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Time to change turn rates for certain cruisers.
alexindcobra
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Now that they keep introducing more cruiser/escort hybrids, they need to consider revamping the turn rates for the existing cruisers. The Breen Chel Gret Cruiser is larger than the Excelsior and as wide as a Galaxy, yet they are giving it the base turn rate of a Chimira? I'm not going to even touch on the other Uberness of the ship, because that's a different subject. When it's base turn rate is 13, after adding player's skill tree, other consoles, and special engines, the ship will be just as fast and manuverable as a defiant. With the Galaxy, Odyssey, Catian Carrier, and Vo'Quv turning at rate of 6, it makes alot of the new cruisers look like they are on a sugar high. A turn rate of 8 at the least would be helpful in making these slow behemoth ships more competitive in PVP and n PVE.
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But people will disagree with that
Cruisers are meant to be played broadsiding, and that's what they do best. No turning is necessary.
And this is coming from a tac in a cannon Fleet Excelsior. Would a better turn rate help me out, sure, but having something with 60K hull flying around like an escort would be a lot to ask for.
Besides, I have the Breen ship. I don't find it to be all that uber. Anything that can mount DHC's needs to have a slightly better turn rate. Otherwise it's useless.
If you fly assualt cruisers or excelsior class, they don't come with the over slow 6 point turn rate. The Excelsior comes with an 8 point turn rate so if you flying that, you can't complain. Everybody don't want to fly the same type of ship just to get a reasonable turn rate. Now there are more super ships comming out, there needs to be a balance to that or the fabric of tha game will fall apart. If the ship has a turn rate of 6 in needs an upgrade to be competetitive.
Dont worry 6.5 turn rate wont make me turn like an escort if that what frighten you.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Enough with these god@mn threads asking for buffed cruiser turnrates.
so we won't be fighting it
were it required however
evasive works wonders
and my "broadside" can strip a cubes shields so I think it can handle a freezer
To the KDF captain complaining about feds asking for upgrades to cruisers.
Sounds like you do not want the feds to have anything that will end the KDF dominance of pvp.
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If those ships are going to turn that fast - then the crew better be strapped in and everything on board locked down.
I'd say it is time to change the turn rates for quite a few ships. Not up, but rather - down.
The KDF dominates PuGs only.
R.I.P
Teamwork Dominates in PVP and to this day most of these Federation Dogs fail to realize this.
Your maternal parent does not wear the footgear of a soldier
AA/ASD > ADR
Well, AA/ASD+shared toys > ADR+shared toys
When the cheese starts dropping, there's a clear advantage.
Now, in no-cheese matches - I'd say the Feds have the advantage.
Shame that's how Cryptic went about trying to balance KDF ships against Fed ships, eh?
I don't want to play klingons! So stop with your " hey sorry pal! You want a cruiser that rock? You better change faction!"
So much for the flexibility!
I think you choose a faction because you like their ideology if i may say or spirit.
The excuse and argument to have a faction with better ship is a nonsense and if it were made to get more people play klingons side, the numbers proove that this is a magistral fail attemp.
Now, no battlecruiser in fed side? What did you call the galaxy x then?
A ship that has been refit and equip with canon, cloack,a third nacelle to be on part with new ships of that times, and a spinal phaser lance.... A PEACE EXPLORATION CRUISER?
And don't respond to me this is not a battleship it a dreadnought!
This is a war ship!!
Mind you i dont want it to have to much turn rate, i do like the feeling of it slow turn, but here it just getting ridiculous, i bielieve that +0.5 turn rate and better inertia should do the trick, dont worry negvar pilote are safe with their 8 degree turn rate.
For other cruiser a buff should be apply intelligently in relation to the design role of the ship
Even if a better turn rate would do good to a star crruiser, here it is absolutly not neccesary, it not a dps ship, it would be a waste.
Same for odyssey, this ship dont need a buff, he can already turn better than gal x if you equip the 3 consoles.
So in the end only the tactical oriented cruiser should have a buff in turn rate, and this buff can even be done so that they stay less agile as klink cruiser.
But the gap should be reduce.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
The Andorian Battle Cruiser's coming, no?
I do not see a problem with granting all FED and KDF (Battle)Cruisers a +1 turn rate and a small reduction in Inertia value.
I want to fly a federation cruiser, and a special one, a galaxy x.
There is only 1 ship that i like to fly because i found him very biewtiful, very badass,it the breen ship, and i will have it, and no one will tell me that i am overpowered because i have 13degree turn rate and good bo tactical layout. They can't told me that, it cryptic who design it, they never done mistake, it is functioning as intended!
But you know, i anderstand why cryptic made exploration cruiser and dreadnought cruiser to be such bad ship, because every star trek fan would have only aquired this ship.
Just look outside esd, how many jhon luc picard and uss anterprice you see?
Bad business for cryptic they wouldn't have sell many ship!
Ans it a good move too, how many player have buy the ship and then let it takes dust to buy an other more efficient ship?
So, yeah, everything is perfect in the world of perfect world!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
1) The Odyssey doesn't have a base turn of 6, it's base turn is 5
2) My cruisers turn just fine thanks. They aren't meant to move around much, after all, they do specialize in tanking, and tanking doesn't require much movement.
3) I agree with a ton of other posts here. If you want a nimble cruiser-ish ship, just fly the Chel'gret or get a KDF battlecruiser. And for anyone who says "Q.Q I want my failnaught to be as nimble as a Vor'cha" too bloody bad. Just fly the Vor'cha.
You cannot ask for a buff to fed cruisers without also buffing KDF battlecruisers. I personally think they all could probably get a +1 turn-rate increase and be ok. But for the most part, they are fine as is. You just gotta build around their strengths and weaknesses.
I'll save time for other posters and just say you can't have your god cruiser, so stop asking.
Now a good reason for cruisers to have better turn rate other than to balance things, is that with the new omega and romulan torps having a 90 degree arc they are near useless on a cruiser since you by the time you turn to use it and then turn back to broadsiding with beams you will probably lose dps and get tired of having to constantly turn to use them. I am perfectly aware that the wide angle quantum torp was meant for this and works great, but why should cruisers lose out on 2 new weapons (and the set bonuses that go with them) that you work so hard to get? I got the omega torp 2 days ago and feel a mix of sadness that I can't effectively use my new weapon and straight up anger.
So here is the solution: make the romulan and omega torps wide angle too (they really should be anyway since they are unique weapons that should be usable to all playstyles), and either increase current cruiser turn rate or lower the breen ship's turn rate.
I do plan to get the breen ship, but I love the starfleet feel of the regent and its fun to broadside with beams, so why should I and others lose out for trying to get the greatest joy from my favorite game?
What will happen? What will we do? The answer is simple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U7rOUSvYM8
No, seriously. I can only imagine this is their way of introducing the next tier of ship. Like the free Ody was the introduction to fleet ships the breen not-a-cruiser is the way they introduce the next tier that will come after fleet ships. Not "technically" more powerful but sporting boff layouts and weapon configs that were kept separate before. They need to release new things for us to buy not upgrade things we've already paid. Personally I dislike it as much as anyone but I cannot imagine why else they would release what is in essence a giant escort in a the guise of a cruiser. It even has a Tac CMDR station.
That's actually their philosophy overall in respect to dealing with the KDF. They get better consoles and better Dil sources. I think its a poor way of handling it that only fosters resentment and bitterness.
The breen ship is a god cruiser if used correctly, so you are right that we should stop asking since they already gave it to us, but that also makes you wrong since you said we can't have it.
Did you even read the original post? We aren't asking for god cruisers we are asking for balance.
I did read the original post. And if you look carefully, I have posted a number of my own posts on cruisers. So please, don't even try it with me.
It's very simple. Cruisers are fine as is. They tank and heal pretty well, provided you know how to build them. I will agree that their turn rate is annoyingly low, but you know what, you can get around that pretty easily if you use the right ships and the right consoles.
So this is a L2P issue, nothing more.
1) the odyssey DAES have 6 degree base turn rate.
Check the cstore information or stowiki for that
And dont come here telling me that i should do better with the strenght of my ship when you dont even know the turnrate of your ship.
2) read my post carrefully, and re read it again, where did you see i want a ship as nimble as a negvar? 6+0.5= 6.5 exactly where did you see that as nimble as 8?
3) you find your odyssey to turn good? Fine so do i, just like i said in my precedent post
4) +0.5 degree turn rate= god ship? Is that a joke?
Cruiser are meant to be good tank, yes but some of them can have theeth also, see some klingons cruiser for that, and even the recently exelsior, regent, dkora.
It is not white and black in this world and so it is in this game.
So stop with your false preconsive idea, just like an other forumer told you recently, lately you lost the plot big time my friend.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
all fed cruisers need a +2 bump, bortas, and voqov needs a +2 bump, and the nebula and karfi needs a +1 bump. the bug should also have a turn rate no higher then 18 too imo.
Not trying to start anything, just pointing out that despite what you said there is a major problem here. The breen ship makes all fed cruisers with offensive setups like the regent and excelsior pointless to use, which are both popular ships. A lot of fed players don't like using non-starfleet ships, I know a lot of people that don't want to use the breen ship because its not starfleet. Why should we have to suffer for liking the feel of Star Trek as it was in the shows and movies when the name of the game is Star Trek Online? Kinda defeats the purpose.
THANK YOU dontdrunkimshoot
at last a real pvper who known what he talking about come to support me
thank you, even if i am not as extremist as you ( +2 degree? ) it is good to have people with real experience of the question.
i was asking myself how would that thread would have ending, with some noob trying to teach me how to build a cruiser...
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
And frankly (not to be mean or anything) if you think a Cruiser turns slow try a Klingon Carrier
And if you STILL want a faster turn rate fly an escort