I'm pretty sure most KDF players will ragequit if the feds ever get the battlecloak. It's not some "I WIN!"-Button as some feds seem to believe it is (in many cases it is more of a death sentence for the user ...), but the last unique ability the KDF has. What's the point in having two factions when they are basically direct copies of each other?
I'm pretty sure most KDF players will ragequit if the feds ever get the battlecloak. It's not some "I WIN!"-Button as some feds seem to believe it is (in many cases it is more of a death sentence for the user ...), but the last unique ability the KDF has. What's the point in having two factions when they are basically direct copies of each other?
What about the federation, I think dreadnought or w/e, on the c-store that has a cloak?
Also the new omega active ability has a cloak and some other ship I don't care about I forgot the name of that makes invulnerable for a period?
And ps. the "yeah give us no clipping" was obviously a joke, that's the last thing they would or should do, IF this ever came into play
Hiliarious, every unique ability the KDF has the last unique ability, despite their being a dozen or so.
Anyway, its a terrible idea
Secondly, the game is almost guaranteed to not be able to handle this without new tech. There are far too many bugged and guaranteed hit abilities out there to make this simply not work. Implementing it will be result in a billion threads of fix my broken phased battlecloak ability.
No phased battlecloak. No regular battlecloak. No cloak at all. An Andorian ship would be an Imperial Guard ship, not Starfleet, and I see no reason why they'd have technology that Starfleet itself rarely or never uses.
Unless the THA has more clout with the Guard than I thought, and they're building up for that secession they've been dreaming of for a quarter millennium now. They might actually be in league with the Klingons and get cloaking devices that way, but they sure as hell wouldn't tell the Federation about it. And while that may be an interesting idea, to release one version of the ship(s) to the UFP, with some Starfleet modifications (console) and another to the KDF, where it's fitted with a battlecloak, stolen by secessionist Andorians supported covertly by Klingon Intelligence, who may then either have reproduced the ship, or arranged for some 'natural causes' to befall the Andorian crew, explaining how it ended up in KDF player hands, I just don't know... The THA never seemed quite that effective to me. We're 248 years down the road and Andoria is still part of the Federation.
And I'd by far prefer the Klingons get their own ships, as I expect the Klingon players themselves do as well. Some Ferasan raptor or something. One Lethean ship. And a bunch more KDF ones. Fed's now got the Steamrunner, the Ambassador's on the horizon, and once we've got that one, we're pretty much at full saturation, I think. What's next? The Shelley? There's not that many left.
1)The Phased cloak is just a gimmick really that would lead to lots of sales - really they must be running out of good ones - and this is really one where most Fed players(casual specifically) would jump at.
2) I am a KDF/Fed player and I know full well how usefull the cloak is in PvE - but that does not matter - you use a gimmicky thing just because - not for a major strategic reason - after the first few weeks almost everyone who bought one wont use it - same with the defiant retrofit.
3)Mr Stahl has said he plans season 8 to be a "resolution" to the KDF story arc - well that involves deception from the Undine to start the War with the Fed + plus you have some Romulan deception in there as well.
So the Resolution that I think is 100% coming : Ending the Fed/KDF war - which means no more fighting.
Frankly they could come out with a New release that said they were stripping PvP from the game and adding a quarterly Feature episode series - rotating between FED/KDF/ROM and the response would be from 90% of players:
PvP - what?
Feature episodes every quarter for all factions Yeah Hooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG that's so Freaking amazing!! This is the Best New release EVER!!
What was that first part about - pv - can't remember - rotating Featured episode - Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
Stahl keeps dropping hints of a "resolution" to the KDF storyline - add in the mutally working together with the Feds against the Borg and now New Romulus = he has 1 plan in mind the end to the War in season 8 - which the KDF story line was about the deception and start of the war - the resolution would be the end of the war.
So it's over in a few months - Feds can have their toy cloaks and it won't matter balance wise.
You sir have a very interesting way of interpreting the stuff Stahl saez.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: The next season is not focused on end game like SEason 7 was - it is focused on story telling and getting older players to come back to the game"
This just sets it up.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Denise Crosby is the one we are working with right now - we'll see if we can make that happen - she is the one we want 1st because of what Sela is going to do Smile"
Could be alluding to something.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: There is a reason why Khitomer is in the Tau Dewa Sector and not turned on yet - when it opens it will help explain why the KDF are on New Rom"
I think this is what he was alluding to.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Going back to PvP and Faction balance - one of the design ideas on the table to balance the factions is to allow players of either faction to align themselves with the other for the purpose of PvP"
And that is how Feds will get more ship with cloaks on their PvP teams. KDF players flying KDF ships along side Feds in mixed FKvFK teams.
There could be a peace coming once the KDF figures out Sela did something on Khitomer and Romulus. But all this is only speculation based on Stuff Stahl Saez.
Oh and for the record Stahl says a lot of stuff that still has not come to fruition and is doubtful it ever will.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE First OFficer into playable captain - will be Season 9 or later"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: Liberated Borg - probably not until they become a playable faction (which may still happen someday)"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: KDF - yes it is a tough issue - it is one of my personal goals to get the KDF more unique content - it will happen"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: @Khalil - the KDF may get some love in S8 - but we'll have to wait and see when we get closer."
Oh and do not get me started about what he had to say concerning the way PvP has been ignored for over three years now. From the first KDF forum fires till now I have learned to take the Stuff Stahl Seaz with far more than a liberal grain of salt.
When Stahl says something could or will happen in such a casual environ like Red Alert chat, I have learned to wait and keep speculation to a minimum. He has these wonderful idea generating sessions and if you are lucky you'll be there for them. These sessions are NOTHING more than directions the Dev team wants to move and NOTHING is set in stone.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
1)The Phased cloak is just a gimmick really that would lead to lots of sales - really they must be running out of good ones - and this is really one where most Fed players(casual specifically) would jump at.
2) I am a KDF/Fed player and I know full well how usefull the cloak is in PvE - but that does not matter - you use a gimmicky thing just because - not for a major strategic reason - after the first few weeks almost everyone who bought one wont use it - same with the defiant retrofit.
3)Mr Stahl has said he plans season 8 to be a "resolution" to the KDF story arc - well that involves deception from the Undine to start the War with the Fed + plus you have some Romulan deception in there as well.
So the Resolution that I think is 100% coming : Ending the Fed/KDF war - which means no more fighting.
Frankly they could come out with a news release that said they were stripping PvP from the game and adding a quarterly Feature episode series - rotating between FED/KDF/ROM and the response would be from 90% of players:
PvP - what?
Feature episodes every quarter for all factions Yeah Hooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG that's so Freaking amazing!! This is the Best news release EVER!!
What was that first part about - pv - can't remember - rotating Featured episode - Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
Oh you went there.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: PvP - is a tough issue for STO obviously - we have put a lot of effort across all of Cryptic to make PvP work better in our engine."
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: PvP so there is actually a ton of PvP work going on behind the scenes, but none of it is ready for STO yet - Gozer was working on some maps for testing and Chris took over after that"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: PvP so for now we are meeting with the Neverwinter team which actually has a significant staff working on PvP and looking to see what we can port over to fix our systems"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: :RE PvP - my best guess is that PvP will see a revamp worth talking about in 2013 - I just don't have a specific time frame yet and don't want to keep stabbing at it"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: How Neverwinter PvP helps - when you have a huge team working in the same engine making PvP awesome - we learn a lot and can use their knowledge and port their code and balance ideas"
PvP? Not going away. Consider where PWE is based from. Consider how games from that area of the world rely in PvP for the majority of endgame content. Given who Cryptic is in bed with and that bed partner wants to open STO to the Asian market, yeah at some point STO will have to deal with PvP.
Edited to edit your use of the word "New" in place of the word "news." As in, "What's the news, man?" or, "Tonight on the CBS Evening News." See? Used as a noun and a proper noun.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
2) I am a KDF/Fed player and I know full well how usefull the cloak is in PvE - but that does not matter - you use a gimmicky thing just because - not for a major strategic reason - after the first few weeks almost everyone who bought one wont use it - same with the defiant retrofit.
I have the defiant retrofit and use it to cloak for the first few seconds and then onto the mission; which requires me to de-cloak to do damage and heals (team + self)
On my KDF toon I have cloak as well ... but honest it is just a bit of a laugh and as I am more focused on PvE / missions (not PvP) it is not useful to me.
Heheh, well saying "it's one of my personal goals" could also be saying not only am I the only who is not totally indifferent about kdf - it's also just 1 item on a huge list;
he is not really promising anything or really saying anything concrete.
You sir have a very interesting way of interpreting the stuff Stahl saez.
The time for the War's end has come - Season 8 or sooner will be that time.
PvP is a walking dead - It has been left to walk around dead for a long time - I see nothing ever to suggest they are seriously considering doing anything with it - so they can put it down without much fuss - especially if they slide the announcement in with something everyone would like - such as a rotating quarterly Feature Episode series - say start with a KDF then Rom then Fed
And they love sliding in "oh by the way we are removing "(insert whatever)" in the next patch
So yeah put PvP down and give use some story content!
The time for the War's end has come - Season 8 or sooner will be that time.
PvP is a walking dead - It has been left to walk around dead for a long time - I see nothing ever to suggest they are seriously considering doing anything with it - so they can put it down without much fuss - especially if they slide the announcement in with something everyone would like - such as a rotating quarterly Feature Episode series - say start with a KDF then Rom then Fed
And they love sliding in "oh by the way we are removing "(insert whatever)" in the next patch
So yeah put PvP down and give use some story content!
Um, please read post #39 with direct quotes from Stahl concerning PvP.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
Battle Cloak? Sure, if it's given the same disadvantages as the BoP, without the full crew of universal boffs. Phased cloak? Pointless in this game, it would give no advantages but has plenty of drawbacks.
What would be the point of a phase cloak in this game???? the point of traveling through stuff for what purpose?? I see no reason for a phase cloak. When I use my cloak in this game not once have I said man if only I could just go through them instead of slightly around them.
So they could use it as a get out of jail free card any time things get rough...and wouldn't be able to uncloak them unless some special technique was created.
Feds just keep getting handed more and more rediculous things each new ship...and there are people who will just keep asking for more.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
See, I like to support my talking points. I think it lends credibility to the carp my fingers type by leaning on a far more credible source.
You should try it.
Yes I shall address the issue of PvP and the KDF with your own words:
Oh and for the record Stahl says a lot of stuff that still has not come to fruition and is doubtful it ever will.
And for the rest of you naysayers - it's a "gimmick" - a gimmicky thing that will have very little use - but generate lots of sales - that's what good gimmicks do - Apple adds a new Gimmick to their existing stuff every few months and people run out and line up to get it - not that they need it or that it will provide much extra use - it's just a gimmick to drive sales - and it works very very very well!
I am still trying to figure the reasoning WHY this needs to be in game. Oh sure there's reasons why the OP wants it, but not truly why it should be in the game.
Here's a reason why it won't happen most likely:
This game has been going for two and a half years, and the Federation has only two ships with even a basic cloak: The Defiant-R, and the Gal-X. That is it. I really doubt, regardless of anything else, the Cryptic would change that policy now.
If you really want a Phased Cloak at all, ok then, put it on the Oberth-class, that's the class the Pegasus was, and let it ONLY work on the Oberth (not at VA level though).
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I am still trying to figure the reasoning WHY this needs to be in game. Oh sure there's reasons why the OP wants it, but not truly why it should be in the game.
Here's a reason why it won't happen most likely:
This game has been going for two and a half years, and the Federation has only two ships with even a basic cloak: The Defiant-R, and the Gal-X. That is it. I really doubt, regardless of anything else, the Cryptic would change that policy now.
If you really want a Phased Cloak at all, ok then, put it on the Oberth-class, that's the class the Pegasus was, and let it ONLY work on the Oberth (not at VA level though).
See my last post about gimmicky things - and not just me but 10,000's of Fed players would want it to - it's a good gimmick - that's reason enough to put in in-game. I just bought the B'rel - the enhanced battle clock is more of a gimmick then practical use because you have to be sooooo careful in your timing and position and weapon load and and and - but it's a good fun gimmick. I wish they would add a 10 console Fleet B'Rel now that I could get with just 1 module - well I can dream of that and Andorian Battle Cloak ship right?
See my last post about gimmicky things - and not just me but 10,000's of Fed players would want it to - it's a good gimmick - that's reason enough to put in in-game. I just bought the B'rel - the enhanced battle clock is more of a gimmick then practical use because you have to be sooooo careful in your timing and position and weapon load and and and - but it's a good fun gimmick. I wish they would add a 10 console Fleet B'Rel now that I could get with just 1 module - well I can dream of that and Andorian Battle Cloak ship right?
Its not a gimmick...you just want and I cant lose button...
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
See my last post about gimmicky things - and not just me but 10,000's of Fed players would want it to - it's a good gimmick - that's reason enough to put in in-game. I just bought the B'rel - the enhanced battle clock is more of a gimmick then practical use because you have to be sooooo careful in your timing and position and weapon load and and and - but it's a good fun gimmick. I wish they would add a 10 console Fleet B'Rel now that I could get with just 1 module - well I can dream of that and Andorian Battle Cloak ship right?
Besides it being a gimmick, you have not shown in any form why it should be in the game....why should someone spend money on it if it's completely useless. The b'rel has more use than being able to ghost my way around ESD.
I want a PVE reason why I would waste my money (or time)on it. Besides it being a battle cloak...this tread is more about the battle cloak than able to phase so let's just talk about the battle cloak.
And for the rest of you naysayers - it's a "gimmick" - a gimmicky thing that will have very little use - but generate lots of sales - that's what good gimmicks do - Apple adds a new Gimmick to their existing stuff every few months and people run out and line up to get it - not that they need it or that it will provide much extra use - it's just a gimmick to drive sales - and it works very very very well!
Nice quote mine.
Between external pressure from a Chinese company and the statements of Stahl I think it's safe to say that at some point PvP will get it's love at some point.
Besides many PvPers drop real money with all their testing and respecing of their builds.
PvP may not have the biggest player base but they tend to spend a good amount of real life monies.
That would be a little hard to ignore forever or simply write off in favor of PvE featured missions that players tend to only play once a toon. I would have to dig in some archived posts but Stahl did point out that metric about mission replayability in the days leading up to F2P.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
Besides it being a gimmick, you have not shown in any form why it should be in the game....why should someone spend money on it if it's completely useless. The b'rel has more use than being able to ghost my way around ESD.
I want a PVE reason why I would waste my money (or time)on it. Besides it being a battle cloak...this tread is more about the battle cloak than able to phase so let's just talk about the battle cloak.
Ok - how about in any PvE when a HY torp or that energy thing from the Borg is coming at you and you hit the phased cloak and it passes right by? Or under any heavy fire and you cloak and it passes right through.
More than once I have been in a Bop in and Elite STF and been near the gate or a cube or any borg and hit the cloak only to get an instant 1 shot boom - "TRIBBLE -f*** S*** - why did I cloak!!"
No phased battlecloak. No regular battlecloak. No cloak at all. An Andorian ship would be an Imperial Guard ship, not Starfleet, and I see no reason why they'd have technology that Starfleet itself rarely or never uses.
Unless the THA has more clout with the Guard than I thought, and they're building up for that secession they've been dreaming of for a quarter millennium now. They might actually be in league with the Klingons and get cloaking devices that way, but they sure as hell wouldn't tell the Federation about it. And while that may be an interesting idea, to release one version of the ship(s) to the UFP, with some Starfleet modifications (console) and another to the KDF, where it's fitted with a battlecloak, stolen by secessionist Andorians supported covertly by Klingon Intelligence, who may then either have reproduced the ship, or arranged for some 'natural causes' to befall the Andorian crew, explaining how it ended up in KDF player hands, I just don't know... The THA never seemed quite that effective to me. We're 248 years down the road and Andoria is still part of the Federation.
^Finally, someone who knows a little about Andorians.
I am a big fan of the Andorians and I would be very upset with them having a cloaking device in one of their ships. It's not cannon and would diminish their role as a founder of the UFP to break the Treaty of Algeron so flagrantly. Just make it a ship worthy of the Imperial Guard. Give it some serious firepower and a fair amount of hull.
If you are looking for a gimmick for it, maybe a console that increases critical chance as the hull % goes down. Andorians are a people of passion, so it would make sense for them to throw everything they have at it when the chips are down.
I'm not reading six pages of poo-flinging to find out, so forgive me if someone has already proposed this, but what if this "Phased Battle Cloak" were a single-use, consumable device? Make it one of those ridiculously convoluted DOFF missions that generate a device that ends up on the exchange for 50-80k EC, as it is with the Jevonite hardpoints.
Would some Klingons still snivel? Yes. But this brings it closer to the canon Fed phase cloak. You use it once, it burns out, so you have to build another one.
Ok - how about in any PvE when a HY torp or that energy thing from the Borg is coming at you and you hit the phased cloak and it passes right by? Or under any heavy fire and you cloak and it passes right through.
More than once I have been in a Bop in and Elite STF and been near the gate or a cube or any borg and hit the cloak only to get an instant 1 shot boom - "TRIBBLE -f*** S*** - why did I cloak!!"
That exists already in game, just for KDF side...so you really don't need the cloak part of it, just like the KDF version.
Now is the most logical time to start implimenting the Phased battle Cloak.
Fed is at war with the KDF - so we can forget their complaints.
Fed is helping to re-build the romulans - they could hardly be in much of a position to object, especially if The Fed signed a mutual protection pact or something alone those lines. Guarenteeing supplies, materials, components, military aid. Romulans most likely looking at it with just a short-term play along until they get re-built and back up to full strength.
Read the games backstory. The UFP swore off using, researching and further implementing cloak technology.
I do find the "hate the War because it makes no sense" complaints fall to the wayside and the War becomes the reason the Feds need a battle cloak completely funny.
Make up your minds. Are we at war or not?
If we are and the technological flood gates are about to burst its only fair we get some nice fed tech, like say Ablative?
Read the games backstory. The UFP swore off using, researching and further implementing cloak technology.
I do find the "hate the War because it makes no sense" complaints fall to the wayside and the War becomes the reason the Feds need a battle cloak completely funny.
Make up your minds. Are we at war or not?
If we are and the technological flood gates are about to burst its only fair we get some nice fed tech, like say Ablative?
Hey I am for swaping all tech between factions - the idea that one power has some tech that can't be stolen - bribed - or aquired from Feregi is silly - and does not even follow canon or RL - US and China are now stealing each others tech - mostly China stealing it from US and others - Russia/US were - still - stealing each others tech - the Idea that one side has something for more that a few years exclusivly is just plan stupid and not logical.
I am sure there is an episode where someone is stealing tech - and I know that Janeway bought/stole Klingon tech in the final episode - let's not even get into temporal issues because that whole episode would desolve into mush pretty quickly!
Just do away with the war then - and we can open up all the Q's for multi-faction - no more fighting except PvE - would certainly help out with KDF wait time - you could watch a few episode of TNG while waiting
Hey I am for swaping all tech between factions - the idea that one power has some tech that can't be stolen - bribed - or aquired from Feregi is silly - and does not even follow canon or RL - US and China are now stealing each others tech - mostly China stealing it from US and others - Russia/US were - still - stealing each others tech - the Idea that one side has something for more that a few years exclusivly is just plan stupid and not logical.
I am sure there is an episode where someone is stealing tech - and I know that Janeway bought/stole Klingon tech in the final episode - let's not even get into temporal issues because that whole episode would desolve into mush pretty quickly!
Just do away with the war then - and we can open up all the Q's for multi-faction - no more fighting except PvE - would certainly help out with KDF wait time - you could watch a few episode of TNG while waiting
For the record STO mirrors Star Trek far more than it mirrors real life. For example from TOS to Voyager, with the exception of less than a handful of times, (once in TOS, once against the rules in TNG and for a bit on the Defiant), cloaking tech was taboo for Feds to use. Then again in every one of those occasions it was still taboo they just ignored or skirted the rules for a time.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
Ok - how about in any PvE when a HY torp or that energy thing from the Borg is coming at you and you hit the phased cloak and it passes right by? Or under any heavy fire and you cloak and it passes right through.
More than once I have been in a Bop in and Elite STF and been near the gate or a cube or any borg and hit the cloak only to get an instant 1 shot boom - "TRIBBLE -f*** S*** - why did I cloak!!"
Exactly like I said, it would be and you want a I can't loose button. As long as you know what your doing...you could escape death any time any where. Where is balance in that...tell me? Even ignoring pvp that power would be insane.
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^Finally, someone who knows a little about Andorians.
I am a big fan of the Andorians and I would be very upset with them having a cloaking device in one of their ships. It's not cannon and would diminish their role as a founder of the UFP to break the Treaty of Algeron so flagrantly. Just make it a ship worthy of the Imperial Guard. Give it some serious firepower and a fair amount of hull.
If you are looking for a gimmick for it, maybe a console that increases critical chance as the hull % goes down. Andorians are a people of passion, so it would make sense for them to throw everything they have at it when the chips are down.
Glad I reread this because this is a good Andorian idea. One of the things I like about Andorians is they would rather slash a knife across your chest than plunge it in your back. It's not just about justice or vengeance with them but the challenge and the struggle that go with justice and vengeance as well. This idea would underscore that well.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
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I'm pretty sure most KDF players will ragequit if the feds ever get the battlecloak. It's not some "I WIN!"-Button as some feds seem to believe it is (in many cases it is more of a death sentence for the user ...), but the last unique ability the KDF has. What's the point in having two factions when they are basically direct copies of each other?
We had these discussions at launch, and now that the Game is F2P, we are having them again.
It's not really anyones fault... The new players could'n know, but those topics have already been discussed to death... really...
What about the federation, I think dreadnought or w/e, on the c-store that has a cloak?
Also the new omega active ability has a cloak and some other ship I don't care about I forgot the name of that makes invulnerable for a period?
And ps. the "yeah give us no clipping" was obviously a joke, that's the last thing they would or should do, IF this ever came into play
Anyway, its a terrible idea
Secondly, the game is almost guaranteed to not be able to handle this without new tech. There are far too many bugged and guaranteed hit abilities out there to make this simply not work. Implementing it will be result in a billion threads of fix my broken phased battlecloak ability.
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Unless the THA has more clout with the Guard than I thought, and they're building up for that secession they've been dreaming of for a quarter millennium now. They might actually be in league with the Klingons and get cloaking devices that way, but they sure as hell wouldn't tell the Federation about it. And while that may be an interesting idea, to release one version of the ship(s) to the UFP, with some Starfleet modifications (console) and another to the KDF, where it's fitted with a battlecloak, stolen by secessionist Andorians supported covertly by Klingon Intelligence, who may then either have reproduced the ship, or arranged for some 'natural causes' to befall the Andorian crew, explaining how it ended up in KDF player hands, I just don't know... The THA never seemed quite that effective to me. We're 248 years down the road and Andoria is still part of the Federation.
And I'd by far prefer the Klingons get their own ships, as I expect the Klingon players themselves do as well. Some Ferasan raptor or something. One Lethean ship. And a bunch more KDF ones. Fed's now got the Steamrunner, the Ambassador's on the horizon, and once we've got that one, we're pretty much at full saturation, I think. What's next? The Shelley? There's not that many left.
1)The Phased cloak is just a gimmick really that would lead to lots of sales - really they must be running out of good ones - and this is really one where most Fed players(casual specifically) would jump at.
2) I am a KDF/Fed player and I know full well how usefull the cloak is in PvE - but that does not matter - you use a gimmicky thing just because - not for a major strategic reason - after the first few weeks almost everyone who bought one wont use it - same with the defiant retrofit.
3)Mr Stahl has said he plans season 8 to be a "resolution" to the KDF story arc - well that involves deception from the Undine to start the War with the Fed + plus you have some Romulan deception in there as well.
So the Resolution that I think is 100% coming : Ending the Fed/KDF war - which means no more fighting.
Frankly they could come out with a New release that said they were stripping PvP from the game and adding a quarterly Feature episode series - rotating between FED/KDF/ROM and the response would be from 90% of players:
PvP - what?
Feature episodes every quarter for all factions Yeah Hooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG that's so Freaking amazing!! This is the Best New release EVER!!
What was that first part about - pv - can't remember - rotating Featured episode - Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
You sir have a very interesting way of interpreting the stuff Stahl saez.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: The next season is not focused on end game like SEason 7 was - it is focused on story telling and getting older players to come back to the game"
This just sets it up.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Denise Crosby is the one we are working with right now - we'll see if we can make that happen - she is the one we want 1st because of what Sela is going to do Smile"
Could be alluding to something.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: There is a reason why Khitomer is in the Tau Dewa Sector and not turned on yet - when it opens it will help explain why the KDF are on New Rom"
I think this is what he was alluding to.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: Going back to PvP and Faction balance - one of the design ideas on the table to balance the factions is to allow players of either faction to align themselves with the other for the purpose of PvP"
And that is how Feds will get more ship with cloaks on their PvP teams. KDF players flying KDF ships along side Feds in mixed FKvFK teams.
There could be a peace coming once the KDF figures out Sela did something on Khitomer and Romulus. But all this is only speculation based on Stuff Stahl Saez.
Oh and for the record Stahl says a lot of stuff that still has not come to fruition and is doubtful it ever will.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE First OFficer into playable captain - will be Season 9 or later"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: Liberated Borg - probably not until they become a playable faction (which may still happen someday)"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: KDF - yes it is a tough issue - it is one of my personal goals to get the KDF more unique content - it will happen"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: @Khalil - the KDF may get some love in S8 - but we'll have to wait and see when we get closer."
Oh and do not get me started about what he had to say concerning the way PvP has been ignored for over three years now. From the first KDF forum fires till now I have learned to take the Stuff Stahl Seaz with far more than a liberal grain of salt.
When Stahl says something could or will happen in such a casual environ like Red Alert chat, I have learned to wait and keep speculation to a minimum. He has these wonderful idea generating sessions and if you are lucky you'll be there for them. These sessions are NOTHING more than directions the Dev team wants to move and NOTHING is set in stone.
Oh you went there.
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: PvP - is a tough issue for STO obviously - we have put a lot of effort across all of Cryptic to make PvP work better in our engine."
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: PvP so there is actually a ton of PvP work going on behind the scenes, but none of it is ready for STO yet - Gozer was working on some maps for testing and Chris took over after that"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: PvP so for now we are meeting with the Neverwinter team which actually has a significant staff working on PvP and looking to see what we can port over to fix our systems"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: :RE PvP - my best guess is that PvP will see a revamp worth talking about in 2013 - I just don't have a specific time frame yet and don't want to keep stabbing at it"
"[REDALERT] <Dev> Oaks@dstahl: RE: How Neverwinter PvP helps - when you have a huge team working in the same engine making PvP awesome - we learn a lot and can use their knowledge and port their code and balance ideas"
PvP? Not going away. Consider where PWE is based from. Consider how games from that area of the world rely in PvP for the majority of endgame content. Given who Cryptic is in bed with and that bed partner wants to open STO to the Asian market, yeah at some point STO will have to deal with PvP.
Edited to edit your use of the word "New" in place of the word "news." As in, "What's the news, man?" or, "Tonight on the CBS Evening News." See? Used as a noun and a proper noun.
I have the defiant retrofit and use it to cloak for the first few seconds and then onto the mission; which requires me to de-cloak to do damage and heals (team + self)
On my KDF toon I have cloak as well ... but honest it is just a bit of a laugh and as I am more focused on PvE / missions (not PvP) it is not useful to me.
he is not really promising anything or really saying anything concrete.
The time for the War's end has come - Season 8 or sooner will be that time.
PvP is a walking dead - It has been left to walk around dead for a long time - I see nothing ever to suggest they are seriously considering doing anything with it - so they can put it down without much fuss - especially if they slide the announcement in with something everyone would like - such as a rotating quarterly Feature Episode series - say start with a KDF then Rom then Fed
And they love sliding in "oh by the way we are removing "(insert whatever)" in the next patch
So yeah put PvP down and give use some story content!
Um, please read post #39 with direct quotes from Stahl concerning PvP.
You should try it.
So they could use it as a get out of jail free card any time things get rough...and wouldn't be able to uncloak them unless some special technique was created.
Feds just keep getting handed more and more rediculous things each new ship...and there are people who will just keep asking for more.
Yes I shall address the issue of PvP and the KDF with your own words:
And for the rest of you naysayers - it's a "gimmick" - a gimmicky thing that will have very little use - but generate lots of sales - that's what good gimmicks do - Apple adds a new Gimmick to their existing stuff every few months and people run out and line up to get it - not that they need it or that it will provide much extra use - it's just a gimmick to drive sales - and it works very very very well!
Here's a reason why it won't happen most likely:
This game has been going for two and a half years, and the Federation has only two ships with even a basic cloak: The Defiant-R, and the Gal-X. That is it. I really doubt, regardless of anything else, the Cryptic would change that policy now.
If you really want a Phased Cloak at all, ok then, put it on the Oberth-class, that's the class the Pegasus was, and let it ONLY work on the Oberth (not at VA level though).
See my last post about gimmicky things - and not just me but 10,000's of Fed players would want it to - it's a good gimmick - that's reason enough to put in in-game. I just bought the B'rel - the enhanced battle clock is more of a gimmick then practical use because you have to be sooooo careful in your timing and position and weapon load and and and - but it's a good fun gimmick. I wish they would add a 10 console Fleet B'Rel now that I could get with just 1 module - well I can dream of that and Andorian Battle Cloak ship right?
Its not a gimmick...you just want and I cant lose button...
Besides it being a gimmick, you have not shown in any form why it should be in the game....why should someone spend money on it if it's completely useless. The b'rel has more use than being able to ghost my way around ESD.
I want a PVE reason why I would waste my money (or time)on it. Besides it being a battle cloak...this tread is more about the battle cloak than able to phase so let's just talk about the battle cloak.
Nice quote mine.
Between external pressure from a Chinese company and the statements of Stahl I think it's safe to say that at some point PvP will get it's love at some point.
Besides many PvPers drop real money with all their testing and respecing of their builds.
PvP may not have the biggest player base but they tend to spend a good amount of real life monies.
That would be a little hard to ignore forever or simply write off in favor of PvE featured missions that players tend to only play once a toon. I would have to dig in some archived posts but Stahl did point out that metric about mission replayability in the days leading up to F2P.
Ok - how about in any PvE when a HY torp or that energy thing from the Borg is coming at you and you hit the phased cloak and it passes right by? Or under any heavy fire and you cloak and it passes right through.
More than once I have been in a Bop in and Elite STF and been near the gate or a cube or any borg and hit the cloak only to get an instant 1 shot boom - "TRIBBLE -f*** S*** - why did I cloak!!"
^Finally, someone who knows a little about Andorians.
I am a big fan of the Andorians and I would be very upset with them having a cloaking device in one of their ships. It's not cannon and would diminish their role as a founder of the UFP to break the Treaty of Algeron so flagrantly. Just make it a ship worthy of the Imperial Guard. Give it some serious firepower and a fair amount of hull.
If you are looking for a gimmick for it, maybe a console that increases critical chance as the hull % goes down. Andorians are a people of passion, so it would make sense for them to throw everything they have at it when the chips are down.
Would some Klingons still snivel? Yes. But this brings it closer to the canon Fed phase cloak. You use it once, it burns out, so you have to build another one.
That exists already in game, just for KDF side...so you really don't need the cloak part of it, just like the KDF version.
Read the games backstory. The UFP swore off using, researching and further implementing cloak technology.
I do find the "hate the War because it makes no sense" complaints fall to the wayside and the War becomes the reason the Feds need a battle cloak completely funny.
Make up your minds. Are we at war or not?
If we are and the technological flood gates are about to burst its only fair we get some nice fed tech, like say Ablative?
R.I.P
Hey I am for swaping all tech between factions - the idea that one power has some tech that can't be stolen - bribed - or aquired from Feregi is silly - and does not even follow canon or RL - US and China are now stealing each others tech - mostly China stealing it from US and others - Russia/US were - still - stealing each others tech - the Idea that one side has something for more that a few years exclusivly is just plan stupid and not logical.
I am sure there is an episode where someone is stealing tech - and I know that Janeway bought/stole Klingon tech in the final episode - let's not even get into temporal issues because that whole episode would desolve into mush pretty quickly!
Just do away with the war then - and we can open up all the Q's for multi-faction - no more fighting except PvE - would certainly help out with KDF wait time - you could watch a few episode of TNG while waiting
For the record STO mirrors Star Trek far more than it mirrors real life. For example from TOS to Voyager, with the exception of less than a handful of times, (once in TOS, once against the rules in TNG and for a bit on the Defiant), cloaking tech was taboo for Feds to use. Then again in every one of those occasions it was still taboo they just ignored or skirted the rules for a time.
Exactly like I said, it would be and you want a I can't loose button. As long as you know what your doing...you could escape death any time any where. Where is balance in that...tell me? Even ignoring pvp that power would be insane.
Glad I reread this because this is a good Andorian idea. One of the things I like about Andorians is they would rather slash a knife across your chest than plunge it in your back. It's not just about justice or vengeance with them but the challenge and the struggle that go with justice and vengeance as well. This idea would underscore that well.