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AFKers/leechers in pvp getting out of hand
marc8219
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AFKers and leechers who do nothing except sit at spawn in pvp and wait for it to end so they can finish their dilithium missions has always been a problem, but has gotten worse in s7 due to dil being harder to earn other ways
Yesterday while doing cap and hold I had 2 AFKers on my team, both from the same KDF fleet so it was me and one other person left taking on 4 Feds, we did well for being outnumbered 2 to 1 but eventually lost. Next match the same 2 people were there being useless again but at least the Feds had 2 AFKers also so it was balanced, but still 5 on 5 is more fun then 3 on 3.
Besides these people I see a few other regular AFKers both on KDF and Fed side caring nothing about the fact they are griefing everyone else who is out there to actually play the game.
Something needs to be done about this, both AFKers need to be penalized, and dil needs to be easier to earn outside of pvp I think.
Yesterday while doing cap and hold I had 2 AFKers on my team, both from the same KDF fleet so it was me and one other person left taking on 4 Feds, we did well for being outnumbered 2 to 1 but eventually lost. Next match the same 2 people were there being useless again but at least the Feds had 2 AFKers also so it was balanced, but still 5 on 5 is more fun then 3 on 3.
Besides these people I see a few other regular AFKers both on KDF and Fed side caring nothing about the fact they are griefing everyone else who is out there to actually play the game.
Something needs to be done about this, both AFKers need to be penalized, and dil needs to be easier to earn outside of pvp I think.
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But yeah, afkers need to go and I need a reason to not sit back and die, yes I'm only in the public cues for the dil but I do take part for the sake of the others on my team, it'd just be nice if I had a reason to not afk.
Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.
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My idea is to add idle timers to each player that is doing some team mission, pvp, stf or what ever.. So let say some1 is afk 120 seconds, that person would be automaticly removed from the map (next Qued person would join), get 1h or 30min ban from Qing ALL team missions, again stf, fleet mark event etc. etc. I thing idle timer or sth like that would make ppl PLAY the game, not just enter the mission and be total C***t and let all other player do all hard work for him!
8 on 8 a full game and much to my amazement there were actually 6 KDF afkers
which left the other 2 of us at a distinct disadvantage something needs to be done
about this.
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To minimize false positives you could do something like we used to have with private queues where you don't suffer a queue penalty for leaving. So for example, if someone has a connection issue or something in a 5 v. 5 private premade game and he gets wrongly AFK flagged, he won't suffer the penalty and he can reenter the game once he gets sorted out. This helps keep PvP healthy and doesn't really open any windows for potential exploits.
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
akfers have always been a problem, but its like 10 times worse now
To an extent, I've kind of been wondering this - with folks off grinding other things (or having walked away) - it started to get rare for a queue to pop. Heck, I've seen more and more folks in Ker'rat - as if they've made the choice to PvP there instead of in the queues...
I don't even care if someone else doesn't come and fill their spot, I'd just be happy if they're gone. I really really annoys me when people who deliberately hamper and spoil other peoples enjoyment get rewarded. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Nor difficult to abuse.
AFKers are nothing new - not just here - but in any game that rewards losing. Many things have been discussed - most of them can be abused or cause more problems than they fix.
Yet for some reason, the one thing there is always such an outcry against is no longer rewarding losing - and - I've always found that odd.
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I can only hope the Prophets are not blessing that in this case.
And there i was, trying to figure out if i even still want to play PvP in this game, and you come out with something depressing like this. Guess they cant even 'fix' this relative small problem, they dont even care about the essentials.
Well, MWO Also has afk'ers in the queue's, but hey, that game's still in beta ^^
I guess they're just waiting for the launchdate!
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Well MWO also has friendly fire and repair bills. AFK'ing can be VERY expensive in MWO. That problem almost solves itself.
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
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It can be Very expensive to be on my team i think i have like 3 or 4 friendly fire kills lol.
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For now, I definitely encourage this path.
A technical solution, if one exists, won't be implemented over the short term, though we're doing some investigating to see what it would take to address this concern for both PvP and STF maps (really, all public queues). Until we can determine what we can do, and whether or not we have the time & resources to implement it, the community will need to take the responsibility upon themselves to encourage better play habits.
I just wanted to let you all know that it's not off the radar to attempt to address this problem. It's far from being an easy fix, though.
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(You could increase dil-per-mission rewards to compensate for the fact that on average it will take more than three matches to get three wins.)
My solution "was" to put said persons on my ignore list. However, this does not prevent the queues from putting me in missions with said individuals. I send "GM reports" now twice about 1 individual that I keep getting teamed with late in the evenings (Eastern Time).
"Short term", could the queues honor the ignore option?
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The whole part of a design of this magnitude to make sure no one afk's and can complete anything creating bad habits is doing some kind of optional and it would be optional on you getting points or not. So if someone afk's and something is setup that could not be botted like a cool example would be is if you had a pvp time travel match to where say both teams must use 2 different means to travel back in time to a specific map which would be part of the same map technically. A mechanic like that would require all members of a team to do something specific which would be tasks to get into a match. Something complex enough if a person were to not complete the task (the afker) that there would be a timer of some sort if they don't reach the given point they are ejected from the match then another person could enter to take the place of this said afker.
This is why I believe in mostly missions that are PvEvP style because it helps discourage this playstyle and gives individual points in a point system like that too so even if you have a TRIBBLE team you'd get most of your points from participation where as the afker would get nothing at all. So a design based on afker(0 points), participation 75%, and PvE and PvP skill 25% of points. It's my idea of an across the board type system and if there ever was to be a leaderboard you could rank up there on PvE skill if you wanted to but it would give that edge to those who really just want to PvP with a little bit better PvP related awards to them so it would make the majority happy.
Why not just use the existing idle tracker tool to flag idlers and boot them with a harsh queue penalty after a reasonable length of time? I know you could get false positives and all ("My dog needed dinner", "I was getting a drink", "I'm the president of Costa Rica don't you know who I am") but I mean really if you don't have the time you ought not to queue in the first place since it just isn't fair on your team.
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
This is one option under review, but it's not a true fix.
AFK'ers still spend their time doing nothing (likely tabbed out, doing something else), and teams can still win without them even if it's less likely. These two factors mean it wouldn't stop an AFK'er from jumping into a Queued Map and waiting for a win so they can earn their Dilithium. Even if that only happens like 10% of the time, that's still 10% of their non-effort. It's a diminished amount, but in the end it means nothing to the type of player that employs this method of earning.
Additionally, players that try their hardest, and don't win, get nothing for their time & effort. If an AFK'er enters a match on their team, they are even less likely to win no matter how much they try.
So, in essence, restricting rewards to a Win condition punishes active players more than it punishes AFK'ers.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
So why not ban them for griefing? Why not the same for knowingly exploiting bugs? What good is that part of the ToS if it's not enforced?
Edit: There's some other issues I brough up here:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=447701
Along the same lines and haven't heard anything on them. I know policy enforcement isn't a Dev issue, but it would be nice to have some official stance on this issue even if you can't comment on it.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
However, this would stop most of the afker's in the game which is a positive step in the right direction. Also would fit DSthal's master plan of slaving for dilithium