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paxottoman
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I'm getting complaints about my fleet members using scramble sensors. This is either due to a bug or because the victims do not have appropriate counters for it.
Either way, if you are bugged by SS. Fraps yourself being scrambled, and then after effect of the bug. If you are strictly complaining about SS because it's annoying, well that's just something you need to work on.
Provide proof it is in fact broken being broken as we have been running tests to prove this. There have not been any tangible results to say the least. The running of scramble sensors is not vindictive by Turkish RP Heroes. If you decide to discuss your disgruntlement, we can arrange a meeting. Proof on these forums will promp the Devs to fix this problem, just like how they fixed the weapons stop firing problem.
I'm PaxOttomana and I approve this message.
-PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes (RP somehow stands for SS).
Either way, if you are bugged by SS. Fraps yourself being scrambled, and then after effect of the bug. If you are strictly complaining about SS because it's annoying, well that's just something you need to work on.
Provide proof it is in fact broken being broken as we have been running tests to prove this. There have not been any tangible results to say the least. The running of scramble sensors is not vindictive by Turkish RP Heroes. If you decide to discuss your disgruntlement, we can arrange a meeting. Proof on these forums will promp the Devs to fix this problem, just like how they fixed the weapons stop firing problem.
I'm PaxOttomana and I approve this message.
-PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes (RP somehow stands for SS).
Turkish RP Heroes
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As for SS, who cares, really? You're hardpressed to go into any PVP anymore and not get SS'ed or AMS'ed into oblivion.
@Aquitaine985
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We have found that AMS causes this. And have written a ticket about it.
Points into sensors drastically reduce the time in which you are scrambled. Also, if you are scrambled and then you are cleared by immunity/expiry and then AMS'd, the immunity is not working correctly. In other words, you're supposed to be immune to AMS as well after being scrambled. However, if you are scrambled again during your immunity, you will not be scrambled.
We have tested this along side with Warlord of TRIBBLE.
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Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Borticus, I know Devs have in previous times visited other teamspeaks, vents, etc of other pvp fleets. Our fleet Turkish RP Heroes hosts a teamspeak addressed to all PvP players whom choose to use it.
I would like to invite you to this TS to perhaps discuss some of the things we can give feed back to you on an already very difficult job that's been given to you.
Our address is internationalpvp.typefrag.com:62245, should you decide to pay us a visit let us know when, so we can compile a forthcoming discussion that can be directed to you.
@PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes (We're not really an RP fleet).
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Not sure when it Started happening again but it has been back for atleast a few weeks, If you die when you are scrambled you have to log out and log back in or none of your powers will work.
Quote of the week:
Slightly different from my experince. My self targeting heals/buffs worked but weapons were off line for a while. Thanks to this glitch(fair to call an exploit) and scramble sensors not working in STF's I've removed it from my builds for tractor beams or tractor beam repulsors.
Indeed its so fun to have to log off 2-3 times a match... well I guess for the guys that die... you would think Pax would be very familiar with the workings of this bug.
Wait... they are... which is why all there teams revolve around 4 copies.
Ooooooooohhhh, you mean that garbage that lasts 2 secs with points into sensors... -_-
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Beta - Wells
Yep. If you have AMS or a scramble (mostly it seems to happen with SS 3, but that may be the result of the length of the scram) and die, there is a chance that most if not all of your tray will work. Occasionally you will get one power that you can activate, but it may only activate on yourself rather than just any target, specifically heals like Sci Team.
The workaround is to die again, or preferably log on and off. This seems to resolve the issue. The buttons don't gray out necessarily, you just can't activate any of them. It's happening often enough now that if I die I am activating a power on myself at spawn to see if I need to respawn.
Thanks Borticus!
Show me proof of the @handle complaining, and it will be dealt with. Go ahead do that. Stop trying to hijack a civil discussion with your personal vendetta/none sense.
Re-logging is the current and immediate solution to the problem. If you have a better one, please let the whole world know about it. If you have nothing constructive to add or help with solving this problem, then you should try to at least refrain from the animosity you just posted.
-PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes.
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It's funny to see x accusing y bc y uses subnuc doffs. Then y accuses x bc x uses scramble/ams. Lol.
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Video proof will go far and large on solving this problem. Mavairo and Sivar made one for the weapons turning off bug and it was taken care of immediately.
These complaints about SS have been going on for a very long time and mostly from Critz. I'm bewildered by the fact of the matter of a fleet with such resources, can't put together a test video to solve this issue that has bothered them for so long.
We have tried, in fact tested it with 4monkeys of Sad Pandas and found nothing. Although, I was adamant that it was SS and discussed it with Thales, we never managed link it to SS.
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Rally pax the fact that you feel you need to create a thread tells me all I need to know. You know exactly what is wrong with it... you just don't care. You choose to run it anyway.
I do have a better solution to logging out its... called not fighting Turkish Scramble Heros. Of course to be honest I enjoyed all the game I got with you guys regardless of the TRIBBLE you choose to bring.
Frankly are the games where we didn't scramble you back not more fun ? My 386dx2 can't handle fraps or I would have tired to get one of the match that had you guys logging in and out as well.... seeing as we decided to fight scramble with scramble. lmao
If they're logging in and logging out to fix the glitch immediately they know exactly what they are doing and should catch some kind of hell for knowingly exploiting a glitch that further alienates people away from this games already troubled PVP.
Whoa. Hey, I created this thread. I also asked people to try work together to fix it and provide proof for the devs to do a look see. Now because we took the initiative to recommend an in game fix shouldn't be interpreted as a vindictive notion.
Now once again, if you don't do anything about it, the Devs will interpret this thread as untenable like a lot of the other bugs in this game people prefer to be upset about rather than help fix. Help fix, or go home.
We respect you fellas enough to take your word of the existence of this bug despite testing and finding nothing. Furthermore offering an in game fix. I think we did our due diligence when it comes to trying to satisfy your disgruntlement. Now it's time for you to prove this bug's existence to the devs so they sort it out. Otherwise, you can continue to be upset and try to tarnish our fleet name all you want.
At the end of the day, this post and thread will depict one thing should you decide to take that road. You accept that there is no bug, and did nothing about and are upset because you do not know how to counter SS. All other levies aside, provide proof that's all.
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But not publicly. Please PM me the steps. I guarantee no actions will be taken against you for telling us how to repro a code bug.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
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We do not complain when we get scrambled. We are aware that Scrambles are a part of the game and we accept that. We try to counter it.
Um yeah sure buddy.
I don't believe that making obviously misleading statements regarding another fleet reflects favourably on you. It's immature at best.
And also it sounds as if you guys don't use SS at all. We have it on tape how you also use SS against us you know. So, if you guys use it it's OK but if others use it, it's evil? Hypocrite much?
Here the link. At 00:15 in the video you can see how I'm getting scrambled by you guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Navzb3Fns
So please, don't give me that.
If there is such a bug, one can also claim that YOU GUYS try to exploit it. Since you claim to know about such a bug one could also claim that's even worse. As a matter of fact, one could claim that every-f'ing-one who has even ONE copy of SS in even ONE of their ships equipped is most likely a cheater/exploiter. You know, why else use SS? :rolleyes:
Yes, we sometimes are running with one Sci/Sci that sometimes has one copy of SS. Most of the times we don't run with any copy of SS. But we usually like to use one copy of SS against well known SNB DOFF abusers. You know, in order to try to level the playing field.
Husanak, believe it or not but I am actually a friend of civil discussion. But I also bite back when I think me or my buddies are unwarrantedly smeared. When the smearing stops, I also stop.
I believe most of you Critz guys are good sports. Let's keep this thread clean. If you want to talk about something, why don't you come to our TS?
@ilhansk
-Inner Circle / Turkish RP Heroes-
Bort you may have been confused by the interfleet sniping here. There is no way to lock an opposing team's tray intentionally. Not an issue. The bug seems to occur when you are scrambled and are trying to use abilities and die suddenly. When you respawn you sometimes find that your tray *looks* useable, but some or all of your powers will not work.
Personal experience anecdotally finds that you need to die very, very quickly while under scram to get this bug to happen. As Pax points out, when we try to reproduce it in a testing environment we can't seem to do so. Yet it happens in pvp very frequently.
On the Turk RP thing. Yes, everyone knows that SS and AMS can bug you out. Everyone knows how to fix it by logging. I believe that the angst in the thread accrued because after getting tray bugged multiple times in a match a Turk member who probably isn't around as much complained about it in zone, which struck many strongly as hypocrisy since you guys run SS. People often conflate one person's random complaint with an entire fleet, (happens to Critz too all the time since our members are....outspoken if I'm trying to be nice when describing fleeties) when it was more just one person's random comment than a fleet sentiment. Of course, most of Critz and Opvp dogpiled on as we are wont to do which was, in retrospect, inappropriate.
As far as using SS, Critz generally doesn't run it, although we have a couple of specialized SS3 builds that we use specifically for Turk Rp to show how annoying it is. We don't debate the absolute acceptability of Turk's choice to run it, even with the tray bug as it's part of the game. But we made a decision as a fleet to use it when fighting Turks to demonstrate the annoyance factor of having to log in and out multiple times a match. That being said we have found a couple of new members using AMS in random matches and we told them to knock that TRIBBLE off when we heard about it.
Turks are good players, and we really, REALLY like playing against you. There aren't many good premades around in the Central/West coast time zones that provide a challenge. Turks always bring it. Sometimes we bug you about playing, but it's mostly because if one premade gets to play you, generally there is another premade whining on TS that they didn't get to play and to stop hogging all the Turk matches.
Nixus
Last time we saw RP they used stack snb doffs rather then SS though i didnt see a single SS :P
Guess its always one or the other.
Oh and im unbanned again hehe woo
We are not annoyed. But I'm sure I can speak for everyone in Turkish RP Heroes that we appreciate the positive sentiments.
We should run some tests on this SS problem once more, this time together. In attendance should be those that have been effected by it.
-PaxOttomana of Turkish RP Heroes (RP stands for Not Annoyed)
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That stuff is a personal preference for playing- In RP we don't want to use the SNB DOFFs and will take them off if agreed to- we sometimes use SS (never AMS)- we look for quality combat, not teams full of sci spam or drain carriers that are a pain in the TRIBBLE to play against. But there is a perception among us that some of the fleets out there just want to win at all costs and put their gimmicky stuff all over their ships- so we throw in the SNB DOFFs to compete. Yeah, we stack them high against some opponents, and use none at all against others or if agreed upon before mission start.
Being accused of anything that's not true is disconcerting. What's really dumb is being accused of SS/AMS spamming when maybe it shows up in a PUG, but not our Premades, and the accusers are known for pulling it out in a pinch as well. That's the real hypocrisy. We carry a copy of SS sometimes, but our habits don't revolve around it; at least there's a counter for it. We generally have something more desirable in those slots. A few points in sensors seems to handle the effect just fine......It's the 5 copies plus 5 AMS that is REALLY bad.
We'd like to be known for being helpful in PvP; we've come across fleet-mades with guys on voice that just haven't set the teams and builds up well and STOP the match to counsel and help them with knowledge and insights into team PvP. We want quality PvP, and since some things in the game aren't quite as perfectly balanced or working quite as intended doesn't mean we can't shed the BS and construct quality PvP matches with some rules in place. Some think PvP is the wild west, when that's really Ker'rat
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So just so e1 is clear, if someone posts a vid of it being broken, you guys will stop using it? Or will you pull the "we're using it so it gets attention from the devs to fix it" card?
PvP = pay real money to get the best ship, tech, silly gadgets. Get 4 friends with the same pathetic 'pwn pwn pwn' attitude. They go call everyone else nubs because they can't handle 5 ships unloading on them.
Nothing more than cheating in my eyes... PvP is dead...
Idiots always ruin the things they use the most... PvP included
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