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levi3
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There has been some chatter that cryptic intends to further make dilth grinding harder after the LTS sale ends.
The primary way they intend to do this is to remove the quickie "investgate officer daily reports" - you will still be able to do them just they will remove the capacity to go to a panel and do all 3 in just a minute or 2.
That is the main chatter I here as the next nerf to dilth grinding - they already nerfed contraband turn over recently fro 3 to 5 and from 2hr to 4 hr.
I suspect there are other ideas in the works to drastcally reduce the amount of dilth that can be collected.
The whole purpose is of course to force people to buy Zen with real money to convert to dilth.
Now there will be people say "but what about the dilth market, it will get out of wack"
No it won't - from watching it for 9 months and watching the stock market for 20 years - I can say will strong confidence that i believe they are already in there keeping the price consant and stable by addind dilth when need be. Over the last few weeks the dilth market has not budged 1 or 2 points a day and there have been hundreds of thousand of dilth on both the buy and the ask. The last lock box only moved it out of it's fixed range for a very short time.
It is clear that it is being manipulate - my bet is on Cryptic and not some players because the movement up or down is almost non existant. And just like the Federal reserve printing money - Crptic is the only ones that can just "print" dilth out of nothing.
So after the LTS sale is over and the do start hitting dilth grinding with a huge nerf bat - how will this affect your game?
Will you use more real money to buy dilth?
Will you stop all starbase projects?
Will you spend more of you time in the game to grind dilth?
Will you quite the game?(of course there will be 1000's more locked into the game with the LTS sale - so I guess you won't quite if the nerf dilth collection some more)
What are your thoughts?
The primary way they intend to do this is to remove the quickie "investgate officer daily reports" - you will still be able to do them just they will remove the capacity to go to a panel and do all 3 in just a minute or 2.
That is the main chatter I here as the next nerf to dilth grinding - they already nerfed contraband turn over recently fro 3 to 5 and from 2hr to 4 hr.
I suspect there are other ideas in the works to drastcally reduce the amount of dilth that can be collected.
The whole purpose is of course to force people to buy Zen with real money to convert to dilth.
Now there will be people say "but what about the dilth market, it will get out of wack"
No it won't - from watching it for 9 months and watching the stock market for 20 years - I can say will strong confidence that i believe they are already in there keeping the price consant and stable by addind dilth when need be. Over the last few weeks the dilth market has not budged 1 or 2 points a day and there have been hundreds of thousand of dilth on both the buy and the ask. The last lock box only moved it out of it's fixed range for a very short time.
It is clear that it is being manipulate - my bet is on Cryptic and not some players because the movement up or down is almost non existant. And just like the Federal reserve printing money - Crptic is the only ones that can just "print" dilth out of nothing.
So after the LTS sale is over and the do start hitting dilth grinding with a huge nerf bat - how will this affect your game?
Will you use more real money to buy dilth?
Will you stop all starbase projects?
Will you spend more of you time in the game to grind dilth?
Will you quite the game?(of course there will be 1000's more locked into the game with the LTS sale - so I guess you won't quite if the nerf dilth collection some more)
What are your thoughts?
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And even ignoring the quickies, you can still earn roughly 8000+ Dil in less than 2 hours.
Boo hoo if you now actually have to play the game to get certain rewards.
There is no post(from a dev anyway) that says anything like that.
My Common Sense is tingling.....
Documentation please...this seems like speculation, albeit reasonable and consistent with their previous patterns..
Nothing definitive (when is there ever?) but some of the Foundry authors have been talking about it here.
Perhaps Kirksplat could give you info on his sources.
It was in a post about new foundry changes. Even Community Mod Syberghost mentioned it. Maybe he would like to elaborate?
I would call it more an exploit prevention then a nerf.
the crytic control the market seems to pop up no matter what the cost is. when it was in the 300's people said the same thing.
cryptic would ideally want the price to be higher than it is. it is super cheap to trade for zen at the moment and the price is so low that its not ideal to sell zen to get dilithium for starbases. so they are losing on both counts. if they were controlling it they would want the price to be much higher than it is now. at least 250.
the prices have come way down because of the constant use of starbase requirements, yet no one wants to really sell their dilithium for less than what is going for so its just hanging around this area.
why dont you wait until something changes, if it changes and how it changes first?
- I'm opposed to buy keys. I don't play the casino IRL and i don't want to become an addict.
- I don't see the point of developping the starbase. The lockboxes and exchanges have better items to offer- for cheaper.
- I don't see the point of buying c-store ships anymore, since the lockbox ones are vastly superior. Whatever ship they release the lockbox ones would still be able to kick it badly in the TRIBBLE.
- I already own a galor, a recluse, an orb, both temporal ships, shuttles, stuff, more stuff... I'm a bit unimpressed by any new shiny they could release.
Soooo, I don't need dilithium anymore. I've bought all these ships from the exchange, and since I own among the most blatant pay to win, cheated, cheater ships, I think the lifetime is the last piece of cash they'll ever get from me. Zens have no value for me anymore since what you can buy with them has no value to me. Even if they release even more OP pay to win ships in the store I think i'll sit there with what I have since it's an unending process.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
In fairness, if they nerf what is essentially to I suspect 95-99% of the playerbase, an exploit of the system I don't mind.
Well I do, I mean I use the quickies to grab dilithium, and it'd be a shame to lose that - but I can totally understand it.
Now if they nerf the amount of Dilithium from STFs, Mirror Events, PVP etc etc, then I'd encourage people to be upset.
Lockbox ships are infiriour to fleet ships. Of course ATM thats not a major balance concern, but it may become one as time goes on.
Really? I was under the impression that the Bug was still more desirable that the Fleet Defiant because of it's Boff layout..?
The intent was to get people to buy dilth - wilth Zen that was purchased with real money and not get as much dilth for starbases through grinding. The coming changes to nerf the dilth grinding - and I just don't think they have the Officer reports in mind - is to force people to open their wallet and buy more zen.
But like I said these changes won't happen until after the LTS sale is over and a lot more people are locked in - so there is still some time to collect dilth.
Oh no they aren't, especially with the special consoles. Better stats, more universals, special goodies, what else do you need?
Back on topic:
Whatever the 'fix' is, there will be a workaround. No one should worry about that. It might not be as easy as it is currenty but I can already imagine some tricks to overcome this issue. It might be even worse, considering the fact that a stf lasts 20 minutes, if they want the foundry content to be 'competitive'. And it has to be competitive if they want to give an incentive to authors (every single one of them, including myself, is creating missions for prestige to some extent, so we need people to play the missions).
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
I think 90% of the players probably do the daily officer reports as a "quckie" - So a lot of players will be affected by this change.
And Like I said do they have any other dilth nerfs in mind as well?
Nothing that's been mentioned - there's no point in nerfing the Lore missions since the payout is tiny - the only other 'Cryptic clickie' is in Defera space which you'd do as part of a Defera run anyway.
Personally I'm hoping the rewards are added to the Foundry missions rather than taking the 'Investigate Officer Reports' mission away - besides, the starbases are enough of a Dilithium sink as it is, and if the reputation system is based on starbase advancement, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Dilithium tax in there somewhere too...
If this is true (and knowing PWE is evil enough to do it,and yes I said it...Perfect World = Evil) do they really think this will go over well with the current playerbase?
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
And of course, I only found out about quickies yesterday when my friend told me about them. "Oh yeah, they're made to farm."
So, yeeeaah. Sounds like an exploit to me. That's the real problem with user created content - folks will abuse it. I remember with another game brought theirs out... people were getting to max level in a matter of hours by playing UGC filled with weak or attackless enemies
UGC is great. Just, no rewards, please. Let it be there for folks who want to practice things, make great stories, tough challenges, etc. Once there's benefit beyond the enjoyment of the game, it turns into exploit-ville.
My blog! Zen|Dilithium tracking on Thursdays
http://samonmaui.blogspot.com
As a lifetime member of STO, I officially became a financial liability as of April 2012 when compared to a subscriber.
Even then, I suspect a lot of people don't even know they exist, heck I know they're there but I still get all my dilithium from STFs.
The intentions of the daily are to play 3 foundry missions, not click 3 consoles for a quick exploit. Granted, the time gate isn't implemented well, since it's nearly impossible to play 3 actual foundry missions in one hour.
Yes, this is going away IF the NW's new foundry rewards system is implemented. How it works: You get a reward based on the average playtime of the mission.
Goodbye console clickers and good riddance. I'm sorry if this angers the dilithium grinders who exploit the Foundry while clogging up the "hot" list.
But, it's great for the Foundry community. You guys might actually play our missions and discover that there are some great stories in this game.
If you dont care how long it takes, then you wont mind it taking you longer after they fix this exploit
Grinded my way to an f2p carrier purely on stf speaking.
Strictly speaking from my own perspective but I am way more concerned what to grind dil or zen for
I have the 2 ships I like the best and nothing beats wearing omega anyway so what are we doing here
Spend 550 zen on uniforms for bridge officers I never use or 2500 zen to get the tos bridge, on a bridge that's essentially useless I can't even travel from ?
How you people played this for years is beyond me, the same 3 stf maps over and over and over
I had to watch movies on my laptop to not crazy and that was just a couple of months
Note: The only things actually confirmed for STO:
1. Spotlighted missions will have rewards attached soon(tm).
2. There is a general hope to bring in NW Foundry features.
3. DanStahl generally agrees that the Foundry needs a better rewards system.
Now, what is confirmed for NW can be found summarized at sbugc, with links to the Mapolis posts at the NW forums. I'm a bit too lazy to relink all of them, but you can find the original links at that page.
Here are the dev quotes regarding NW's Foundry rewards:
Untrue. Foundry stuff is good for its own sake. I've played a number of missions without even doing the 'Daily Officer' reports.
When I want a good mission I fire up the Foundry. When I want dilithium I grab a few quickie missions. For me, this has worked out well. I imagine it works for a lot of people in a similar manner. That said, given the actual amount of Foundry use up til now, that is probably not the case for the majority of players.