We had a dedicated group from the PvP community test out the Vesta and the feedback received from them influenced some of the changes that were made, but they did not feel it was not OP or could not be countered by KDF ships.
Can you confirm if at least half of these trusted testers played KDF as their main? If not then their feedback is biased. I'll take a lack of response as a "no".
I was hoping to work towards a fleet HEC (which is at the insane level of T5), but with the recent lockboxes, vesta, steamrunner and the continual escalation, I've come to realise the FHEC just isn't fit for purpose. There might be a point if I was low enough to use danubes, but as it is the FHEC is pretty rubbish.
I'll stick with my mobius thanks. That is until the overpowered escort bundle is released, with insta-pop DHCs.
...power creep.
Cryptic isn't selling as many fleetships NOW because they made them obsolete the last couple months.
All they have to do is turn off the connie skin option and problem solved.
and if you noticed what i quoted, he specifically asked for a fleet exter WITH TMP skin. a fleet Exter i have no problems with if you cant use the TMP skin.
For the Vesta, are you referring to the "perfect shield"? I feel that the Kar'Fi Carrier is actually similar with Phase Shift, except with PS, you can still fire weapons. It also has a hangar.
We had a dedicated group from the PvP community test out the Vesta and the feedback received from them influenced some of the changes that were made, but they did not feel it was not OP or could not be countered by KDF ships.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
An under appreciated similar power is the console that come with the temporal sci vessels. Yes, it's a heal and a freeze with the set bonus but the other thing worth considering is that it's 7 seconds when you can't take damage.
So I blow the M?bius console fore firepower and aware that the Borg cube explosion will take out my other selves... and me... I will pop the sci vessel console for 7 seconds of damage immunity, not the heal or the freeze.
and if you noticed what i quoted, he specifically asked for a fleet exter WITH TMP skin. a fleet Exter i have no problems with if you cant use the TMP skin.
And yet we have a Fleet D7 -- same era... seems they broke their own rules already. No real reason (other then CBS saying "'cause we said so...") not to have the TMP skin. It's NOT the TV ship, it's the movie ship, there is a difference. And it's possible that's what they meant by "no T5 Connie": the TV version.
And I really don't see how it affects anyone else's game if I want to fly the TMP-TUC era ship. I think it'll be better for the game if I can use a T5 version for STFs rather than queue for a STF in the base Exeter. After all I can fly whatever ship I want. One way is trolling/griefing, the other is just flying what LOOKS like an old ship.
So yeah -- Fleet Exeter with TMP Skin option please, after all the KDF have a Fleet D7...
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For the Vesta, are you referring to the "perfect shield"? I feel that the Kar'Fi Carrier is actually similar with Phase Shift, except with PS, you can still fire weapons. It also has a hangar.
We had a dedicated group from the PvP community test out the Vesta and the feedback received from them influenced some of the changes that were made, but they did not feel it was not OP or could not be countered by KDF ships.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Right off the bat your testing procedure is obviously flawed. Expert testing and tissue testing are bad by themselves. From the sounds of it, you managed to combine both into something worse.
Fortunately with ships there's not a whole lot of variation between them, but handing a bunch of volunteer pvp experts and asking for their opinion is an incredibly flawed way to try and assess how the ships will behave when distributed to the general playerbase.
And yet we have a Fleet D7 -- same era... seems they broke their own rules already. No real reason (other then CBS saying "'cause we said so...") not to have the TMP skin. It's NOT the TV ship, it's the movie ship, there is a difference. And it's possible that's what they meant by "no T5 Connie": the TV version.
I agree. Unfortunately, CBS' decision still stands. Full stop.
They own it, they make the (arbitrary, inconsistent) rules.
Don't like it? Complain to them. (Not to us, not to Cryptic, not even to PWE.)
I agree. Unfortunately, CBS' decision still stands. Full stop.
They own it, they make the (arbitrary, inconsistent) rules.
Don't like it? Complain to them. (Not to us, not to Cryptic, not even to PWE.)
We will continue to voice our desire for it because there is only so much time a company will resist the allure of money. I'm 99% sure Cryptic and PBS are just saving it for a cold day.
And yet we have a Fleet D7 -- same era... seems they broke their own rules already. No real reason (other then CBS saying "'cause we said so...") not to have the TMP skin. It's NOT the TV ship, it's the movie ship, there is a difference. And it's possible that's what they meant by "no T5 Connie": the TV version.
And I really don't see how it affects anyone else's game if I want to fly the TMP-TUC era ship. I think it'll be better for the game if I can use a T5 version for STFs rather than queue for a STF in the base Exeter. After all I can fly whatever ship I want. One way is trolling/griefing, the other is just flying what LOOKS like an old ship.
So yeah -- Fleet Exeter with TMP Skin option please, after all the KDF have a Fleet D7...
Exeter was never refitted to TMP Connie specs, and the Klink D7 canon was botched by CBS's producers and directors, thats why the design has been around for almost 200 years.
Exeter was never refitted to TMP Connie specs, and the Klink D7 canon was botched by CBS's producers and directors, thats why the design has been around for almost 200 years.
Nothing could stop the exeter from being refitted to TMP form, STO tech is magical.
Sorta going back to one of the original items posted for the moment, for the love of all that is good in the galaxy, can we please make the Fleet Assault Cruiser Retrofit a tier 2 or tier 3 unlock????
You know, so those of us in smaller to mid-size fleets actually get the chance to spend money on it? :rolleyes:
Yes this would be a great time to add Fleet Miranda class with the other three variants of the class. Maybe even the soyuz class, just a thought heard it on a podcast once :rolleyes:
Adding a few hull points a few shield points
1 console slot isn't enough for a lot of the fleet
Ships we have already
The galaxy class is a shining example of this
It still a poor ship choice,Brandon your crew must
Do better than this of you want these ships to sell
Just look at how poor the galaxies boff arrangement is
Set this ship up I'n a tactical mode and it will sell
A excelsior fleet ship would be nice
Make it's LT Cmdr Tac into a commander, it will sell
The tier 1 ,2 ,3 ships as a fleet tier 5 would be nice to
Use for helping low level players get thru missions and
Mirror events, I think they should have the 12 boff/ 4 or 5
Bridge officers
Add 1 more weapon slot 1 console slot some hull
And shields and it would be a fun ship to return to
The story missions with
All of the empires would have lots of these ships I'n storage/mothballs
And to rework refit a few would be common
A idea to work with here, captured enemy ships reworked
And used as a tier 5 ship including lockbox ships
However these ships would be inferior to the original
Ship.
I'n closing make the current fleet ships better and they
Will sell especiall the canon ships.
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I'm also in favor of a Fleet Exeter with a TMP costume option. As that doesn't have any relation to the 'no T5 TOS Constitution in STO' dictate from wherever that really came from.
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I'm also in favor of a Fleet Exeter with a TMP costume option. As that doesn't have any relation to the 'no T5 TOS Constitution in STO' dictate from wherever that really came from.
If it looks exactly the same, then it is a T5 connie. So unless CBS changes their mind, there will never be a T5 ship with the exact same costume as the TMP connie(or TOS connie). However the Exeter and Excalibur costumes are completely different.
Klingon ships are included in what we're looking at for increased Fleet Shipyard offerings.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
I hope so it would be nice on some of the ship types that you can't really stretch out like you can the fed side for obvious reasons make a vesta like ship pack for em and then would be golden for awhile.
The big thing with KDF is that a lot of these ships the KDF races have they were mostly spoken of so it would give the artists a lot of room to do what they want with them without being confined where as they are when making strictly canon ships.
Another thing is maybe instead of a discount offer the KDf something different like 2 Fleet Modules and like maybe 100k fleet credits for fleet ship or maybe 400k-600k fleet credits for a fleet ship to balance out that issue of no discount and shortage of ships on KDF side.
Perhaps you should start by not using the "Magic" excuse because that is not a argument, its a word that is used to excuse anything and everything.
The Exeter was abandoned, its possible that Starfleet send a team to recover the ship and it continued service but that is a conjecture, since the ship was abandoned in orbit its also quit possible the ship orbit decayed and it crashed on the planet or considering the hazard posed that the Enterprise being unable to tow the ship or manned it had activated the ship self-destruct to prevent the above scenario as it posed a serious hazard.
All are conjectures, however we do know the Constitution refit was extremely problematic and the Exeter being refitted would simply amount to being another ship that would serve for some more years (like the Enterprise) until it was going to the scrapyard.
Also TMP is certainly NOT T5, even the Miranda that was a newer ship does not have a T5 variant and never will, also using the excuse that "well its new so it can perform to T5" is the same as saying any Coast Guard ship that is recently can perform as well as a Nimitz Class carrier since its "newer", the fact the Exeter can use the Constitution Refit as a costume makes sure that ship will never be a T5 ship in the game.
The bug and fleet defiant pack the most powerful weapons in the game and they are barely bigger than the Connie saucer. It would be easy for STO engineers to put tier 5 tech in the ship.
BTW it should be Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit as in a Fleet Regent not Fleet Soveriegn.
Considering the Fleet Heavy Cruiser already HAS the standard Assault Cruiser BO setup, I found it toally pointless and redundant to use the term Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit.
I hope so it would be nice on some of the ship types that you can't really stretch out like you can the fed side for obvious reasons make a vesta like ship pack for em and then would be golden for awhile.
The big thing with KDF is that a lot of these ships the KDF races have they were mostly spoken of so it would give the artists a lot of room to do what they want with them without being confined where as they are when making strictly canon ships.
Another thing is maybe instead of a discount offer the KDf something different like 2 Fleet Modules and like maybe 100k fleet credits for fleet ship or maybe 400k-600k fleet credits for a fleet ship to balance out that issue of no discount and shortage of ships on KDF side.
DS said months ago they were discussing alternate pricing strategies to address the 'KDF problem', but no mention since I asked the question 3 months ago. IF there were any KDF ships that qualify for the discount I'd have bought it and a fleet upgrade on top of it, but there isn't one so I'm hoarding my currency and making do with the 'freebie' ships.
They don't want OUR money- the KDF faction isn't populated enough to rate any effort from the devs unless it's accompanied by a quadrupled value gift to the fed playing customers.
We'll get a new fleet ship alright, but the cost will be every unique console we have left.
Their history confirms this.
Considering the Fleet Heavy Cruiser already HAS the standard Assault Cruiser BO setup, I found it toally pointless and redundant to use the term Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit.
Refit has LT. Com Tactical not LT. Tactical.
So I want to make sure they provide the right ship, its one of the differences between the regent and the sovereign is Lt. Com not LT. Tac, which is quite a big difference in how it plays in game.
Wasn't hair splitting for the sake of it but because there is a difference and right now I wouldn't trust the Devs to TRIBBLE that one up.
We'll be looking at what Fleet Ships we can add to the Fleet Shipyards' offerings -- I can't share any details or timeframes yet, but watch for patch notes as we'll announce additions there, if not in a Blog
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
My vote: Fleet K'Tanco Retrofit. There's no cruiser in the Tier III Klingon shipyard, an oversight I'd like to see addressed. I see the LTC K'Tanco in the non-fleet shipyard, and I like its design.
Some theoretical specs:
Fleet K'Tanco Battlecruiser Retrofit
Hull: 34,000
Shield mod: 1.0
Turn rate: 13
Weapons: 4 fore, 4 aft
+10 to weapons and engines
Dual Cannons
Standard Cloak
Commander Engineer, Lt. Commander Tactical, Lt. Engineer, Lt. Tactical, Ensign Science.
Five Engineering consoles, four Tactical consoles, one Science console.
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Can you confirm if at least half of these trusted testers played KDF as their main? If not then their feedback is biased. I'll take a lack of response as a "no".
All they have to do is turn off the connie skin option and problem solved.
...power creep.
Cryptic isn't selling as many fleetships NOW because they made them obsolete the last couple months.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
and if you noticed what i quoted, he specifically asked for a fleet exter WITH TMP skin. a fleet Exter i have no problems with if you cant use the TMP skin.
An under appreciated similar power is the console that come with the temporal sci vessels. Yes, it's a heal and a freeze with the set bonus but the other thing worth considering is that it's 7 seconds when you can't take damage.
So I blow the M?bius console fore firepower and aware that the Borg cube explosion will take out my other selves... and me... I will pop the sci vessel console for 7 seconds of damage immunity, not the heal or the freeze.
And yet we have a Fleet D7 -- same era... seems they broke their own rules already. No real reason (other then CBS saying "'cause we said so...") not to have the TMP skin. It's NOT the TV ship, it's the movie ship, there is a difference. And it's possible that's what they meant by "no T5 Connie": the TV version.
And I really don't see how it affects anyone else's game if I want to fly the TMP-TUC era ship. I think it'll be better for the game if I can use a T5 version for STFs rather than queue for a STF in the base Exeter. After all I can fly whatever ship I want. One way is trolling/griefing, the other is just flying what LOOKS like an old ship.
So yeah -- Fleet Exeter with TMP Skin option please, after all the KDF have a Fleet D7...
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
Right off the bat your testing procedure is obviously flawed. Expert testing and tissue testing are bad by themselves. From the sounds of it, you managed to combine both into something worse.
Fortunately with ships there's not a whole lot of variation between them, but handing a bunch of volunteer pvp experts and asking for their opinion is an incredibly flawed way to try and assess how the ships will behave when distributed to the general playerbase.
They own it, they make the (arbitrary, inconsistent) rules.
Don't like it? Complain to them. (Not to us, not to Cryptic, not even to PWE.)
We will continue to voice our desire for it because there is only so much time a company will resist the allure of money. I'm 99% sure Cryptic and PBS are just saving it for a cold day.
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Exeter was never refitted to TMP Connie specs, and the Klink D7 canon was botched by CBS's producers and directors, thats why the design has been around for almost 200 years.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Nothing could stop the exeter from being refitted to TMP form, STO tech is magical.
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You know, so those of us in smaller to mid-size fleets actually get the chance to spend money on it? :rolleyes:
KDF C-store ships. Don't dance around that.
You want more fleet ships cause its a per ship pop whereas the C-store ships are account unlocks.
Don't think we aren't onto that plan.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
Fleet ships also reuse assets, which makes them super cheap to implement.
But honestly, I don't care; as long as Klingons get some ships to fill their glaring holes at the escort and science levels.
1 console slot isn't enough for a lot of the fleet
Ships we have already
The galaxy class is a shining example of this
It still a poor ship choice,Brandon your crew must
Do better than this of you want these ships to sell
Just look at how poor the galaxies boff arrangement is
Set this ship up I'n a tactical mode and it will sell
A excelsior fleet ship would be nice
Make it's LT Cmdr Tac into a commander, it will sell
The tier 1 ,2 ,3 ships as a fleet tier 5 would be nice to
Use for helping low level players get thru missions and
Mirror events, I think they should have the 12 boff/ 4 or 5
Bridge officers
Add 1 more weapon slot 1 console slot some hull
And shields and it would be a fun ship to return to
The story missions with
All of the empires would have lots of these ships I'n storage/mothballs
And to rework refit a few would be common
A idea to work with here, captured enemy ships reworked
And used as a tier 5 ship including lockbox ships
However these ships would be inferior to the original
Ship.
I'n closing make the current fleet ships better and they
Will sell especiall the canon ships.
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
If it looks exactly the same, then it is a T5 connie. So unless CBS changes their mind, there will never be a T5 ship with the exact same costume as the TMP connie(or TOS connie). However the Exeter and Excalibur costumes are completely different.
I hope so it would be nice on some of the ship types that you can't really stretch out like you can the fed side for obvious reasons make a vesta like ship pack for em and then would be golden for awhile.
The big thing with KDF is that a lot of these ships the KDF races have they were mostly spoken of so it would give the artists a lot of room to do what they want with them without being confined where as they are when making strictly canon ships.
Another thing is maybe instead of a discount offer the KDf something different like 2 Fleet Modules and like maybe 100k fleet credits for fleet ship or maybe 400k-600k fleet credits for a fleet ship to balance out that issue of no discount and shortage of ships on KDF side.
The bug and fleet defiant pack the most powerful weapons in the game and they are barely bigger than the Connie saucer. It would be easy for STO engineers to put tier 5 tech in the ship.
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Considering the Fleet Heavy Cruiser already HAS the standard Assault Cruiser BO setup, I found it toally pointless and redundant to use the term Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit.
DS said months ago they were discussing alternate pricing strategies to address the 'KDF problem', but no mention since I asked the question 3 months ago. IF there were any KDF ships that qualify for the discount I'd have bought it and a fleet upgrade on top of it, but there isn't one so I'm hoarding my currency and making do with the 'freebie' ships.
They don't want OUR money- the KDF faction isn't populated enough to rate any effort from the devs unless it's accompanied by a quadrupled value gift to the fed playing customers.
We'll get a new fleet ship alright, but the cost will be every unique console we have left.
Their history confirms this.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Refit has LT. Com Tactical not LT. Tactical.
So I want to make sure they provide the right ship, its one of the differences between the regent and the sovereign is Lt. Com not LT. Tac, which is quite a big difference in how it plays in game.
Wasn't hair splitting for the sake of it but because there is a difference and right now I wouldn't trust the Devs to TRIBBLE that one up.
My vote: Fleet K'Tanco Retrofit. There's no cruiser in the Tier III Klingon shipyard, an oversight I'd like to see addressed. I see the LTC K'Tanco in the non-fleet shipyard, and I like its design.
Some theoretical specs:
Fleet K'Tanco Battlecruiser Retrofit
Hull: 34,000
Shield mod: 1.0
Turn rate: 13
Weapons: 4 fore, 4 aft
+10 to weapons and engines
Dual Cannons
Standard Cloak
Commander Engineer, Lt. Commander Tactical, Lt. Engineer, Lt. Tactical, Ensign Science.
Five Engineering consoles, four Tactical consoles, one Science console.