I think the Klingon would know that I was dishonoring his sister, not joining his house
No he would respect you because you banged his sister and survived.
Unlike most humans, Klingons enjoy pain, it makes them a bit harder to deal with.
Klingon honor was a TNG invention to politically correct the Klingons and make their culture more similar to feudal Japan, in TOS Klingons were the Communists, so were portrayed as sneaky, cowardly, conniving back stabbers and all the other negative traits ascribed to communists in that era. Star Trek isn't about Klingons, Klingons are meant to fail as enemies and there are plenty of examples of Klingons being cowardly and dishonorable.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Poisoning grain while disguised as a human, assassinating a leader because he wasn't favoring Klingons in negotiations, oh and lets not leave out rounding up pacifist Organians by the hundreds and executing them if they didn't obey Klingon occupation forces. Yah lots of courage and honor in that.
No, Klingons were made to be the stereotype evil bad guys in the TOS era. There is no comparison between Klingons in the TOS era and Klingons later.
But then this is the 60s we're talking about and that time was really messed up, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile crisis, anti-communist paranoia, Vietnam, oh yes the evil communists, they're hiding around every corner conniving a way to steal your freedom, oh yes duck and cover, hide under your school desk to be safe from a nuclear bomb strike, stupidity on a mind boggling scale, the Cold War was just so much fun.
By the time TNG rolled around the Klingons were completely re-invented.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Considering that an entire Bird if Preys worth of Klingons were essentially singly handedly murdered by a pudgy 1980s Kirk, it suggests to me that the only thing Klingons are good at is catching phaser fire.
Remember "A Matter of Honor" (TNG S2 E8) where Riker becomes First Officer on a Klingon ship?
He fought and defeated a Klingon to earn his rank.
I do not believe that Klingons are physically superior to Humans.
One aspect is that they are usually taller and bulkier than Humans, so that gives them an advantage.
Second, they (the warriors) are well trained and very (VERY) determined.
That makes them formidable opponents. It can also be that they are more resilient to pain and injury than Humans. Their culture allows them to be versatile in a fight, more determined and also (very important) not fear death. This means that a Klingon would take more risks than his opponent.
All these things combined make the Klingons overall fierce warriors, but it is more related to their culture and way of life rather than their physical abilities.
That's just my opinion.
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Poisoning grain while disguised as a human, assassinating a leader because he wasn't favoring Klingons in negotiations,
yep Klingons are just like the CIA in bad movies
oh and lets not leave out rounding up pacifist Organians by the hundreds and executing them if they didn't obey Klingon occupation forces.
Well come on
Anyone who met the Organians wanted to do that
self righteous smug little freaks
Id have blown the planet up given the chance
Yah lots of courage and honor in that.
No, Klingons were made to be the stereotype evil bad guys in the TOS era. There is no comparison between Klingons in the TOS era and Klingons later.
They were soldiers
nothing more
But then this is the 60s we're talking about and that time was really messed up, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile crisis, anti-communist paranoia, Vietnam, oh yes the evil communists, they're hiding around every corner conniving a way to steal your freedom, oh yes duck and cover, hide under your school desk to be safe from a nuclear bomb strike, stupidity on a mind boggling scale, the Cold War was just so much fun.
Again soldiers (on both sides) doing things the regs did not allow for.
By the time TNG rolled around the Klingons were completely re-invented.
7
yes as bikers
A sad loss
Kor would have shot most of them as a waste of space
Considering that an entire Bird if Preys worth of Klingons were essentially singly handedly murdered by a pudgy 1980s Kirk, it suggests to me that the only thing Klingons are good at is catching phaser fire.
You forget getting beaten up in close combat by a pregnant woman xD
The lore states that Klingons are tough warriors with a sense of honor. Onscreen we see whimsy looser with the intellect of a chimp :rolleyes:
No, watch the episode. Sisko mentions in the episode that he lost in a wrestling match to that Vulcan, and then Cassidy states "Well, what do you expect? Vulcans have three times the strength of a human" Then when they play baseball and he says that he says Worf is either faster or stronger, he's probably talking about strength, since that's what Klingons boast about
See, you're missing the point, if Worf was tough he wouldn't get beaten up so often, his wrist broken by Troi(under possession, but it was her technique, not strength that broke it), Pwed by Roga Danar, thrown around by a Borg drone, knocked out by the admiral in conspiracy, etc. When he actually fights and gets Pwned then we can say he really isn't that good. The only fights I remember him winning were against other Klingons, in combat, when he killed Duras and Gowron
Worf was pretty much Mr Badass of the universe in hand to hand combat by the end of DS9.
You forget getting beaten up in close combat by a pregnant woman xD
The lore states that Klingons are tough warriors with a sense of honor. Onscreen we see whimsy looser with the intellect of a chimp :rolleyes:
Do you mean Saavik or Kira? If Saavik, while conception had occurred, she was hardly far enough gone to be physically incapacitated, and had her Vulcan strength advantage I think David Marcus' made a very brave (if stupid) act by trying to take on the Klingon to protect Saavik and Spock :cool:
No he would respect you because you banged his sister and survived.
Unlike most humans, Klingons enjoy pain, it makes them a bit harder to deal with.
Klingon honor was a TNG invention to politically correct the Klingons and make their culture more similar to feudal Japan, in TOS Klingons were the Communists, so were portrayed as sneaky, cowardly, conniving back stabbers and all the other negative traits ascribed to communists in that era. Star Trek isn't about Klingons, Klingons are meant to fail as enemies and there are plenty of examples of Klingons being cowardly and dishonorable.
Enjoy Pain? I don't think Worf enjoyed his second rite of ascension (the one with the pain sticks?) that much, it would be a lot easier if he was masochistic.
Enjoy Pain? I don't think Worf enjoyed his second rite of ascension (the one with the pain sticks?) that much, it would be a lot easier if he was masochistic.
Klingon sex acts use violence as an aphrodisiac. I'd say they enjoy pain a bit.
I'm pretty sure those were screams of pain, and that's why it's a test, to see if you can endure/tolerate it. There is a difference between being a TRIBBLE and actually enjoying and just grinning and bearing it while hating it at the same time
Klingons are like all the other STO bad guys and that means they basically cheat as NPCs.
Rather than face a "weak" Federation foe, they skulk around and Battle Cloak their "Bird's of Runaway" (like a little girl) at the first sign of damage.
The mighty N'eg Var might as well be called "Crafty Old Woman" as it launches waves of boarding shuttles to short circuit your systems less it has to face an Escort fairly in Battle.
Don't even get me started on the Raptor Weasels with all their Science Cheats.
To be fair, the imposingly huge Hirogen are sad enough to use PERSONAL cloaks so cowardly are they. They even cloak their grenades LOL.
Historically it was the Romulans that were supposed to be the skulking cowards, I wonder what happened to make the Klingons copy them? Next gen?
I realize it's an easy game mechanic, but it makes these enemy races sad.
Klingons are pretty tough. Worf and Martok got beat up all day erry day by JemHadar while in prison, and even Punching-Bag Worf was able to beat all of them except the boss - and the JemHadar are supposed to be the ultimate warriors, genetically designed for combat, and all that.
However, Klingons are weak to stabbing. Just poke them a little and they die. Look at what happens to Gowron, the Albino's lackies, or just some random guards. That's why Klingons still carry knives and swords. (It has to be stabbing, though; slicing doesn't work.)
Klingon sex acts use violence as an aphrodisiac. I'd say they enjoy pain a bit.
If they did, the second rite wouldn't really be much of a test would it? They'd look forward to it. Worf was not saying "Ahhh...." like he just got into a warm jacuzzi, or into an air conditioned room when it's 110 degrees outside, he was screaming.
If they did, the second rite wouldn't really be much of a test would it? They'd look forward to it. Worf was not saying "Ahhh...." like he just got into a warm jacuzzi, or into an air conditioned room when it's 110 degrees outside, he was screaming.
It's a matter of degree. Painsticks were designed to be something so excruciating that even the toughest warriors would scream.
I don't know about the Race as a whole, since you see in DS9 them getting stabbed once and die....but I know this Klingon who takes a beating and keeps on ticking
I don't know about the Race as a whole, since you see in DS9 them getting stabbed once and die....but I know this Klingon who takes a beating and keeps on ticking
I forgot just how many times Worf got his A** handed to him. Any one that gets beat on like that and keeps coming back for more is considered tough in my book.
It's a matter of degree. Painsticks were designed to be something so excruciating that even the toughest warriors would scream.
Well, you could only take so much pain before you pass out, there's a limit. And, I'm wondering maybe if it isn't pain exactly, it's just the intensity of the sensation.
I remember once we cooked Sukiyaki in high school, and it smelled SOOO good to me, perhaps TOO good, cause after smelling it for 10 minutes I started to get nauseous.
It's a matter of degree. Painsticks were designed to be something so excruciating that even the toughest warriors would scream.
O'BRIEN
"Those are Klingon painstiks. I once saw one of them used against a two-ton Rectyne monopod. Poor creature jumped five meters at the slightest touch. Finally died from excessive cephalic pressures --"
GEORDI
"(wincing at that) You don't mean... ?"
O'BRIEN
"(nodding affirmatively) That's right. The animal's head exploded just like --"
I forgot just how many times Worf got his A** handed to him. Any one that gets beat on like that and keeps coming back for more is considered tough in my book.
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Unlike most humans, Klingons enjoy pain, it makes them a bit harder to deal with.
Klingon honor was a TNG invention to politically correct the Klingons and make their culture more similar to feudal Japan, in TOS Klingons were the Communists, so were portrayed as sneaky, cowardly, conniving back stabbers and all the other negative traits ascribed to communists in that era. Star Trek isn't about Klingons, Klingons are meant to fail as enemies and there are plenty of examples of Klingons being cowardly and dishonorable.
My character Tsin'xing
they were no more sneaky or underhand than kirk
My character Tsin'xing
Sometimes in war you have to be sneaky
Example dressing as a romulan to steal tech
Pretending to be a trader
ETC
No, Klingons were made to be the stereotype evil bad guys in the TOS era. There is no comparison between Klingons in the TOS era and Klingons later.
But then this is the 60s we're talking about and that time was really messed up, the Cold War, the Cuban Missile crisis, anti-communist paranoia, Vietnam, oh yes the evil communists, they're hiding around every corner conniving a way to steal your freedom, oh yes duck and cover, hide under your school desk to be safe from a nuclear bomb strike, stupidity on a mind boggling scale, the Cold War was just so much fun.
By the time TNG rolled around the Klingons were completely re-invented.
He fought and defeated a Klingon to earn his rank.
I do not believe that Klingons are physically superior to Humans.
One aspect is that they are usually taller and bulkier than Humans, so that gives them an advantage.
Second, they (the warriors) are well trained and very (VERY) determined.
That makes them formidable opponents. It can also be that they are more resilient to pain and injury than Humans. Their culture allows them to be versatile in a fight, more determined and also (very important) not fear death. This means that a Klingon would take more risks than his opponent.
All these things combined make the Klingons overall fierce warriors, but it is more related to their culture and way of life rather than their physical abilities.
That's just my opinion.
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yep Klingons are just like the CIA in bad movies
Well come on
Anyone who met the Organians wanted to do that
self righteous smug little freaks
Id have blown the planet up given the chance
They were soldiers
nothing more
Again soldiers (on both sides) doing things the regs did not allow for.
7
yes as bikers
A sad loss
Kor would have shot most of them as a waste of space
You forget getting beaten up in close combat by a pregnant woman xD
The lore states that Klingons are tough warriors with a sense of honor. Onscreen we see whimsy looser with the intellect of a chimp :rolleyes:
Worf was pretty much Mr Badass of the universe in hand to hand combat by the end of DS9.
Do you mean Saavik or Kira? If Saavik, while conception had occurred, she was hardly far enough gone to be physically incapacitated, and had her Vulcan strength advantage
Enjoy Pain? I don't think Worf enjoyed his second rite of ascension (the one with the pain sticks?) that much, it would be a lot easier if he was masochistic.
Klingon sex acts use violence as an aphrodisiac. I'd say they enjoy pain a bit.
In the game, my Kriosian/Orion hybrid(Alien) char regularly challenges Dahar masters to Batleth duels and wins.
My character Tsin'xing
Klingons are like all the other STO bad guys and that means they basically cheat as NPCs.
Rather than face a "weak" Federation foe, they skulk around and Battle Cloak their "Bird's of Runaway" (like a little girl) at the first sign of damage.
The mighty N'eg Var might as well be called "Crafty Old Woman" as it launches waves of boarding shuttles to short circuit your systems less it has to face an Escort fairly in Battle.
Don't even get me started on the Raptor Weasels with all their Science Cheats.
To be fair, the imposingly huge Hirogen are sad enough to use PERSONAL cloaks so cowardly are they. They even cloak their grenades LOL.
Historically it was the Romulans that were supposed to be the skulking cowards, I wonder what happened to make the Klingons copy them? Next gen?
I realize it's an easy game mechanic, but it makes these enemy races sad.
However, Klingons are weak to stabbing. Just poke them a little and they die. Look at what happens to Gowron, the Albino's lackies, or just some random guards. That's why Klingons still carry knives and swords. (It has to be stabbing, though; slicing doesn't work.)
If they did, the second rite wouldn't really be much of a test would it? They'd look forward to it. Worf was not saying "Ahhh...." like he just got into a warm jacuzzi, or into an air conditioned room when it's 110 degrees outside, he was screaming.
My character Tsin'xing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXrlhN9rPoc
I forgot just how many times Worf got his A** handed to him. Any one that gets beat on like that and keeps coming back for more is considered tough in my book.
Well, you could only take so much pain before you pass out, there's a limit. And, I'm wondering maybe if it isn't pain exactly, it's just the intensity of the sensation.
I remember once we cooked Sukiyaki in high school, and it smelled SOOO good to me, perhaps TOO good, cause after smelling it for 10 minutes I started to get nauseous.
O'BRIEN
"Those are Klingon painstiks. I once saw one of them used against a two-ton Rectyne monopod. Poor creature jumped five meters at the slightest touch. Finally died from excessive cephalic pressures --"
GEORDI
"(wincing at that) You don't mean... ?"
O'BRIEN
"(nodding affirmatively) That's right. The animal's head exploded just like --"
PULASKI
"I think that's enough, Chief O'Brien."
I think there's more involved than pain.
He got his own term for it:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect