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How to counter a Defiant w/ DEM3+CRF3?

skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
edited November 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Hey guys, came across a guy in a Defiant running DEM3 and CRF3 in the arena last night. I was in my sci/sci timeship so my hull was not very strong to begin with and every time he attacked my hull instantly dropped below 50% while my shields were still above 75% with no facings down. If I stayed and try to fight I would not last more than a few seconds even with 2 hull heals so I had to keep running away. I hate having to run, but there was no other option if I wanted to survive, especially considering this was a partial premade of the same fleet and even the cruisers were running single cannons with DEM3 and CRF3. Any suggestions?
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    naldorannaldoran Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Call him an unsportsmanlike exploiter and warp out. It's what I'd do; not going to waste my time playing against people abusing the Voldemort glitch like that.
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    skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    But it's not an exploit, and he could report me for calling him names.
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    houseofcritzhouseofcritz Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    skurf wrote: »
    But it's not an exploit, and he could report me for calling him names.

    Well if your in a SCI/SCI just bug him until he leaves you alone... 32 sec SSs,/Vm1... VM3/Vm1 plus the VM doffs, nuk him everytime Dem 3 is up..
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    criminiuscriminius Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    skurf wrote: »
    But it's not an exploit, and he could report me for calling him names.

    Wow. I am loss for better words after reading borts post.
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    phantomeightphantomeight Member Posts: 567 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2012
    skurf wrote: »
    But it's not an exploit, and he could report me for calling him names.

    So what... you are all late to the party... this is like 3 weeks old and it was publicly acknowledged. If you kept up on the game, you would know about it. Also, it will be fixed so we all just have to deal with it till the fix comes out. You can be upset or you could go load up on a bunch of sci and tac buffs and get him back. They already said it's open season... Some people.. ahem... throw Gravity wells with CSVIII like candy in pve.....
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    webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This build I made for my Tac/Orb could eaisly work with a Sci/Orb..

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=465551

    And I'm sure it'll annoy the heck out of Escorts like that. :D
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    stevehalestevehale Member Posts: 437
    edited November 2012
    I suppose that since /logout still works in combat you could always run with that. One good turn deserves another.
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    phantomeightphantomeight Member Posts: 567 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2012
    And to clarify, only load up and get said person back and then not use the powers. Not condoning going crazy here
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    redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well, both are dependent on weapon power, so you could start there, but Imma just put this out there, don't laugh...Aceton Beam. Yeah I said it. I'm not sure yet but I might become an advocate for AB. I've been using all kinds of TRIBBLE I normally wouldn't with all these handy extra boff slots and I've noticed that it might be less terrible than reported in certain circumstances.

    Of course, I can't test it with a helpful partner in a private match right now, gg Cryptic.
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    webdeath wrote: »
    This build I made for my Tac/Orb could eaisly work with a Sci/Orb..

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=465551

    And I'm sure it'll annoy the heck out of Escorts like that. :D

    I could have had an exploit build on my Peg'Hu destroyer but it seems if you discharge your shuttles it removes this bug becuase I am no longer troubled with extra powers.

    Still had I not stumbled on the fix, I would have been using a DDIS 2xATB1 build with an extra TSS3, HE2 , GW3 and HE1 I believe.

    I would be cycling TSS2, TSS3, HE2, and HE1 at the same time and using EWP1 and GW3.
    Thats too nasty on such a build and is highly unfair.

    Still free riegn has been given , so if I could I would definately enjoy it.
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    snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Simple.

    Let the big fleets know who he is so he can get the living **** kicked out of him.

    The only way to keep STO PvP exploit free is to punish those who abuse the hell out of that TRIBBLE. Make a list and punish the offenders. We all know how to make annoying as hell builds that even voldie can't deal with.
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    pveheropvehero Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    skurf wrote: »
    Hey guys, came across a guy in a Defiant running DEM3 and CRF3 in the arena last night. I was in my sci/sci timeship so my hull was not very strong to begin with and every time he attacked my hull instantly dropped below 50% while my shields were still above 75% with no facings down. If I stayed and try to fight I would not last more than a few seconds even with 2 hull heals so I had to keep running away. I hate having to run, but there was no other option if I wanted to survive, especially considering this was a partial premade of the same fleet and even the cruisers were running single cannons with DEM3 and CRF3. Any suggestions?

    Easy, you just hit APD3 and FBP3! ;)
    snoge00f wrote: »
    Simple.

    Let the big fleets know who he is so he can get the living **** kicked out of him.

    The only way to keep STO PvP exploit free is to punish those who abuse the hell out of that TRIBBLE. Make a list and punish the offenders. We all know how to make annoying as hell builds that even voldie can't deal with.
    woah... this solition is just so... Trek. :D
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    thishorizonthishorizon Member Posts: 1,158
    edited November 2012
    pve until its fixed.

    have fun, kill non-thinking targets
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    shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    http://i.imgur.com/18I2h.jpg

    I love this picture (I'm Weyoun 6) because it proves that if even a terrible hack amateur like me who spends most of his time drinking green tea and translating doujin can overcome players using exploits, genuinely skilled pilots will still completely stomp due to their sheer ingenuity and years of experience.

    For reference, most of their team were running things like a Viral Matrix Defiant and stuff, and in the end it didn't help them do squat.
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    redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    thishorizon wrote: »
    have fun, kill non-thinking targets

    *cries*...
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    wolfpack12cwolfpack12c Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Pop a scattering Field and your sci team because shields are still up it will lower the damage have a polarize hull. And for giggles pop an aux battery and use feedback pulse 3 lol and pop goes the defient
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    pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited November 2012
    The [PewPew Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XVI [ACC]x6 [BUG]x3] should do the trick.

    Really though, I think this might actually be fixed on Tribble. I've heard a few reports from others, but can anyone here confirm?

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
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    upyournacelles2upyournacelles2 Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Horizons sig is gone...

    That is lame...
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    pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited November 2012
    upyournacelles2 wrote: »
    Horizons sig is gone...

    That is lame...

    I have no idea why. He still has the ability to change it :) Maybe he'll post and let us know?

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
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    darkenzedddarkenzedd Member Posts: 881
    edited November 2012
    skurf wrote: »
    But it's not an exploit, and he could report me for calling him names.

    Wow, not quite sure how to respond to that little post from ye olde Jman :eek:
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    upyournacelles2upyournacelles2 Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    I have no idea why. He still has the ability to change it :) Maybe he'll post and let us know?

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    I feel you are trolling me sir.
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    upyournacelles2upyournacelles2 Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Despite us making your job tough bran, I just want you to know that I enjoyed the nights we shared pew'ing with the pandas. You're are pretty good pew'er. I'm sure you feel the same pains we do, but your hands are tied to do or say much about it. Biting the hand that feeds you and all...
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    overlapooverlapo Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    The [PewPew Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XVI [ACC]x6 [BUG]x3] should do the trick.

    Really though, I think this might actually be fixed on Tribble. I've heard a few reports from others, but can anyone here confirm?

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    I just logged into my tribble character and was forced to reassign all of my Bridge officers due to their powers missing from their tray. After that was done I checked the powers available and the "Voldemort" bug is gone.
    The other bugs related to small craft, such as the character selection screen showing the shuttle and renaming the shuttle changes the decal on your ship are still there however.
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    pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited November 2012
    upyournacelles2 wrote: »
    I feel you are trolling me sir.

    No, I'm really not :)
    upyournacelles2 wrote: »
    Despite us making your job tough bran, I just want you to know that I enjoyed the nights we shared pew'ing with the pandas. You're are pretty good pew'er.

    I really enjoy those too, and I appreciate the compliment. You all were great mentors. When the queues come back up, I'll be back in for some pew pew.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
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    pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited November 2012
    overlapo wrote: »
    I just logged into my tribble character and was forced to reassign all of my Bridge officers due to their powers missing from their tray. After that was done I checked the powers available and the "Voldemort" bug is gone.
    The other bugs related to small craft, such as the character selection screen showing the shuttle and renaming the shuttle changes the decal on your ship are still there however.

    Ah, okay. I was just able to get in-game on Tribble to check that too (was posting from my phone) -- looks like that's the case. I believe the other bugs related to small crafts should have a fix in soon.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
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    antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    criminius wrote: »
    Wow. I am loss for better words after reading borts post.

    I know right we are all supposed to have dev ESP...

    Cause if I find odd synergies I have 2 options run the hell out of it... or bug report it if I feel its not right...

    "I know the line is fuzzy... " Snipped oh does he now. lmao

    I guess we are all supposed to make a guess cause if the devs Coded it in by accident I guess its OK... if they just had no idea it could work like that it would be an exploit...

    Meaning 90% of the legit stuff we like to do in game is likely an exploit...

    But the Voldy TRIBBLE... is fuzzy... and "...wouldn't technically be an exploit."

    I swear they are the worst bunch of devs ever to design a half decent game. :)

    How many MMOs have they played in general as a group is my question... in what world would any dev not consider this exploiting ? I am not sure what English to Dev rosetta stone these guys need... man its just comical already. lol
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    orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    skurf wrote: »
    Hey guys, came across a guy in a Defiant running DEM3 and CRF3 in the arena last night.

    Yeah these exploiters are becoming rather prevalent at the moment.

    To be honest I don't see the point in it. I play PvP for the challenge, brain work and test of skill... What's the point in cheating?

    What's hilarious is when in 1v1 you still manage to blow up the exploiters.
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