well strictly speaking yes , seeing as the pods were mentioned to be torpedo / probe launchers that could work , size wise it fits too , since its around heavy cruiser in scale ( if i remember its saucer is similar in size to the cheyenne )
Perhaps a Destroyer, or a Deep Space Deterrence/Explorer. Destroyer Escort maybe, but she'd be a heavy destroyer escort, because I believe the above poster is correct her saucer is about as large as the Cheyenne.
It should be a escort it's too good looking
A ship to waste as a cruiser
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Well I don't know about that but if the Niagara goes out as a Cruiser then in all fairness, yes the New Orleans can be offered as the Escort alternative, now the question would be, what class would you offer as the Science/Research alternative.
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Well I don't know about that but if the Niagara goes out as a Cruiser then in all fairness, yes the New Orleans can be offered as the Escort alternative, now the question would be, what class would you offer as the Science/Research alternative.
Okay so then we have Springfield, Niagara and New Orleans, how's that for a nice lock box reward? Shall we call it Wolf 359 or a special token from our friend Q?
Okay so then we have Springfield, Niagara and New Orleans, how's that for a nice lock box reward? Shall we call it Wolf 359 or a special token from our friend Q?
If the New Orleans went lockbox, I have to imagine the backlash and rioting would be intense.
C-Store ship with no special console, would be just fine. But if it went lockbox, the bitter hate would be palpable to say the least.
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I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
we wont see federation ships in a lockbox , only reason the wells was in was due to it being a 29th century ship , and no other real way to introduce it into the game
All three of them presumably since they counter each other, would you want to add consoles to them? Or give them any special ability? After all they were in Wolf 359.
The New Orleans class ship is a fan created
Ship from the star trek armada game I believe
They made hundreds of good looking ships
I think your mistaking the Ambassador for it
I remember watching a program about the ships used
I'n filming wolf 359 and a lot if ships not saw
On the shows were used I'n the scenes but
I can't remember the ships they mentioned
I could be wrong
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The New Orleans class ship is a fan created
Ship from the star trek armada game I believe
They made hundreds of good looking ships
I think your mistaking the Ambassador for it
I remember watching a program about the ships used
I'n filming wolf 359 and a lot if ships not saw
On the shows were used I'n the scenes but
I can't remember the ships they mentioned
I could be wrong
You are wrong, I'm afraid.:)
The New Orleans is in the same wreckage scene as the Cheyenne in "Best of Both Worlds".
So it's as "real" as that ship from an STO point of view, not a fan-creation.
Here's an extensive article on which ships were in it with iamges and all the works:
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I'd say they'd probably make her an escort, that way each "profession" has a ship that uses a similar looking ship design. Saying that, I'd probably prefer it being in the same mold as the Chimera-class.
Indeed, New Orleans, Niagara and Springfield were each featured in the Best of Both Worlds Episodes.
So this still doesn't answer the question I posed to this thread's participants earlier.
Would you want consoles/ability or a balance of the two? Each ship would obviously have its own unique features and do you think they'd be granted their own variations like the Cheyenne was?
This is to say we are presuming, that the New Orleans is our Escort, the Niagara our Crusier and the Springfield our Research vessel.
The FASA Federation ship reconigition manual has some of the most sexy starfleet designs in it Ive ever saw
Thurfir
Andor
and klingon ships in the klingon manual are over the top compared to what we see in this game
The D-10
L-6
L-9
cryptic could most likely buy their rights for next to nothing
and as i mentioned before Armada fan created ships ,some were just fantastic
all would need new skins and graphics to be compatable for this game but the designs
were great
and fan made ships were not paramount owned
The New Orleans class as a escort should be 10 console Z store ship IMO
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store ships arent ten console ships with the exception of the odyssey , which only has ten due it having 3 special consoles and its status as the flagship :rolleyes:
Fasa lost there Lisence , it was pulled by Gene R himself for breaking cannon
thats why their art work should be cheep :P
your right about the 10 consoles it should have 9 and the fleet version the 10th
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well the problem with that is , it wouldnt be cheap at all , since a lot of the fasa designs are being used by mongoose publishing for the starfleet battles game , and its paramount that holds the licence to those
I checked out their website you posted i didnt notice but one fasa ship other then the core starfleet ships which cryptic already has
I dont think paramount owns Fasas artwork , but i may be wrong , i believe they own names because all these companys cryptic included use the artwork but always change the names of the ships
such as cryptics name for the enterprise heavy cruiser is Cruiser
they could still use the designes renamed to what ever they wished to call it because they would have to create it from the ground up for the game from a drawing in black and white
also none of the ships i mentioned made it to the screen but existed only in artwork or a fan made ship for armada
both places would be a great place to get concepts from
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
well theres the federation dreadnought for one not so sure on the others though
to be perfectly honest im not sure who even owns the rights anymore , im pretty sure its paramount at the moment though , since they're the ones who licensed mongoose to do starfleet battles , points moot though , and we're going drastically off topic , this threads about the new orleans
Yes drastically far off topic, indeed. I will repost my question to the participants in this thread.
Indeed, New Orleans, Niagara and Springfield were each featured in the Best of Both Worlds Episodes.
So this still doesn't answer the question I posed to this thread's participants earlier.
Would you want consoles/ability or a balance of the two? Each ship would obviously have its own unique features and do you think they'd be granted their own variations like the Cheyenne was?
This is to say we are presuming, that the New Orleans is our Escort, the Niagara our Crusier and the Springfield our Research vessel.
And on a different note
I'm an in and out player due to lack of access to a computer that can play STO, so I wouldn't be the best to answer my own question thus why its posed here. I think those who play more often than I, are better to answer the questions I ask.
New Orleans as an Escort would be fine by me. I read some (totally non-canon, mind you) stuff on it somewhere a long while back that had it pegged as originally a short-range research vessel of sorts. It originally has no torpedo launchers, just phaser arrays. This was later deemed insufficient for self-defense, and the pods you see on it were added. They, according to this non-canon source, are torpedo launchers essentially just bolted onto the hull.
I said all that to say this.
I think it should be an Escort with a slight Science lean. The Commander-rank version should just have an extra Ensign Sci slot.
The C-Store version would basically just have the MVAM layout, only the Lt. Tac slot could be Universal instead. It's be a little slower turning with more hull, though.
As for console? I think it'd make do with a slightly different iteration of the torpedo turret console from the Armitage. Instead of 360, give it a mere 90 degree firing arc. But instead of a single burst it fire a constant stream of photon torpedoes at up to three targets within the arc for a full five seconds. It'd do damage more like Torpedo Spread, not just to one target but with an AoE that could snag fighters in it while, say, pounding three carriers. A five-minute cooldown plus the significantly limited firing arc should balance it versus the torpedo turret console. (Imagine comboing that with Gravity Well and a friend snagging the same group with Tyken's. *giggles madly*)
So yeah, basically a Destroyer, just with a definitive Science skew.
well theres the federation dreadnought for one not so sure on the others though
to be perfectly honest im not sure who even owns the rights anymore , im pretty sure its paramount at the moment though , since they're the ones who licensed mongoose to do starfleet battles , points moot though , and we're going drastically off topic , this threads about the new orleans
Sorry, but I think you got FASA and ADB confused.
Amarillo Design Bureau, who make Starfleet Battles have the rights to the Dreadnought featured in the Star Fleet Technical Manual.
FASA didn't have rights to that or feature it.
And ADB is still in business and has an active license.
It's just that they have partnered with Mongoose to do their Starline 2500 minis.
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halfway between cruiser and escort
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I can see that role as well. Going what I can see on the ship. Its a more combat type ship compared to the "Explore" types.
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A ship to waste as a cruiser
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It even looks kind of like an NX. http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/8/82/USS_Kyushu_New_Orleans_Class.jpg
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Sign me up!
Oh, and if it came in a "Venture" style refit skin like the Galaxy? BONUS!!!
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
This. I love the look of the New Orleans and have wanted it in game since open beta. A Venture style skin for it would be awesome.
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I've been here since Open Beta
The science alternative could be the Springfield Class
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/springfield.htm
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If the New Orleans went lockbox, I have to imagine the backlash and rioting would be intense.
C-Store ship with no special console, would be just fine. But if it went lockbox, the bitter hate would be palpable to say the least.
"You shoot him, I shoot you, I leave both your bodies here and go out for a late night snack.
I'm thinking maybe pancakes." ~ John Casey
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
All three of them presumably since they counter each other, would you want to add consoles to them? Or give them any special ability? After all they were in Wolf 359.
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Ship from the star trek armada game I believe
They made hundreds of good looking ships
I think your mistaking the Ambassador for it
I remember watching a program about the ships used
I'n filming wolf 359 and a lot if ships not saw
On the shows were used I'n the scenes but
I can't remember the ships they mentioned
I could be wrong
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
You are wrong, I'm afraid.:)
The New Orleans is in the same wreckage scene as the Cheyenne in "Best of Both Worlds".
So it's as "real" as that ship from an STO point of view, not a fan-creation.
Here's an extensive article on which ships were in it with iamges and all the works:
http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359.htm
And it wasn't in Armada.;)
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So this still doesn't answer the question I posed to this thread's participants earlier.
Would you want consoles/ability or a balance of the two? Each ship would obviously have its own unique features and do you think they'd be granted their own variations like the Cheyenne was?
This is to say we are presuming, that the New Orleans is our Escort, the Niagara our Crusier and the Springfield our Research vessel.
And on a different note
/rant
WHY ISN'T THE STEAMRUNNER IN HERE!?
/end rant.
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Thurfir
Andor
and klingon ships in the klingon manual are over the top compared to what we see in this game
The D-10
L-6
L-9
cryptic could most likely buy their rights for next to nothing
and as i mentioned before Armada fan created ships ,some were just fantastic
all would need new skins and graphics to be compatable for this game but the designs
were great
and fan made ships were not paramount owned
The New Orleans class as a escort should be 10 console Z store ship IMO
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
as for FASA , as far as im aware they dont even have the license for star trek stuff anymore , currently mongoose doing the games if i remember http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/ctastarfleet.html
seeing as a huge amount of the fasa stuff is fan made , getting licenses will be tricky in the least
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thats why their art work should be cheep :P
your right about the 10 consoles it should have 9 and the fleet version the 10th
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
I dont think paramount owns Fasas artwork , but i may be wrong , i believe they own names because all these companys cryptic included use the artwork but always change the names of the ships
such as cryptics name for the enterprise heavy cruiser is Cruiser
they could still use the designes renamed to what ever they wished to call it because they would have to create it from the ground up for the game from a drawing in black and white
also none of the ships i mentioned made it to the screen but existed only in artwork or a fan made ship for armada
both places would be a great place to get concepts from
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
to be perfectly honest im not sure who even owns the rights anymore , im pretty sure its paramount at the moment though , since they're the ones who licensed mongoose to do starfleet battles , points moot though , and we're going drastically off topic , this threads about the new orleans
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
I'm an in and out player due to lack of access to a computer that can play STO, so I wouldn't be the best to answer my own question thus why its posed here. I think those who play more often than I, are better to answer the questions I ask.
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I said all that to say this.
I think it should be an Escort with a slight Science lean. The Commander-rank version should just have an extra Ensign Sci slot.
The C-Store version would basically just have the MVAM layout, only the Lt. Tac slot could be Universal instead. It's be a little slower turning with more hull, though.
As for console? I think it'd make do with a slightly different iteration of the torpedo turret console from the Armitage. Instead of 360, give it a mere 90 degree firing arc. But instead of a single burst it fire a constant stream of photon torpedoes at up to three targets within the arc for a full five seconds. It'd do damage more like Torpedo Spread, not just to one target but with an AoE that could snag fighters in it while, say, pounding three carriers. A five-minute cooldown plus the significantly limited firing arc should balance it versus the torpedo turret console. (Imagine comboing that with Gravity Well and a friend snagging the same group with Tyken's. *giggles madly*)
So yeah, basically a Destroyer, just with a definitive Science skew.
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http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans/kyushu-c1.jpg
i do like the multiple launcher idea though , would certainly work very nicely
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Sorry, but I think you got FASA and ADB confused.
Amarillo Design Bureau, who make Starfleet Battles have the rights to the Dreadnought featured in the Star Fleet Technical Manual.
FASA didn't have rights to that or feature it.
And ADB is still in business and has an active license.
It's just that they have partnered with Mongoose to do their Starline 2500 minis.
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U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016