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New Orleans Class - What role?

farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
edited October 2012 in Federation Discussion
Since most books/magazines that list it as a Frigate. I see it as a Tactical role ship. If when STO gets around to add it.

When they do, Sign me up. I will be rocking this baby!
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    it'd probably work well in the ' destroyer' role similar to that new vet ship i imagine
    halfway between cruiser and escort
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    it'd probably work well in the ' destroyer' role similar to that new vet ship i imagine
    halfway between cruiser and escort

    I can see that role as well. Going what I can see on the ship. Its a more combat type ship compared to the "Explore" types.
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    well strictly speaking yes , seeing as the pods were mentioned to be torpedo / probe launchers that could work , size wise it fits too , since its around heavy cruiser in scale ( if i remember its saucer is similar in size to the cheyenne )
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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Perhaps a Destroyer, or a Deep Space Deterrence/Explorer. Destroyer Escort maybe, but she'd be a heavy destroyer escort, because I believe the above poster is correct her saucer is about as large as the Cheyenne.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited October 2012
    It should be a escort it's too good looking
    A ship to waste as a cruiser
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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well I don't know about that but if the Niagara goes out as a Cruiser then in all fairness, yes the New Orleans can be offered as the Escort alternative, now the question would be, what class would you offer as the Science/Research alternative.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    New Orleans is a frigate; therefore the STO version should be a light cruiser or light escort, with a Fleet version for endgame.

    It even looks kind of like an NX. http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/8/82/USS_Kyushu_New_Orleans_Class.jpg
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  • ccarmichael07ccarmichael07 Member Posts: 755 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The New Orleans as a Destroyer type ship like the Chimera?

    Sign me up!

    Oh, and if it came in a "Venture" style refit skin like the Galaxy? BONUS!!! :D


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  • christopherchasechristopherchase Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The New Orleans as a Destroyer type ship like the Chimera?

    Sign me up!

    Oh, and if it came in a "Venture" style refit skin like the Galaxy? BONUS!!! :D


    This. I love the look of the New Orleans and have wanted it in game since open beta. A Venture style skin for it would be awesome.

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  • christopherchasechristopherchase Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    misskorya wrote: »
    Well I don't know about that but if the Niagara goes out as a Cruiser then in all fairness, yes the New Orleans can be offered as the Escort alternative, now the question would be, what class would you offer as the Science/Research alternative.

    The science alternative could be the Springfield Class
    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/springfield.htm

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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Okay so then we have Springfield, Niagara and New Orleans, how's that for a nice lock box reward? Shall we call it Wolf 359 or a special token from our friend Q?
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  • ccarmichael07ccarmichael07 Member Posts: 755 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    misskorya wrote: »
    Okay so then we have Springfield, Niagara and New Orleans, how's that for a nice lock box reward? Shall we call it Wolf 359 or a special token from our friend Q?

    If the New Orleans went lockbox, I have to imagine the backlash and rioting would be intense.

    C-Store ship with no special console, would be just fine. But if it went lockbox, the bitter hate would be palpable to say the least.


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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    we wont see federation ships in a lockbox , only reason the wells was in was due to it being a 29th century ship , and no other real way to introduce it into the game
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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well if it Z-Store.

    All three of them presumably since they counter each other, would you want to add consoles to them? Or give them any special ability? After all they were in Wolf 359.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited October 2012
    The New Orleans class ship is a fan created
    Ship from the star trek armada game I believe

    They made hundreds of good looking ships

    I think your mistaking the Ambassador for it

    I remember watching a program about the ships used
    I'n filming wolf 359 and a lot if ships not saw
    On the shows were used I'n the scenes but
    I can't remember the ships they mentioned

    I could be wrong
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    jellico1 wrote: »
    The New Orleans class ship is a fan created
    Ship from the star trek armada game I believe

    They made hundreds of good looking ships

    I think your mistaking the Ambassador for it

    I remember watching a program about the ships used
    I'n filming wolf 359 and a lot if ships not saw
    On the shows were used I'n the scenes but
    I can't remember the ships they mentioned

    I could be wrong

    You are wrong, I'm afraid.:)
    The New Orleans is in the same wreckage scene as the Cheyenne in "Best of Both Worlds".
    So it's as "real" as that ship from an STO point of view, not a fan-creation.

    Here's an extensive article on which ships were in it with iamges and all the works:

    http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359.htm

    And it wasn't in Armada.;)
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Here's an additional link.
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I'd say they'd probably make her an escort, that way each "profession" has a ship that uses a similar looking ship design. Saying that, I'd probably prefer it being in the same mold as the Chimera-class.
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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Indeed, New Orleans, Niagara and Springfield were each featured in the Best of Both Worlds Episodes.

    So this still doesn't answer the question I posed to this thread's participants earlier.

    Would you want consoles/ability or a balance of the two? Each ship would obviously have its own unique features and do you think they'd be granted their own variations like the Cheyenne was?

    This is to say we are presuming, that the New Orleans is our Escort, the Niagara our Crusier and the Springfield our Research vessel.

    And on a different note

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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited October 2012
    The FASA Federation ship reconigition manual has some of the most sexy starfleet designs in it Ive ever saw
    Thurfir
    Andor

    and klingon ships in the klingon manual are over the top compared to what we see in this game
    The D-10
    L-6
    L-9

    cryptic could most likely buy their rights for next to nothing

    and as i mentioned before Armada fan created ships ,some were just fantastic
    all would need new skins and graphics to be compatable for this game but the designs
    were great

    and fan made ships were not paramount owned

    The New Orleans class as a escort should be 10 console Z store ship IMO
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    store ships arent ten console ships with the exception of the odyssey , which only has ten due it having 3 special consoles and its status as the flagship :rolleyes:

    as for FASA , as far as im aware they dont even have the license for star trek stuff anymore , currently mongoose doing the games if i remember http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/ctastarfleet.html

    seeing as a huge amount of the fasa stuff is fan made , getting licenses will be tricky in the least
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited October 2012
    Fasa lost there Lisence , it was pulled by Gene R himself for breaking cannon

    thats why their art work should be cheep :P

    your right about the 10 consoles it should have 9 and the fleet version the 10th
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    well the problem with that is , it wouldnt be cheap at all , since a lot of the fasa designs are being used by mongoose publishing for the starfleet battles game , and its paramount that holds the licence to those
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited October 2012
    I checked out their website you posted i didnt notice but one fasa ship other then the core starfleet ships which cryptic already has

    I dont think paramount owns Fasas artwork , but i may be wrong , i believe they own names because all these companys cryptic included use the artwork but always change the names of the ships

    such as cryptics name for the enterprise heavy cruiser is Cruiser

    they could still use the designes renamed to what ever they wished to call it because they would have to create it from the ground up for the game from a drawing in black and white

    also none of the ships i mentioned made it to the screen but existed only in artwork or a fan made ship for armada

    both places would be a great place to get concepts from
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  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    well theres the federation dreadnought for one :p not so sure on the others though
    to be perfectly honest im not sure who even owns the rights anymore , im pretty sure its paramount at the moment though , since they're the ones who licensed mongoose to do starfleet battles , points moot though , and we're going drastically off topic , this threads about the new orleans :p
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  • misskoryamisskorya Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Yes drastically far off topic, indeed. I will repost my question to the participants in this thread.
    Indeed, New Orleans, Niagara and Springfield were each featured in the Best of Both Worlds Episodes.

    So this still doesn't answer the question I posed to this thread's participants earlier.

    Would you want consoles/ability or a balance of the two? Each ship would obviously have its own unique features and do you think they'd be granted their own variations like the Cheyenne was?

    This is to say we are presuming, that the New Orleans is our Escort, the Niagara our Crusier and the Springfield our Research vessel.

    And on a different note

    I'm an in and out player due to lack of access to a computer that can play STO, so I wouldn't be the best to answer my own question thus why its posed here. I think those who play more often than I, are better to answer the questions I ask. ;)
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,804 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    New Orleans as an Escort would be fine by me. I read some (totally non-canon, mind you) stuff on it somewhere a long while back that had it pegged as originally a short-range research vessel of sorts. It originally has no torpedo launchers, just phaser arrays. This was later deemed insufficient for self-defense, and the pods you see on it were added. They, according to this non-canon source, are torpedo launchers essentially just bolted onto the hull.

    I said all that to say this.

    I think it should be an Escort with a slight Science lean. The Commander-rank version should just have an extra Ensign Sci slot.

    The C-Store version would basically just have the MVAM layout, only the Lt. Tac slot could be Universal instead. It's be a little slower turning with more hull, though.

    As for console? I think it'd make do with a slightly different iteration of the torpedo turret console from the Armitage. Instead of 360, give it a mere 90 degree firing arc. But instead of a single burst it fire a constant stream of photon torpedoes at up to three targets within the arc for a full five seconds. It'd do damage more like Torpedo Spread, not just to one target but with an AoE that could snag fighters in it while, say, pounding three carriers. A five-minute cooldown plus the significantly limited firing arc should balance it versus the torpedo turret console. (Imagine comboing that with Gravity Well and a friend snagging the same group with Tyken's. *giggles madly*)

    So yeah, basically a Destroyer, just with a definitive Science skew.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    well the problem with that is , the stuido model clearly has a torpedo launcher above the deflector
    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans/kyushu-c1.jpg
    i do like the multiple launcher idea though , would certainly work very nicely
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    rrincy wrote: »
    well theres the federation dreadnought for one :p not so sure on the others though
    to be perfectly honest im not sure who even owns the rights anymore , im pretty sure its paramount at the moment though , since they're the ones who licensed mongoose to do starfleet battles , points moot though , and we're going drastically off topic , this threads about the new orleans :p

    Sorry, but I think you got FASA and ADB confused.

    Amarillo Design Bureau, who make Starfleet Battles have the rights to the Dreadnought featured in the Star Fleet Technical Manual.
    FASA didn't have rights to that or feature it.
    And ADB is still in business and has an active license.
    It's just that they have partnered with Mongoose to do their Starline 2500 minis.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    oh , fair enough then , i thought it was a FASA design ;p
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