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Ground STFs die at season 7 launch?
jellico1
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The new marks system will allow players
To spend there marks to buy anything they wish
Space gear or ground gear.
Great right?
Well cure ground is hell without a veteran pre made
Team, the teams exist to get new fleet members the
Good ground gear. Now you can buy this from doing
Easy short pug space missions.
Cure ground will be lonely
Infected ground will be lonely
Kitometer ground is kinda fun almost
So what is going to happen to keep people doing
These very hard ground missions compared to
The equally rewarding short space missions
As far as I am concerned the ground rewards
Should be double or triple to space missions
They are that much harder and time consuming
Except for a small few elite players I'n pre made
Teams
Nothing will be done about it probably so I will
Join everyone else grinding the easy fast space
STFs
If the reward matched the difficulty it might
Be differnt though
To spend there marks to buy anything they wish
Space gear or ground gear.
Great right?
Well cure ground is hell without a veteran pre made
Team, the teams exist to get new fleet members the
Good ground gear. Now you can buy this from doing
Easy short pug space missions.
Cure ground will be lonely
Infected ground will be lonely
Kitometer ground is kinda fun almost
So what is going to happen to keep people doing
These very hard ground missions compared to
The equally rewarding short space missions
As far as I am concerned the ground rewards
Should be double or triple to space missions
They are that much harder and time consuming
Except for a small few elite players I'n pre made
Teams
Nothing will be done about it probably so I will
Join everyone else grinding the easy fast space
STFs
If the reward matched the difficulty it might
Be differnt though
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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Plus, M.A.C.O. Team Commander still needs grabs. I can imagine the frustrated men at anywhere still needing the Optional Objectives for the ground missions.
1. Because you can 'just buy' what you need, as you point out, more people will have the sets which means at least if people don't have a clue, they will have the necessary equipment (instant remodulator and arguably the best non-fleet gear for STF's)
2. Because you won't need to wait for the stuff to drop, you won't feel that need to do the STF's over and over again in order to get the shield or whatever because, as you say, you will be able to 'just buy whatever you wish'. You will do them for fun and not for the gear, which is an entirely different experience. This, I guarantee you (being someone who has all the gear and all the optionals) will take away all the irritation you might feel when doing pugs. Incidentally, I would also like to point out for the record that ALL my optionals for Space and Ground, Normal and Elite were achieved in public groups - yes, even CGE and IGE.
I do have to agree with you about the rewards. The ground rewards should definitely be higher.
Not really. It's just that the enemies are quite durable. And they hurt. A lot. Tbh, getting one-shotted by elite tac drones through my mk XII maco set does get old after a while.
If that isn't FUBAR your definition of FUBAR needs a check. STF ground combat bears absolutly no playstyle similarities with the pre-STF ground combat or the STF space combat. Both the latter two are slow paced with a great deal of emphesis on careful use of the right ability and the right boff build.
STF ground combat is a super twitch reflexes shooter with littile if any emphesis on carful anything. It's simply spam your best attacks as fast as possibbl until one side is dead. Eve abilities that you do have go on the back burner becuase the lifespan of the enemies, (if they don't kill you first), is s short the overall effect is svererly muted. Their there, but compared to good gear and being able to twicth reflex dodge/swiotch target/hit hypos and sheild charges their very minor.
And if the previous half of your post wasn't a sign things are FUBAR, this definetly is.
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Good.
I hope these missions are abandoned by the player-base.
Maybe then, the devs will realize that they need to prioritize a proper ground revamp including kit balancing, player/NPC shields & hit points.
This complete overhaul, making the folks who already geared out mk x, xi and, xii grind through AGAIN to build up the "reputation" tiers.
I'm not saying instantly give these players (of which I am not one, I've only got MK XI gear) but give them SOMETHING for the work they've put in.
If, like starbases, these new reputation systems have multiple tiers then provide a majority of the first tier, or the "reputation marks/credits" equivelant to that level of completion.
Honestly the thing that gets me most about this is that these are going to be yet ANOTHER drain on the player bases already bruised Dilithium reserves.
For someone with so much experience , it's surprising that you are wrong .
Even pugs were getting better with the current system because many ppl eventually improved (both by weapon choices and gaming knowledge) .
By sidestepping most of the grind , ppl will be sidestepping most of the knowledge as well .
What you will have instead will be LOADS of players in sets that are the easiest to obtain , with little knowledge and even less (positive) memories .
In short , the lowest common denominator .
OTOTH , some "Vets" will continue grinding because for them that is still the best this game has to offer ... , no matter how many times Cryptic tries to ruin (errr.. I mean "improve") the experience .
But I agree that this will likely enlarge the STF playerbase on the short term (especially on Easy) and shrink the STF playerbase on the long term .
I find this a bit sad (as this is pretty much all I do in this game anymore) .
Seriously though, people that don't like ground missions don't do them now, so it's no different. I haven't ran a ground mission in years.
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And tacs are considered to be the best class for STFs.
Im sorry (and i really hate to use this term), but you need to learn to play, with a decent team the ground STFs are easy and completed in 20mins, OHKs in endgame instances is right, they are meant to be hard, show me an MMO with easy endgame content.
its very cliched but if you are finding elites too hard then go back to normals, most of us who have been around for a long time and have completed hundreds of STFs are desparate for a real challenge
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OHK in an MMO are ntoyhing more than a sign of an utterlly terriblle design. They should NEVER happen. In a game with as littile self and cross healing as this and as fast a RoF for enemies 4 hit kills should be rare.
Speaking as someone who's done a lot of endgame comment in a number of games. I've never seen that from BASIC mobs. (boss mobs and elite are a little different)
in STO you have shields' you have body armor. Bypassing shields isnt supposed to be possible except through transphasic weapons or having a specific frequency. Neither of which the borg employ especially on their ground troops. OHKO is a cheap way of increasing the difficulty level with no reason to. You have on this supposedly superior equipment and it gets ripped through like it isnt even there by BASIC mobs? Come on man surely you can see the problem in that.
Even Boss/Elite mobs are only OHK on dedicated healers at worst, and only in MMO's with dedicated tanks. Even then most of them will let the Healer et al take a couple of hits so the tank can grab aggro back. For a game like STO where there's no dedicated Squishy or Tough class it's tottally unheard of. Tr multiplying all the playe and elite mobs health and sheild points, (and sheild/HP regen), by about 5 and we'll be getting somwhere, though an expose/exploit overhaul would be good too IMHO.
Ground is harder than space, at first. However once you get use to it, pic and use your kits effectively, and use the right weapon for the right job, + a bit of team co-ordination, it becomes a dwaddle.
If you're getting knocked out in one go by elite tactical drones constantly, then your not playing right. Yes, i've on the rare occcasion got knocked out by an elite tactical drone, but that was because i was on half health and no shields and an unlucky crit.
I play a tactical space based trill with the Squad Leader and MACO set, at points if i'm lucky, i can tank Rebecca on IGE for a while whilst a squishier fellow jumps around to get some of the team up. My damage is respectable but nowhere near what those operative/ambush kit users can do with the right weapons.
and those tanky sciences and bomb squad engineers, damn they are good.
In the longest way possible i'm saying learn to play ground, your not going to get anywhere running into a room like Arnie in Commando. We need a harder STFs not easier ones. Some of us want a challenge.
Tell me that?
As the guy above says, Elite STFs are fine if you know what you are doing, you need to L2P....when you can do IGE and get the option with 2 minutes left on the clock and kill Becky in 30 seconds then you can have a valid opinion on STF diffculty
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Or from Becky's lighting chain attack....
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Personally, I enjoy the ground missions....
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People get one shot because they join an elite stf with a jem'hadar set and a minigun, with the worst ground kit they can find (turrets for engs, geologist for scis and security protocol for tacs). Why the jem'hadar set? Because it's purple, and if it's purple it means it rocks! :rolleyes:
Of course none of them can understand that a green mk x anti plasma shield will be better than their lololol jem'hadar super-mega great set, because they didn't take anytime to read the wiki.
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