So, some obvious questions arise - like, does starship countermeasure skill effect the strength/duration (or both!) of the placate proc? How does that interact with the KHG shield placate, AMS, and the Entertainer Doff from the temporal lock box? Can I actually build a 'jammer' escort and simply deny my enemy a viable target? If so, that seems... nerf-worthy.
How much DPS on average does the +30 weapons prof actually add? How much does the 3% crit bonus add? It may be that even if you are not planning to run the jammer build that you would want to take the crit chance buff anyway, simply because it's the better DPS add.
How much healing do the shield procs actually add? And do points in Emitters buff the heal? Will shield regen buffs also buff the passive regen bonus?
Oh, also, note that at launch, there will be NO way to respec these choices - they are looking to add that functionality 'later', but to begin with, you are stuck with your selections. This means many silly things, but chief among them it means that it will be nigh-impossible to 'fix' a power once this goes live, because people will (rightly) lose it if the power they picked and are now stuck with gets nerfed.
So, yeah, there needs to be some intense testing of these powers, which means there needs to be a way to get access to them without grinding the rep tiers, since the patch will go live before anyone can get access to the 'problem' powers. I'm SURE that Cryptic has some in-house QA working on this, but honestly, really, are they testing things like the Jam build with full spec into crit chance, critx3 weapons, full points into countermeasures, AMS, and KHG shields? Because if not...
Oh, also, note that at launch, there will be NO way to respec these choices - they are looking to add that functionality 'later', but to begin with, you are stuck with your selections. This means many silly things, but chief among them it means that it will be nigh-impossible to 'fix' a power once this goes live, because people will (rightly) lose it if the power they picked and are now stuck with gets nerfed.
So, yeah, there needs to be some intense testing of these powers,......
No, they won't be properly tested and it won't matter because if they turn out to need rebalancing later they will NOT give out free respecs anyway. In theory, everytime a power pass is done in CO people with affected powers and powersets should get a free respec to all characters with them. The last free respec was..... a very, VERY, VEEEERY long time ago.
If changes nerf our picked powers we will complain, and be subtly pointed to the respec token. I'm 100% certain things like switching picked rep passives will be made part of a regular respec token.
But hey, now we know WHY they suddenly started looking at nerfing healing, the Borg set, etc. So to achieve your previous durability and dps you would look to grinding the rep systems... I'm a little embarrassed to not have seen it coming earlier.
BTW, there was an interesting post over in the Tribble area clarifying some of the things that are showing as wrong - explaining a little more - etc, etc, etc:
I know it's silly, but that's how I tend to build ships...and I was looking at this:
Phased Polarons with Rep 'n Rom console
Power Drain Proc
Extra Shield Damage Proc
100% Ignore Shield Kinetic Damage Proc
Plasma Damage Proc
Increased Crit Hit
The Borg Rep Crit Placate was a visual bug - but the Rom Rep isn't. So with additional +crit; you could also proc the Placate.
Heck, Cruisers sporting Spiral Waves...
Maybe two piece the Borg secondary for OWA...
...wait for the planets to align and have proc Heaven!
Yeah, it's silly - stupid... but it's been a long day.
edit: I mean, c'mon, what are the odds of getting 6-7+ procs from each of 8 beams firing..?
You see, the problem is, once PVP finally gets a Season to itself there will be some much **** connected to it - lockbox ships, lockbox consoles, Lobi Store gear, reputation system passive buffs, C Store stuff etc etc. By the time that season comes it'll be too late to do anything to save PVP.
RIP STO PvP.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] @Aquitaine985 Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre. 2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
You see, the problem is, once PVP finally gets a Season to itself there will be some much **** connected to it - lockbox ships, lockbox consoles, Lobi Store gear, reputation system passive buffs, C Store stuff etc etc. By the time that season comes it'll be too late to do anything to save PVP.
RIP STO PvP.
It's well before any of that, I think - the problem some folks are having. It's not so much about having a PvP Season... it's just a simple wish for them to consider PvP as they pump out all the PvE stuff...
I have the PvP Revamp solution! Come play MWO and pretend you are in a starship, all you have to do is Fire Ze Lazers and there isn't any AMS or Power Siphons drone!
I have the PvP Revamp solution! Come play MWO and pretend you are in a starship, all you have to do is Fire Ze Lazers and there isn't any AMS or Power Siphons drone!
NOT YET! just wait till introduce some sort of enery drain weapon lol
I have the PvP Revamp solution! Come play MWO and pretend you are in a starship, all you have to do is Fire Ze Lazers and there isn't any AMS or Power Siphons drone!
+1
Should be getting the big goodie patch today, and open beta within a couple weeks. NDA is lifted so we can talk about MWO being everything STO isn't- all PvP, content incoming, F2P.
Did anyone notice Chris Roberts (wing commander fame) is ALSO creating a space MMO ?
Non-support of PvP in STO has crippled the game, and most likely signed it's death warrant.
+1
Should be getting the big goodie patch today, and open beta within a couple weeks. NDA is lifted so we can talk about MWO being everything STO isn't- all PvP, content incoming, F2P.
Did anyone notice Chris Roberts (wing commander fame) is ALSO creating a space MMO ?
Non-support of PvP in STO has crippled the game, and most likely signed it's death warrant.
Personaly, I'm more than a little interested in SOE's announcement of EQ Next. (Smed said here lately they have scraped all their existing plans and that a re-design is coming to a massive sandbox) Have to admit, I miss a "sandbox" game with open world PVP and a engine that can support most of it. Will still miss the open space version of SWG's PVP (JTL) which was more "skill"/gear based with all the gear being made via crafters.
STO PVP has been dead for quite a while. In retrospec, it started with P2W and most of us tried to tell them this would happen way back when.
I have the PvP Revamp solution! Come play MWO and pretend you are in a starship, all you have to do is Fire Ze Lazers and there isn't any AMS or Power Siphons drone!
I hope to god they don't boost ER Large lasers again. It's hilarious enough being able to pluck the ears off of catapults from 700 meters away reliably without silly gauss
You going to be on 11pm EST ish? Cause that's when I get home.
Virus; I spent 60 for the Elite. Founder cat is a great learning mech.
I have the PvP Revamp solution! Come play MWO and pretend you are in a starship, all you have to do is Fire Ze Lazers and there isn't any AMS or Power Siphons drone!
Not entirely true! They do have AMS. It's called Anti-Missile System, and in MWO is your best friend. Unlike in this game where AMS (and all other p2w TRIBBLE) is not your friend.
Indeed another big patch is coming to MWO today. Only 10 minutes to patch time!
And I bought the $60 Elite founders package. I love my big kitties! It is said they made $5 million on founder package sales from July to its end two weeks ago. All pvp, all the time, is also a wonderful thing.
To those that haven't done so yet, add me up. I'm Ihasa over there too. So far there's enough STO refugees we could start a small guild.
Not entirely true! They do have EMS. It's called Anti-Missile System, and in MWO is your best friend. Unlike in this game where AMS (and all other p2w TRIBBLE) is not your friend.
Indeed another big patch is coming to MWO today. Only 10 minutes to patch time!
And I bought the $60 Elite founders package. I love my big kitties! It is said they made $5 million on founder package sales from July to its end two weeks ago. All pvp, all the time, is also a wonderful thing.
To those that haven't done so yet, add me up. I'm Ihasa over there too. So far there's enough STO refugees we could start a small guild.
Yeah in my opinion we are far enough along with the STO Refugee count we can start the guild now.
My name over in MWO for those that do not know yet, is Mavairo feel free to add me.
The 5% Placate here is a bug - that was there as a placeholder. The alternative to Shield Regeneration is actually a 2.5% chance for your energy weapons to proc Kinetic damage with 100% shield penetration.
Any chance you could add that to torpedo/mine weapons? It would be nice if torpedo boats could do some extra Kinetic damage when shields are up. Why use torps if energy weapons do Kinetic to hull when shields are up only perhaps with a 10% proc due to slow fire rate? It seems energy builds get the best of both worlds with this change while we torpdeo boats lose out.
JORF! I owe all my success to a month or two ago, you suggested dropping the medium lazers on my Jenner-R for 6 smalls. That plus my 300XL engine is kicking some butt.
I take it guilds will be added to the game eventually? I haven't played on a team yet and can image the strategy would be awesome.
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I know, it's silly: eve is clearly the better alternative :P
I saw this as "modern warfare 3 and modern warfare 4" :P
I feel old now...
Okay, I felt old before - but I feel older now.
another satisfied customer.
How much DPS on average does the +30 weapons prof actually add? How much does the 3% crit bonus add? It may be that even if you are not planning to run the jammer build that you would want to take the crit chance buff anyway, simply because it's the better DPS add.
How much healing do the shield procs actually add? And do points in Emitters buff the heal? Will shield regen buffs also buff the passive regen bonus?
Oh, also, note that at launch, there will be NO way to respec these choices - they are looking to add that functionality 'later', but to begin with, you are stuck with your selections. This means many silly things, but chief among them it means that it will be nigh-impossible to 'fix' a power once this goes live, because people will (rightly) lose it if the power they picked and are now stuck with gets nerfed.
So, yeah, there needs to be some intense testing of these powers, which means there needs to be a way to get access to them without grinding the rep tiers, since the patch will go live before anyone can get access to the 'problem' powers. I'm SURE that Cryptic has some in-house QA working on this, but honestly, really, are they testing things like the Jam build with full spec into crit chance, critx3 weapons, full points into countermeasures, AMS, and KHG shields? Because if not...
BO3 crits - placates - torps hit - target has to read who killed them.
BO3 crits - shields heal - torps hit - target wiggles their ship while laughing.
lol
As far as cryptic QA is concerned, if the patch doesn't crash the server, it's good to go.
If there's one thing I like doing, it's cutting the ears off of Mickey Mouse just sayin
No, they won't be properly tested and it won't matter because if they turn out to need rebalancing later they will NOT give out free respecs anyway. In theory, everytime a power pass is done in CO people with affected powers and powersets should get a free respec to all characters with them. The last free respec was..... a very, VERY, VEEEERY long time ago.
If changes nerf our picked powers we will complain, and be subtly pointed to the respec token. I'm 100% certain things like switching picked rep passives will be made part of a regular respec token.
But hey, now we know WHY they suddenly started looking at nerfing healing, the Borg set, etc. So to achieve your previous durability and dps you would look to grinding the rep systems... I'm a little embarrassed to not have seen it coming earlier.
your whut?? I'm unfamiliar with that model...
Myself, I have an old Atlas 1302d, and if I could get at the servers with it, it'd be seriously OP!
More like the Reman Consulate, no? I forget, did Nero disappear in this "version" or is it something that he might pilot?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6231611&postcount=14
The gist being - well, we didn't read it right - because there were bugs and placeholders...
how bout a nice kentic phaser that burns ya?
I know it's silly, but that's how I tend to build ships...and I was looking at this:
Phased Polarons with Rep 'n Rom console
Power Drain Proc
Extra Shield Damage Proc
100% Ignore Shield Kinetic Damage Proc
Plasma Damage Proc
Increased Crit Hit
The Borg Rep Crit Placate was a visual bug - but the Rom Rep isn't. So with additional +crit; you could also proc the Placate.
Heck, Cruisers sporting Spiral Waves...
Maybe two piece the Borg secondary for OWA...
...wait for the planets to align and have proc Heaven!
Yeah, it's silly - stupid... but it's been a long day.
edit: I mean, c'mon, what are the odds of getting 6-7+ procs from each of 8 beams firing..?
RIP STO PvP.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
It's well before any of that, I think - the problem some folks are having. It's not so much about having a PvP Season... it's just a simple wish for them to consider PvP as they pump out all the PvE stuff...
NOT YET! just wait till introduce some sort of enery drain weapon lol
+1
Should be getting the big goodie patch today, and open beta within a couple weeks. NDA is lifted so we can talk about MWO being everything STO isn't- all PvP, content incoming, F2P.
Did anyone notice Chris Roberts (wing commander fame) is ALSO creating a space MMO ?
Non-support of PvP in STO has crippled the game, and most likely signed it's death warrant.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Personaly, I'm more than a little interested in SOE's announcement of EQ Next. (Smed said here lately they have scraped all their existing plans and that a re-design is coming to a massive sandbox) Have to admit, I miss a "sandbox" game with open world PVP and a engine that can support most of it. Will still miss the open space version of SWG's PVP (JTL) which was more "skill"/gear based with all the gear being made via crafters.
STO PVP has been dead for quite a while. In retrospec, it started with P2W and most of us tried to tell them this would happen way back when.
I'll second this. I'll be on MWO tonight.
Hell yeah, big patch coming today
I hope to god they don't boost ER Large lasers again. It's hilarious enough being able to pluck the ears off of catapults from 700 meters away reliably without silly gauss
You going to be on 11pm EST ish? Cause that's when I get home.
Virus; I spent 60 for the Elite. Founder cat is a great learning mech.
Not entirely true! They do have AMS. It's called Anti-Missile System, and in MWO is your best friend. Unlike in this game where AMS (and all other p2w TRIBBLE) is not your friend.
Indeed another big patch is coming to MWO today. Only 10 minutes to patch time!
And I bought the $60 Elite founders package. I love my big kitties! It is said they made $5 million on founder package sales from July to its end two weeks ago. All pvp, all the time, is also a wonderful thing.
To those that haven't done so yet, add me up. I'm Ihasa over there too. So far there's enough STO refugees we could start a small guild.
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
http://seekingalpha.com/article/738221-monetizing-perfect-world-s-latest-update
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yeah in my opinion we are far enough along with the STO Refugee count we can start the guild now.
My name over in MWO for those that do not know yet, is Mavairo feel free to add me.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6241691&postcount=32
So the conversation goes like this:
JORF! I owe all my success to a month or two ago, you suggested dropping the medium lazers on my Jenner-R for 6 smalls. That plus my 300XL engine is kicking some butt.
I take it guilds will be added to the game eventually? I haven't played on a team yet and can image the strategy would be awesome.