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vengefuldjinn
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Hey,
I don't PVP much, just with my fleet mates for fun.
I frequently lurk these threads for inspiration and advise on my builds.
So can I ask, how are you PVP folks equipping your Vestas?
Thanks in advance.
I don't PVP much, just with my fleet mates for fun.
I frequently lurk these threads for inspiration and advise on my builds.
So can I ask, how are you PVP folks equipping your Vestas?
Thanks in advance.
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We just break them apart.
Sorry to say, but a majority of us PVP'ers consider the Vesta to be the most overpowered ship in the entire damn game (and considering such ships as the timeships, the Jemmy bug, and others are it's competition, that's saying something).
So I hope I have backup when I say: we don't even bother using the Vesta. We destroy them instead.
I run a tactical vesta with the aux cannons. Come visit IntPvP (internationalpvp.typefrag.com:62245) TS for help on Vesta builds.
All I gotta say is, the ship is very elegant and very complicated to operate. The "Multipurpose" title to it, fits the ship's description. The consoles do preside by specific use of the ship. However, you cannot have it all. If you try to, your 38k hull will be crushed.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
but that being said I have worked out a built that uses the Graviton Pulse generator, the Quantum Field Focus console Tractor beam, and Gravity well that seems to work nicely....lets me pin someone in place for my team to blow it up....
I.R.W. Raptor's Claw
Storm Eagle Class Warbird Fleet Ha'feh
I have never trusted humans, and I never will
for the vesta, the def dish beam is a great tool. its possibly the only sci shield drain ability in the game worth trying to implement in your build. to max that out you dont want to use those aux cannons, because the beam draws on your aux power for the drain.
my advice would be that, on a tac captain or sci captain, that you think of flying your vesta like a big escort. as pax mentioned above, once a shield facing is down, a good escort pilot will chew through that hull really quick.
for an engie captain in the vesta, id say forget it......use the intrepid if you want an engie sci setup. that is if you don't have the recluse. that ship is made for being the rock in PVP.
have fun kill bad guys
its sad to see so many BAD vesta builds, with the station setup it has, you actually have to think, theres a wide variety of things you can do, but that doesn't mean you try to do everything. you focus on 1 type of tactic, and maximize that tactic like never before with the help of the varied stations. the vesta, and odesy and vets ship, have allowed for the all time worse builds ever to grace STO, but when done right they can be the most effective ships.
if your vesta isn't a spike damage, movement control boat, your proboly doing it wrong. EWP, runabouts, and your own tractor beam should make your ability to hold absolute. then your MORE then sufficient 12 turn should have no trouble using DHCs.
MME Strategic
Engineer Captain: http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/index.php?build=MMEStrat_0
RSF, MW, EPS PT, Nadion, EFleet
Traits: Accurate, Elusive, Techie, Warp Theorist
Passives
Romulan: +3% Crit, PlacOnCrit, SciBoost
Omega: Hull Repair, KineticProc
TS1, THY2
TT1
EPtS1, AtB1, RSP2
ET1, AtB1
ST1, HE2, PH3, VM3
DOFFs: 2x Tech, 2x Projectile, 1x VM Add
Deflector: AKHG
Engine: AKHG
Shield: MACO
Weapons
Fore: Hyper-Plasma Torp, Omega Plasma Torp, Plasma Torp
Aft: Kinetic Beam, 2x Plasma Torp
Consoles
Tac: 3x Ambiplasma
Eng: SIF, 2x Neut
Sci: Wave-Function, Zero-Point, Borg, Graviton
Hangar: Advanced Delta Flyers
Devices: RMC, SFM, Aux Battery
Set Bonuses
Romulan: +7.6% Plasma Dmg, +15.2 EPS
Omega: 1% Reactive Deflection
AKHG: +25% Torp Dmg, +7 Aux Pwr, +7 Crew Recover, +70% Crew Resist
So the question arises, how completely fail would this be in your opinions?
Just out of curiosity, with your recent relocation, are you dabbling in any new consoles horizon? I know it's something me and you talked about last we spoke, and if you indeed are, I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on them after having held out on using them for so long.
Should switch to mines and pick up a dispersal pattern. Your tech doffs are making your two torp abilities redundant anyhow
as long as your focus with that build is healing and pet control, here would be my small adjustments:
drop the high yield for a second spread.
drop the polarize hull for tss3.
have fun kill bad guys
actually, the vesta def beam is the only console ive really ever found to be a great part of a build.
even the jump console, which i slot here and there on my bop or defiant, i find to be at a loss....as it is a good offensive positioning tool that only comes around every 3 minutes.... i find that i can be where i need to without it, just by focusing on agility, and having omegas ready to go.
the rest, well, i still find i'd rather have a constant defensive or offensive stat bonus out there. more shields....a stronger tractor beam.....more hull defense....a bigger per/tic warp plasma.... and so on....
all of those i find to more beneficial for your ship, and your team.... than say a grav pulse, or ams. i find them just about completely useless......and well, just rather annoying.
have fun kill bad guys
ah! great point.
or maybe throw in delta 1 instead, after my advice on dropping PH3.
great thought man.
It was a situational thought in taking both THY and TS - wondering if the MEF would add DEF to the THY Plasma. I could definitely see dropping the THY for a DPB - along with dropping one of the torps for mines.
I'll think about that with some of the ships I actually have - instead of those I just think about getting down the line. Thanks.
In the original post, I said that I'd normally go Trans instead of Plasma (changing consoles, etc as necessary) - but the gist of it is a high survivability torp boat using S7 toys.
I do not have a Vesta, but it's a tempting ship - that I could see getting down the line to dork around with as a torp boat.
With it, though, I ruled out TSS pretty early (part of the reason it's an Eng captain instead of a Sci). I feel naked without APO or PH - there's no APO, so I all but feel I have to sport PH. That left the decision in the build of ST3/ST1 vs. PH3/PH1. Since the ST would mainly be for the cleanse rather than the shield heal - PH3 crept in there (with all the talk about shields down pop, pop, pop - being able to keep PH up as much as possible for both movement and hull resistance - oh well).
It's a case of trying to maximize that plasma damage, hull damage - and being annoying. Part of the reason for the Deltas over the Danubes - Tach beam, Phaser Procs, and Trans torps.
It's an attempt at an outlast build - their disabled systems, hull burning away, random placates. Yeah, an attempt at an annoying build.
but this is very selfish in my opinion.
to be an engineer captain with so many self only abilities like PH.... when a full aux tss3, either for you, or a teammate makes you way more of an asset to the team, and its better even when you want to be selfish honestly.
also, Delta offers an amazing resist. now, couple that, with the ability to throw that tss3 and delta, on yourself or a teammate....
get where im going here?
edit: also, of you want an annoying build, you need to start off with a sci captain.
nope.
speak up sir.
It's very effective, so far nobody was able to beat it in 1v1 and in most pugmades.
TT1
TT1 CRF1
EPTW1 DEM1 AUX2SIF2
EPTE1 DEM1
TSS1 Tiken1 Energy Siphon2 Energy Siphon3
Fore Weapons: 3 Polaron dual cannons (not dual heavy, but dual) mk xii accx3
Aft Weapons: 2 Polaron turret mk xii accx3, 1 polaron beam array for target subsystem
Power levels: 50-25-25-100
Sci consoles: 2 flow capacitors consoles, tachiokinetic converter, zero point romulan
Tac consoles: 4 polaron consoles
Eng consoles: a neutronium and a rcs
Doffs: 3 damage control engineer, 1 energy siphon doff, 1 nurse
Set: 2pcs Omega + Maco Shield
The survivability of this build is due to the fact that you end up with all 4 subsystems with >100 power for 46 seconds every minute, and that combined with a full aux tss and aux2sif grants a good damage resistance. Engine power is also high, allowing you to escape if heavily damaged.
With two energy siphon + doff + fully decompiled target subsystem + polaron proc, your opponent often will have 2 or 3 subsystems offline and a very low defense value, that allows you to crit a lot with your dual cannons accuracy overflow.
It's worth saying that when you crit a shot with a dual cannon, also tetryon glider and dem will crit.
Even a bug with 9 points in power insulators is harmless against you.
Try yourself and let me know
Nope, don't have them. This post though, got me very interested in the Omega one:
With the Hyper-Plasma, it's been the case of looking for the 2-set bonus without the experimental beam... haven't seen anything on the actual torp though. It could be complete garbage.
edit: Keep in mind they're both T4 - 60k Rep - that's 21 runs of both the 2000 and the 800.
Like I said, I won't run a ship without APO or PH (often having both of them). Of course, until looking at this build - I'd never have thought to take PH3. It's usually PH1 on the second Sci, TSS/HE on the primary..
It's something to think about though - ST3 (would have to get somebody else to train it) would be more "team friendly". One of the concerns with it being the Aux2Batt build though - would be the amount of Aux available (even with batteries, etc, etc). TBH, even the ST's only there for a selfish reason - as a cleanse.
But yeah, I definitely come to ship design in a more selfish manner. I live(d) in PUGland - and even there, with a preference for C&H over Arena. So there's a lot of you have to look after yourself.
Would definitely recommend that for a team - cause yeah, it's massively selfish - and I probably should have stated that when I typed it out.
As for APD - I don't fly a Vo'quv without it - but it I generally don't roll healers (it's just too painful in PUGland - the same folks that never distribute, don't use TT, etc, etc that you see while leveling the toon are the same folks you see PvPing in PUGland)...
With the Sci being more annoying than the Eng - I wouldn't argue that in the least. However, for this potential build - surviving to be annoying, to me, is important - just wouldn't get that from a Sci. Again, PUGland...not on a team...etc, etc, etc. On a team, I'd definitely roll Sci to be annoying.
Prior to the release of the Vesta, I'd been considering a Nebula. Depending on how things go with the Winter Event ship (Chel Brett, eh? Crossfaction Breen Sci? Maybe? Could be? Now that would be a fun ship to fly with a Sci to be annoying - 4 days until the event supposedly starts - will see)... but depending on how that goes, I might actually shell out for the Vesta as a Christmas present to myself. One of the reasons I've been watching for builds folks had, the discussions on it, etc - many of which have talked about the complicated nature of the ship - the oodles of fail builds and the pop, pop, pop there it goes...
I had made a comment about your advice to picking up a second spread before I realized there was a second page to the thread.
Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer: Vesta Class
(cosmetics)
Aventine Saucer, Vesta Hull, Rademaker Nacelles, and Aventine Stanchions
Vesta Material, and Vesta Pattern on the ship
now to the ship build
Forward Weapons:
1x Fleet Advanced Phaser Dual Beam Bank Mk XII [Dmg]x3 [Acc]
2x Aux Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]
Aft Weapons:
2x Fleet Advanced Phaser Beam Array Mk XII [Dmg]x3 [Acc]
1x Kinetic Cutting Beam Mk XII [Dmg]x3
M.A.C.O. Graviton Deflector Array Mk XII
M.A.C.O. Impulse Engines Mk XII
M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array Mk XII
Devices: Auxilliary Batteries, Weapons Batteries, Scorpion Fighters
Engineering Consoles: Neutronium Alloy Mk XI, Ablative Hull Armor Mk XII
Science Consoles: Assimilated Console, 2x Particle Generator Mk XII, 2x Emitter Array Mk XII,
Tactical Consoles: Graviton Pulse Generator, Subspace Jumper, Quantum Field Focus Controller
Hangar: Advanced Danube Runabouts
Bridge Officers:
CMDR Sci: Tractor Beam I, Science Team II, Energy Siphon II Viral Matrix III
LCMDR UNI(Sci): Polarize Hull I, Hazard Emitters II, Transfer Shield Strength III
LT. Tac: Tactical Team I, Cannon Rapid Fire I
LT. Eng: Emergency Power to Shields I, Reverse Shield Polarity I
ENS. UNI(Eng): Emergency Power to Shields I
Power Settings: Weapons 25, Shields 60, Engines 25, Auxilliary 90(these are the BASE settings they improve based on skills and gear and ship type)
Captain Skills:
Tac Systems: Starship Weapons Training 6, Starship Energy Weapons 8, Starship Projectile Weapons 2, Starship Maneuvers 6, Starship targeting Systems 6, Starship Energy Weapon Specialization 6
Eng Systems: Starship Hull Repair 9, Structural Integrity 9, Warp Core Efficiency 9, Starship Electro-Plasma Systems 6, Starship Impilse Thrusters 9, Starship Warp Coil Potential 9, Starship Engine Performance 6, Starship Hull Plating 6, Starship Shield Performance 6, Starship Auxilliary Performance 6
Science & Operations Systems: Starship Flow Capacitors 6, Sharship Shield Emitters 9, Starship Power Insulators 6, Starship Shield Systems 9, Starship Graviton Generators 6, Starship Particle Generators 9, Starship Sensors 9
Science Officer Ground Skills: Medic 6, Weapons Proficiency 6, PS Generator 6, Scientist 6, Probability Logistics 6, Particle Physics 6
I.R.W. Raptor's Claw
Storm Eagle Class Warbird Fleet Ha'feh
I have never trusted humans, and I never will
Tac Captain
Fore: 2x Aux DHC, 1x Transphasic Mk XII torpedo
Aft: 2x Phaser Turret Mk XII, 1x Kinetic Cutting Beam
Shield: MACO Mk XI
Deflector/Engines: Borg Mk XI
CMDR Sci: VM 3, PH 3, HE 2, TSS 1
LtCom Uni (Tac): CRF 2, HYT2, TT1
Lt Tac: CSV 1, TT 1
Lt Eng: EPtS 2, EPtS 1
Ens Uni (Sci): TB 1
Doffs: 1x VM extend, 2x EP recharge, 2x Torp recharge (likely to change when i get a better selection of available doffs)
Consoles: (Eng) 2x Neutronium, (Sci) 3x Vesta consoles, Borg, Field Generator Mk XI (Tac) 3x Phaser Relay Mk XI
Hangar: Advanced Danube Runabouts
Works simply enough. CSV when clearing pets, mines and such is necessary but otherwise get them in TB, hit 'em with VM and pop CRF2 and HYT2 and go to town. The burst damage of the two DHCs isn't *huge* but it packs a punch, and the sustained damage from the transphasic torps, the cutting beam and the Quantum Field Focus Phaser when its up is usually more than softer ships can handle. This isn't a full escort though, of course, so its best when played as supporting damage.
Couple questions: Why are you running a dual beam bank if you're not running beam overload? Considering you have a CRF wouldn't another DHC be more effective (even without CRF it would be more effective than a DBB without overload). Same point with your rear beam arrays...with CRF wouldn't it be better to use turrets?
Also, why are you using 2 particle gen consoles since you're not using any science powers that have particle damage? Is that what boosts the kinetic beam cutter? If so, is it not a waste to use up 2 console slots on a weapon that doesn't have that much damage output?
Overall, it seems to lack focus and it doesn't seem like the most efficient build. Of course, I'm a noob and am probably wrong.
@DevolvedOne
Engine: Borg
Deflector: Borg
Shield: MACO
Weapons:
Front: 3x Aux DHC
Aft: 1x Phaser beam array, 1x Tricobalt mine, 1x Chroniton mine
Boffs:
ST1, HE2, TSS3, VM3
TB1
EPtS1 RSP1
EPtS1 AtS1 Extend2
TT1 CRF1/CSV1 (mostly CSV for pve but I sometimes use it in pvp if there is too much spam)
Doffs:
1xBFI
2xCannon
2xVM
Consoles:
RCS, Neutronium
Field gen, Borg, Tachyokinetic, Fermion
4xPhaser
Pets:
Delta flyers
Why not danube? Well they would be better, but the TB spam is too annoying. I might switch to danubes again at some point, for now I am fine with deltas.
Now a few words, this build is not optimized yet. It also is not focused on doing dmg, which probably makes the tac vesta not the optimal choice.
The idea of the weapons is to run full aux all the time, which gives you some pretty nice heals. Also you have TB, VM, chroniton mines and a beam in the back for subsystem targeting to provide a bit of CC. I am also a sci captain for some more CC.
The aux DHC deal some decent dmg, the turnrate is fine and with doffs you have an ok uptime of CRF. The tric mine is more just for fun. A single mine without consoles does not do that much dmg, it mostly helps clear spam. It could be replaced with more chronitons.
Also the healing console with full aux is just insane, the cooldown is bit long though. Not sure if it worth it in the end, but I like it.
So this build provides some ok dmg, good heals (you are still no heal cruiser, but you are a good secondary healer), and some decent CC. It works well if you pug.
My stomach is clear and my mind is full of bacon!
no I have not posted the same build over 5 or 6 threads this is actually different from the build.... that I DID post over 5 or 6 threads Im just STARTING to figure out my builds for PVP and this was the result from testing... why am I using the dual beam bank forward... its for subsystem targeting on the way in on my initial run when the team leader calls a target I am SURE that the build can be improved hence I posted it here.... and yes while I do spend a great deal of time playing the PVE content (mostly ESTFs and Dailies) Im still working on making my PVP build better give me a break everyone has to start somewhere and this is where I started...
but after looking at the build and sorting out the why's in the 2 questions I was given, while I am reluctant to give up the Dual beam bank forward (being able to target a subsystem while I am bow on is still a nice thing) I have gone back and respecced into subspace decompiler for the Viral matrix, will be dropping 1 Particle generator for a Graviton Generator... but Im still missing something... sp please feel free to offer "constructive" criticism... Im not new to PVP but now Im just really putting an effort into getting better at it...
oh and Hyprodimus.... EVERYONE started from PVE world trying to sort this out so do me a favor and give me the benifit of the doubt that I really AM trying to get better instead of "He's From PVE land"
I.R.W. Raptor's Claw
Storm Eagle Class Warbird Fleet Ha'feh
I have never trusted humans, and I never will
all in all its an improvement... still needs tweaking I think but at least its getting there
I.R.W. Raptor's Claw
Storm Eagle Class Warbird Fleet Ha'feh
I have never trusted humans, and I never will
My bad the build is different, and I apologize. I was being a PvP elitist douche. I shouldnt say anything unless its constructive. Its just that when you post every detail of your ship aesthetic, colour coded all equipment and listed your spec, plus your reputation with the other threads, I assumed it was the same. But clearly you stated "this morning".
Skurf nailed it. Your build isnt focused. Nothing is optimized. You have DDB but no BO? If you want subsystem targeting put a single BA at the back, your turn is sufficient and the arc reaches past your side. If you have multiple BA at the back, are you trying to beam boat like a cruiser? Play to the Vesta's strengths. Its got decent turn and can equip DHC. Then use turrets and CRF.
You have a single siphon? That could be better spent as a heal or CC.
You have too many P2W consoles. I dont think you need sub jump, your turn rate is good enough. Grav pulse is just rude and will make people pull out their siphons and theta.
You have no damage boosting consoles and you have no field generators. I dont have the new borg set, but as it it, you are using 2 particle generators, one assimilated console and a weapon slot just for the combo. You are giving up so much.
You could try
Ablative (RCS if you still cant turn), Neutronium
Field Gen x 2, QFF, Emitter Array
Phaser x 4
If you want advice on weapons, go with Accuracy mods.
I've been thinking of dropping one of the turrets for a beam array for subsystem targetting, and possibly the other turret for a mine (chroniton most likely). Is this a good idea, and if so how should I alter my Boffs to affect this (I'm assuming dropping CSV 1 for DPB 1)?
nor do i understand NOT using the innate sub system targeting on sci ships....i did real that up there didnt I? i mean, hell, 1 rear array gets that done just fine. why not run it....?
i just see this thing as a big slightly underpowered escort. well, the tac version anyway...and why you would run any of the other versions is way beyond me. this game is so damn defensive as it is.
ah well, maybe i'll get back in mine for a bit.... do some testing again.
have fun kill bad guys
I've wondered that - in the builds I've seen here and there. Not you personally, mind you - but that thought process - the way it's viewed.
The folks trying to build a Sciscort... and then the folks trying to build a more Tac-like RSV instead.