingly wun off ?
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400? I could have sworn I just turned in an Elder Snow Epoh with a Bow and got only 200.
I knew it!
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-Thomas Marrone
The Winter elders are raised in a much shorter amount of time, so are only 200. The Elders you can raise on New Rolulus can be traded in for 400.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Where is this mythical "New Rolulus" ?
100, they are 100. the "specials", w/ bow - earmuffs, etc, are 200 but are a lucky crit to get.
Strangely, the "regular" Epohh special, Purple-Black etc, are worth the same ammount as regular Elders...
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How is "Epohh" pronounced like that when you pronounce "P'Epohh Mint" "Pep-oh Mint"? That is terribly inconsistent...
*takes a deep breath*
wabbit!
There ya go.
Unless you pronounce it "Peep-o-mint."
I pronounced it incorrectly lol It's supposed to look better than it sounds: p-eee-poe-mint
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
The video also told me I'd been pronouncing Lobi wrong all this time. Lobe-I not Lobe-i.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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It's the same thing with Lobi. I'd probably say the majority of people assumed it was pronounced Lob'ee' instead of Lob'eye'. Lob'eye' just sounds really ridiculous in my opinion and doesn't flow as nicely as Lob'ee'. Google translate also pronounces this with an 'ee' instead of the 'eye'.
So take that as you will. Not saying it's right.. I just prefer it that way. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
Lobi was pronounced that way onscreen and spelled that way in the script.
Star Trek languages often mimick the diversity found in real languages, including non-phoenetic spellings.
With Epohh, I'd imagine it would be like Data (Dah-ta/Day-ta) or Zero (Zeh-ro/Zee-ro). Or Superman's name Kal-El (Cahl-El, Caal-El). As in, I'd probably expect Brits to say eh-Poh and Americans to MOSTLY say ee-Poh, unless they have one of the more aristocratic accents. Kinda like how most Americans pronounce "route" as "rowte" rather than "root." American accents tend to push the ow's and ee's whenever it's possible to pronounce a word that way, as well as pushing hard R's before a vowel and after, whereas Brits tend to soften an R after a vowel.
It's not purely a Brit distinction. Take the word "About." Most folks in the States pronounce it like "ow" whereas Canadians have gravitated towards the "oo" sound. Scottish and Irish accents side with the "oo" and most Brit accents tend to go between "oo" (generally, lower class) and the "oui" sound (as in Oujia or the French Oui or an Oy with the y cropped off) whereas the American TENDS towards a sound that borders on being "ahbaough-wt."
If I had to go with what I'd reason as the correct phoenetic pronunication, it'd be somewhere between the Canadian and Brit middle class pronunciations for "About." And would rhyme with "out" AND "route."
But going with American, you never pass up a chance at making an "eee" or "aough" sound if you can and hyper-enunciate your consonants, while making your plosive sounds as hard as possible.
ee-Poh lets you hit the plosive "p" harder. The only thing I can think that likes hitting the plosives (tuh, duh, kuh, guh, buh, puh) harder than American English is Klingon.
Hence pronunciations like SKED-JUL instead of shed-yule for "schedule."
I am Canadian and I've never heard anyone in my 30 years say 'Aboot' unless they were trying to be funny.
What part?
Because not only have I heard it but that's pretty much how it sounds when Wisconsinites, Michiganders, and some folks from Main say it.
In a more neutral accent, it sounds more like "baugh-wt." It's not LITERALLY "Aboot" unless it's a parody, generally. It's exaggeration. But closer to that than "a baugh-wt," which is closer to how it is in American broadcast accents. Practically like gargling mouthwash.
Basically, the broadcast accents barely purse the lips and speak from the throat without the tongue connecting with the roof of the mouth, guterally, when we say it, rather than pursing the lips and projecting from mouth or nasal region. Regional accents have been disappearing in North America for awhile as well.
It's not LITERALLY the same as "a boot." It's more about the lip purse, tongue, where you project from. Assuming you have a regional accent.
I've been told my own skews a touch Canadian. But that's probably from growing up in Ohio and resisting southern influence from the time I was a small child, although I'm not sure I was successful.
But for someone with a very prominent "a boot," check out Paul Gross. Trying to see if I can find a clip of it.
No. It's not exactly "a boot" but it's closer to that "a baugh-wt."
Here we go:
Super-Canadian accents.
http://youtu.be/AktImTteilg
Dave Coulier has an almost Canadian American accent.
Alex Trebek, super-Canadian broadcast voice.
Maybe it's hard to hear because Canadians dominated so much of the non-regional broadcast entertainment in the States. Michael J. Fox, Shatner, Nimoy, Keanu Reeves, Avril Lavigne, Leonard Cohen. Granted, they do American for the most part but there are definite Candian elements to their speech.
You mean its, "Lobe-eye"
Or "Lob-eye?"
I gotta go with this one...
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