A lower end light cruiser/frigate then a T5 Tactical version, hybrid-type ship, something along the lines of the new Chimira Class Something with more speed and ballz then the Regent. By appearance alone, it looks like its' equipped for war.
Are they seriously considering putting this in or is this just a wishful thinking thread? I really like the New Orleans so don't be getting my hopes up.
Eventually. Is our key and optimal word. Stahl has even mentioned the Ambassador and his love of ENT-C, however; other and more pressing issues are going to top the list before we ever see the Wolf 359 or a more dignified title for the ships. "The Best of Both Worlds Ship Pack."
Where they could be released much like the Odyssey, independently and then together as a pack, and most likely at the same cost, or slightly less depending on Tier and Console/Abilities added on. Though, that would be a bargain. A New Orleans, a Niagara and a Springfield all together.
Hum...I certainly wouldn't be interested myself if it was only t3. Pointless for high level content. I doubt they will ever put this ship in game t3 or otherwise. Seems to me that cryptic would rather add lock box ships. That seems to be there bread and butter. I won't be holding my breath.
The New Orleans is from the same era and design family as the Cheyenne, hence there should be no age issue.
To see it as an escort/destroyer and the Springfield as a complementing science vessel is a great idea - that would give us the Galaxy's little sisters as triplets, one for each profession (Cheyenne - Eng, New Orleans - Tac, Springfield - Sci).
From my personal aesthetics point of view, I'd like them to come with the Venture skin (and see it added to the Cheyenne and Nebula classes).
Before we seriously consider other games'/FASA's ships, there are enough licenced/canon ships on our plate already, Imho. Like the Ambassador, Merian, Norway, Dauntless and Steamrunner classes.
tl;dr: I am pro-Wolf 359 ships (+ with Venture skin).
Hum...I certainly wouldn't be interested myself if it was only t3. Pointless for high level content. I doubt they will ever put this ship in game t3 or otherwise. Seems to me that cryptic would rather add lock box ships. That seems to be there bread and butter. I won't be holding my breath.
Why on earth, would PWE make this ship (which is not even very old), only a T3 ship? Players LOSE....and PWE LOSES revenue by not having lots of players buy a T3 version.
I could forsee a T3 AND T5 version (like the Ambassador will be, as stated by Gecko) and say, the Excelsior)...but "just" T3? Nah...I cannot see that happening.
Why on earth, would PWE make this ship (which is not even very old), only a T3 ship? Players LOSE....and PWE LOSES revenue by not having lots of players buy a T3 version.
I could forsee a T3 AND T5 version (like the Ambassador will be, as stated by Gecko) and say, the Excelsior)...but "just" T3? Nah...I cannot see that happening.
as opposed to .. say the cheyenne ? a ship from the same battle , same period , same design family , that is t3?
if they do this ship , it'll be a heavy cruiser refit for commander level , with a t5 fleet ship version , exactly the same as the cheyenne
The New Orleans is from the same era and design family as the Cheyenne, hence there should be no age issue.
To see it as an escort/destroyer and the Springfield as a complementing science vessel is a great idea - that would give us the Galaxy's little sisters as triplets, one for each profession (Cheyenne - Eng, New Orleans - Tac, Springfield - Sci).
From my personal aesthetics point of view, I'd like them to come with the Venture skin (and see it added to the Cheyenne and Nebula classes).
Before we seriously consider other games'/FASA's ships, there are enough licenced/canon ships on our plate already, Imho. Like the Ambassador, Merian, Norway, Dauntless and Steamrunner classes.
tl;dr: I am pro-Wolf 359 ships (+ with Venture skin).
I approve of this post, with the exception of my Niagara being added in. I would see no fault in making them T3's or possibly T4's because in the end they'd be added as "Fleet" ships. Thus launching them into T5 status.
It's not a lose-lose on any part. It's a win-win, not only do they milk a crowd for the Z-Store but some will grind their ***es off to get that certain vessel. Wolf 359 vessels have seriously been neglected and I would love have them in game.
On the Steamrunner note, I'd love to have her in all her First Contact glory. =]
Oh god I love these threads.
The New Orleans class is my second favorite wolf 359 design. Second only to the springfield class, but I disagree with most of you guys on what class of ship it should be. Basically, the New Orleans should be a new skin for the advanced cruiser class, or whatever the Cheyenne family is.
I want it that way for several reasons. The biggest is that we need a traditional cruiser frame in that class of ship. Theres no fleet excelsior and its parts are not compatible with its class so it doesn't count imo. Plus if you want a traditional cruiser frame at that level you should not have to stick with an oder style design, even though its one of my all time favs.
More importantly, we already have the obvious sci-gal in the game, the nebula class. The Springfield should be the heavy escort galaxy member. This is because the Springfield has the smallest and least structurally sound frame out of all the galaxy style ships. In addition, the pod above the saucer screams torpedo launcher in a similar manner as seen on the Akira and Miranda class vessels.
But maybe this is just my love of the Springfield class overruling my objectivity. Not to side swipe the thread, but if the spring field gets made into an escort, it should be the tankiest and slowest turning one, considering its size. I guess thats the other reason I dont think the New Orleans should be an escort, its gigantic, even compared to the Chimaera, Akira, and Prometheus.
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HMmm, I guess the Cheyenne actually has the smallest frame out of all the galaxy family. But it does have four nacelles, and is already in the game as a cruiser so I dont think it hurts my argument too much.
Oh, and the only known Springfield class other than the original was named after the famous tactical officer Mr. Chekov.
If the New Orleans, Niagara, Springfield, etc. get added, they can't be just another skin - because to be a skin requires interchangeability of ship parts with other skins.
Whether they a cruisers or science vessels, they'll be ships on their on right.
If the New Orleans, Niagara, Springfield, etc. get added, they can't be just another skin - because to be a skin requires interchangeability of ship parts with other skins.
Whether they a cruisers or science vessels, they'll be ships on their on right.
As long as the class they choose is roughly the same size I feel they could fall into other ship classes.
Indeed. They cannot be anything else, but their own vessels with their own variations. They cannot be, skins, for the simple fact stated above. In addition, their unique status would only add to the Federation Shipyard's diversity. Whether they, are added as a Research, an Escort or Cruiser. Their release, in my own opinion, should be with each other as that Wolf 359/Best of Both Worlds pack.
I'd love to see them out in the game in their own right, along with the Steamrunner and the Nebula variations.
The Niagara if anything would the faster of the cruisers given her size and status as a Fast Cruiser. You're talking about a girl who can hold her own in a dog fight and would be of great assistance in a PvP battle.
The Niagara-class was a Federation fast cruiser that saw service during the 24th century.
The Niagara entered service in 2349 to complement the Istanbul-class fast cruiser already in service with Starfleet. It kept the same three-nacelle design, reversing it by having two above and the third below the engineering hull. Compared to that design the Niagara was faster, had superior cargo capacity but was less well armed.
As long as the class they choose is roughly the same size I feel they could fall into other ship classes.
It is not a matter of size but of shape. The New Orleans doesn't have her nacelles in the same place as the Cheyenne/Dakota/Stargazer, roughly. Sorry for being imprecise, I have a hard time explaining it.
I may get flamed, but if they do include the New Orleans class I sincerely hope they will do something with those pods so they are not so obviously highlighters glued to the saucer. That's always been a peeve of mine.
I'm a big fan of the Galaxy and her variant ships [Nebula, Cheyenne, New Orleans, Niagara ect.]. There are already two Galaxy variants in game, the Galaxy herself and the more mass production friendly Nebula. So we have Engineering and Science variants. I sort of feel like it wouldn't be right without a Tactical variant.
The New Orleans did pack some heavy firepower for a ship her size if I'm correct. Call it a New Orleans class destroyer or somesuch.
I'm a big fan of the Galaxy and her variant ships [Nebula, Cheyenne, New Orleans, Niagara ect.].
Eh? The Niagara has the Galaxy nacelles, the rest of it is Ambassador. In fact none of them are variants of the Galaxy in any way.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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The Niagara, New Orleans, and Springfield, etc were all made to be destroyed, however; thinking of the era they were made that little period between C and D, they're going to have varoius parts of said C and of said D. Therefore they are like as aforementioned. "The Frankenstien" fleet, happy halloween all. =]
I'm a big fan of the Galaxy and her variant ships [Nebula, Cheyenne, New Orleans, Niagara ect.]. There are already two Galaxy variants in game, the Galaxy herself and the more mass production friendly Nebula. So we have Engineering and Science variants. I sort of feel like it wouldn't be right without a Tactical variant.
The New Orleans did pack some heavy firepower for a ship her size if I'm correct. Call it a New Orleans class destroyer or somesuch.
Well, the important thing to remember about the New Orleans is that, unlike the Nebula, she was made of Galaxy parts of different sizes.
So as a result her saucer is considerably smaller and has much fewer decks than those of the Galaxy and Nebula.
So she's not as much of a "variant" and more of a distant cousin, just like the Cheyenne.;)
But I do agree that she'd make a very decent escort/destroyer for sure.
Given her actual size (close to the Prometheus) she'd work fairly well in that segment IMO.
Seems like we are reaching a consensus here. :cool:
Personally, I think a good opportunity to introduce the Galaxy's 'cousins' is to coincide it with the release of the TNG interior. That would increase the RP value, Imho.
For the record: I'd like to see the New Orleans as a tactical ship (whether called "escort" or "destroyer"). These tubes lend themselves to do connect them to a console power.
The pods...yeah probably the only thing most fans can't really agree on.
I've seen various fan ideas what those might be.
-Galaxy-style 10er torpedo tubes (like written on DITL.org in white letters)
pro:
the pods are oblong
con:
the arcs on the top pods would be weird
the bottom one is only loosely connected, making feeding the launcher difficult
the New Orleans already has a visible launcher between the saucer and the hull (like the Nebula) making the bottom launcher kinda redundant.
40 torpedoes at once would sound cool, but where can you store enough ammo on this ship?
-Pulse Phasers (AKA cannons)
con:
the New Orleans predates all known Starfleet efforts to build such weapons
if the top pods were firing forward, why put them in a place where they can only fire directly forward, upward...or thought the saucer?
-Galaxy Dreadnough-style "Mega Phasers" (3 of them)
pro:
the shape of the pods is similar
con:
ermm...where do I begin?
unless the ship comes with a 100 trillion kilometer power extension calbe to the next starbase this doesn't work.
The arcs have the same problem as on the Pulse Phaser proposal
Since we have no official stance on them, we're left to guess.
My personal guess is that they are a precursor of the modular pod on the Nebula.
But instead of one large pod, Starfleet fitted her with 3 smaller ones.
Might justify giving this ship a universal Lt like the Nebula has.
I like the ideas used so far. I would support this:
New Orleans = Heavy Destroyer
Ambassador = Cruiser
Vesta & Raven = Science Vessels
The Vesta is coming out next month, but the Raven according to Daystrom Institute Technical Library (DITL) states that it is a science vessel built for non-starfleet purposes. Now the devs can change that of course very easily.
The Vesta is coming out next month, but the Raven according to Daystrom Institute Technical Library (DITL) states that it is a science vessel built for non-starfleet purposes. Now the devs can change that of course very easily.
Considering nearly everything on the Daystrom Institute Technical Library page is fanfiction (everything in white letters) there is no reason the Devs should follow it anyway.
White Text : Anything in white is my own invention. Sometimes this is just extrapolation - I guesstimated that the Nebula class has eight phaser arrays compared to the Galaxy classes twelve, for example, because the Nebula class is slightly smaller so probably slightly less powerful. But here and there I have gone into invention meltdown, inventing entire histories for ships about which we know little. Now and again I have even made up new backgrounds to known events just to make them sound a bit more dramatic. So be warned, if it's in white you can take it or leave it!
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since the wolf 359 Frankenstein fleet is canon , it'll be in-game eventually
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Where they could be released much like the Odyssey, independently and then together as a pack, and most likely at the same cost, or slightly less depending on Tier and Console/Abilities added on. Though, that would be a bargain. A New Orleans, a Niagara and a Springfield all together.
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so is the cheyenne , thats where the fleet ships come into play :P
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The New Orleans is from the same era and design family as the Cheyenne, hence there should be no age issue.
To see it as an escort/destroyer and the Springfield as a complementing science vessel is a great idea - that would give us the Galaxy's little sisters as triplets, one for each profession (Cheyenne - Eng, New Orleans - Tac, Springfield - Sci).
From my personal aesthetics point of view, I'd like them to come with the Venture skin (and see it added to the Cheyenne and Nebula classes).
Before we seriously consider other games'/FASA's ships, there are enough licenced/canon ships on our plate already, Imho. Like the Ambassador, Merian, Norway, Dauntless and Steamrunner classes.
tl;dr: I am pro-Wolf 359 ships (+ with Venture skin).
Why on earth, would PWE make this ship (which is not even very old), only a T3 ship? Players LOSE....and PWE LOSES revenue by not having lots of players buy a T3 version.
I could forsee a T3 AND T5 version (like the Ambassador will be, as stated by Gecko) and say, the Excelsior)...but "just" T3? Nah...I cannot see that happening.
as opposed to .. say the cheyenne ? a ship from the same battle , same period , same design family , that is t3?
if they do this ship , it'll be a heavy cruiser refit for commander level , with a t5 fleet ship version , exactly the same as the cheyenne
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I approve of this post, with the exception of my Niagara being added in. I would see no fault in making them T3's or possibly T4's because in the end they'd be added as "Fleet" ships. Thus launching them into T5 status.
It's not a lose-lose on any part. It's a win-win, not only do they milk a crowd for the Z-Store but some will grind their ***es off to get that certain vessel. Wolf 359 vessels have seriously been neglected and I would love have them in game.
On the Steamrunner note, I'd love to have her in all her First Contact glory. =]
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The New Orleans class is my second favorite wolf 359 design. Second only to the springfield class, but I disagree with most of you guys on what class of ship it should be. Basically, the New Orleans should be a new skin for the advanced cruiser class, or whatever the Cheyenne family is.
I want it that way for several reasons. The biggest is that we need a traditional cruiser frame in that class of ship. Theres no fleet excelsior and its parts are not compatible with its class so it doesn't count imo. Plus if you want a traditional cruiser frame at that level you should not have to stick with an oder style design, even though its one of my all time favs.
More importantly, we already have the obvious sci-gal in the game, the nebula class. The Springfield should be the heavy escort galaxy member. This is because the Springfield has the smallest and least structurally sound frame out of all the galaxy style ships. In addition, the pod above the saucer screams torpedo launcher in a similar manner as seen on the Akira and Miranda class vessels.
But maybe this is just my love of the Springfield class overruling my objectivity. Not to side swipe the thread, but if the spring field gets made into an escort, it should be the tankiest and slowest turning one, considering its size. I guess thats the other reason I dont think the New Orleans should be an escort, its gigantic, even compared to the Chimaera, Akira, and Prometheus.
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HMmm, I guess the Cheyenne actually has the smallest frame out of all the galaxy family. But it does have four nacelles, and is already in the game as a cruiser so I dont think it hurts my argument too much.
Oh, and the only known Springfield class other than the original was named after the famous tactical officer Mr. Chekov.
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Whether they a cruisers or science vessels, they'll be ships on their on right.
As long as the class they choose is roughly the same size I feel they could fall into other ship classes.
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I'd love to see them out in the game in their own right, along with the Steamrunner and the Nebula variations.
The Niagara if anything would the faster of the cruisers given her size and status as a Fast Cruiser. You're talking about a girl who can hold her own in a dog fight and would be of great assistance in a PvP battle.
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It is not a matter of size but of shape. The New Orleans doesn't have her nacelles in the same place as the Cheyenne/Dakota/Stargazer, roughly. Sorry for being imprecise, I have a hard time explaining it.
The New Orleans did pack some heavy firepower for a ship her size if I'm correct. Call it a New Orleans class destroyer or somesuch.
Eh? The Niagara has the Galaxy nacelles, the rest of it is Ambassador. In fact none of them are variants of the Galaxy in any way.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Well, the important thing to remember about the New Orleans is that, unlike the Nebula, she was made of Galaxy parts of different sizes.
So as a result her saucer is considerably smaller and has much fewer decks than those of the Galaxy and Nebula.
So she's not as much of a "variant" and more of a distant cousin, just like the Cheyenne.;)
But I do agree that she'd make a very decent escort/destroyer for sure.
Given her actual size (close to the Prometheus) she'd work fairly well in that segment IMO.
Personally, I think a good opportunity to introduce the Galaxy's 'cousins' is to coincide it with the release of the TNG interior. That would increase the RP value, Imho.
For the record: I'd like to see the New Orleans as a tactical ship (whether called "escort" or "destroyer"). These tubes lend themselves to do connect them to a console power.
I've seen various fan ideas what those might be.
-Galaxy-style 10er torpedo tubes (like written on DITL.org in white letters)
pro:
the pods are oblong
con:
the arcs on the top pods would be weird
the bottom one is only loosely connected, making feeding the launcher difficult
the New Orleans already has a visible launcher between the saucer and the hull (like the Nebula) making the bottom launcher kinda redundant.
40 torpedoes at once would sound cool, but where can you store enough ammo on this ship?
-Pulse Phasers (AKA cannons)
con:
the New Orleans predates all known Starfleet efforts to build such weapons
if the top pods were firing forward, why put them in a place where they can only fire directly forward, upward...or thought the saucer?
-Galaxy Dreadnough-style "Mega Phasers" (3 of them)
pro:
the shape of the pods is similar
con:
ermm...where do I begin?
unless the ship comes with a 100 trillion kilometer power extension calbe to the next starbase this doesn't work.
The arcs have the same problem as on the Pulse Phaser proposal
Since we have no official stance on them, we're left to guess.
My personal guess is that they are a precursor of the modular pod on the Nebula.
But instead of one large pod, Starfleet fitted her with 3 smaller ones.
Might justify giving this ship a universal Lt like the Nebula has.
New Orleans = Heavy Destroyer
Ambassador = Cruiser
Vesta & Raven = Science Vessels
The Vesta is coming out next month, but the Raven according to Daystrom Institute Technical Library (DITL) states that it is a science vessel built for non-starfleet purposes. Now the devs can change that of course very easily.
Considering nearly everything on the Daystrom Institute Technical Library page is fanfiction (everything in white letters) there is no reason the Devs should follow it anyway.
(emphasis in red is mine)
New Orleans = Heavy Destroyer [Tac]
Springfield = Research/Science [Sci]
Ambassador = Cruiser [Eng]
I believe this is the general consensus, yes?
Would you have these come out in a pack or separately?
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