It's a 'fan' theory (including mine) that ENT is set in a different timeline from the other shows, it makes all the pre Nero bits of ST 09 make more sense, i.e. the Kelvin looks like an evaluation of an ENT ship rather than a TOS one.
It's only fanon but it makes more sense that way. Though FC been the changing point doesn't make much sense.
Plus every canon-TRIBBLE up ENT produces is kinda lampshaded by that (Borg in ENT, plain and simple, and a lot of other stuff)
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Since when did the events of First Contact change the timeline? The whole premise of the film is to PREVENT the timeline being changed by the Borg.
How is ENT in a different timeline?
Do we have different ideas of what the word timeline means here?
The only Trek Canon that is in a different timeline is the JJ version to my knowledge.
As I said seriously, if someone came from the future and told you that your were going to create something that would change mankind, considering your only in this for the money tell the truth...are you going to do what they fore told you, or will the experience change your direction. This is how First Contact could of changed the timeline. The fact is if the events happened as in the movie, Picard and company are NOT returning to their universe. You have spilled the beans as it were, and considering the outcome what are the chances that the universe you returning to is the same?
Now some have tried to rationalize this by the old "Well maybe he already did know" conclusion but think about it. Ever since First Contact things have seemed to turned Gray. The Borg Changed, the Federation turned a bit darker, and stringing along the lines of ENT, the perpetuated the moniker "This is not your fathers Star Trek".
Even not factoring in First Contact even STO has seemed to neglected the Suliban, the Denoblians, and if anything did more to confirm in TNG aliens then TOS aliens. Was it planned? No but it does give a fandom appearance that you wanted to change Star Trek from what was Roddenberry's vision, to Paramount's vision.
As I said seriously, if someone came from the future and told you that your were going to create something that would change mankind, considering your only in this for the money tell the truth...are you going to do what they fore told you, or will the experience change your direction. This is how First Contact could of changed the timeline. The fact is if the events happened as in the movie, Picard and company are NOT returning to their universe. You have spilled the beans as it were, and considering the outcome what are the chances that the universe you returning to is the same?
No one has ever taken time travel seriously in Trek. Can we say "transparent aluminum?"
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
No one has ever taken time travel seriously in Trek. Can we say "transparent aluminum?"
True but in such a case, Scotty never said "You will be the greatest thing since slice bread" now did he. Mentioning statues, and cities on the moon. ST:IV had a better grasp on the idea then First Contact. Whatever happened to, if I tell you I must kill you? None the less both broke the rule anyway.
If shown on-screen, series or movie, it's by definition "Hard Canon".
If not shown on-screen but still deemed Canon by a official CBS (Or I guess paramount since they still hold some rights for movies) source, which to my knowledge they have never done, It's still by definition "Hard Canon".
If written in books, novels or comics, it's by definition "Soft Canon" (unless altered by #2).
If it's appearing in STO, it's jell'o canon (real soft and shaking all the time).
If made by lego... It's just awesome.
I am pretty sure that this is how it's been set up time and again.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
True but in such a case, Scotty never said "You will be the greatest thing since slice bread" now did he. Mentioning statues, and cities on the moon. ST:IV had a better grasp on the idea then First Contact. Whatever happened to, if I tell you I must kill you? None the less both broke the rule anyway.
Of course as we later go on to learn, the Trek universe is really being watched over by a Temporal "Time-Fleet" and so minor disruptions caused by various species slingshoting around suns tend to get patched by them, one way or another.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
When they release of The Animated Series DVD collection,
CBS changed their stance and said the animated series is now part of established canon.
I am really showing my age here, but the fact is, I never considered TAS Not Canon since it was based on Gene Roddenberry and NOT some corporate giants idea. Albeit the crappy colors, the questionable animation, and some serious dialogue statements that can be totally obliterated from fandom, it also added a lot to what WOULD BE CANON!
This is the problem I have with the idea of Hard, or Soft Canon. At one point the Franz Joseph General Technical Manual (as well as all of his work) WAS Canon, and along comes a dispute, and it's not. I ask you this, and think about this real hard, has everything you seen that is so called Hard Canon actually even fit?
To me, it's a bunch od suits deciding things that they have no idea what the HELL they are talking about. Just using the name James Tiberius Kirk, using screen shots from the general Technical Manual, and a host of other NON CANON flubs by the powers that be means this thread is not necessary....why? THERE IS NO CANON, IT'S JUST A WAY TO SUE THE PANTS OFF SOMEONE!
It's a 'fan' theory (including mine) that ENT is set in a different timeline from the other shows, it makes all the pre Nero bits of ST 09 make more sense, i.e. the Kelvin looks like an evaluation of an ENT ship rather than a TOS one.
It's only fanon but it makes more sense that way. Though FC been the changing point doesn't make much sense.
I can accept that the Temporal Cold War might have created a variance in the timeline. It definately messed with the timeline a lot.
I can accept that the Temporal Cold War might have created a variance in the timeline. It definately messed with the timeline a lot.
See, this is why I prefer ENT is set in a alternate timeline/universe because I consider the whole "temporal cold war" thing a dog-awful plot excuse and as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist in "prime universe"
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I can accept that the Temporal Cold War might have created a variance in the timeline. It definitely messed with the timeline a lot.
My personal theory is that after the destruction of Romulas, Nemesis era Romulans went back in time and fiddled with the 22nd century, this started the cold war, branched the ENT series off from the other universe, and explains the Nemesis era uniforms on the Romulans in ENT. Also the Temporal War is responsible for Denoblians and the Xzindi.
Also due to the different timeline NX-01 was commissioned well before NCC-1701 (Pikes Enterprise) due to the escalation of the war.
The biggest 'proof' of this separate universe / timeline, is the non existence of NX-01 in and other series.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Plus every canon-TRIBBLE up ENT produces is kinda lampshaded by that (Borg in ENT, plain and simple, and a lot of other stuff)
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As I said seriously, if someone came from the future and told you that your were going to create something that would change mankind, considering your only in this for the money tell the truth...are you going to do what they fore told you, or will the experience change your direction. This is how First Contact could of changed the timeline. The fact is if the events happened as in the movie, Picard and company are NOT returning to their universe. You have spilled the beans as it were, and considering the outcome what are the chances that the universe you returning to is the same?
Now some have tried to rationalize this by the old "Well maybe he already did know" conclusion but think about it. Ever since First Contact things have seemed to turned Gray. The Borg Changed, the Federation turned a bit darker, and stringing along the lines of ENT, the perpetuated the moniker "This is not your fathers Star Trek".
Even not factoring in First Contact even STO has seemed to neglected the Suliban, the Denoblians, and if anything did more to confirm in TNG aliens then TOS aliens. Was it planned? No but it does give a fandom appearance that you wanted to change Star Trek from what was Roddenberry's vision, to Paramount's vision.
True but in such a case, Scotty never said "You will be the greatest thing since slice bread" now did he. Mentioning statues, and cities on the moon. ST:IV had a better grasp on the idea then First Contact. Whatever happened to, if I tell you I must kill you? None the less both broke the rule anyway.
I am pretty sure that this is how it's been set up time and again.
CBS changed their stance and said the animated series is now part of established canon.
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I am really showing my age here, but the fact is, I never considered TAS Not Canon since it was based on Gene Roddenberry and NOT some corporate giants idea. Albeit the crappy colors, the questionable animation, and some serious dialogue statements that can be totally obliterated from fandom, it also added a lot to what WOULD BE CANON!
This is the problem I have with the idea of Hard, or Soft Canon. At one point the Franz Joseph General Technical Manual (as well as all of his work) WAS Canon, and along comes a dispute, and it's not. I ask you this, and think about this real hard, has everything you seen that is so called Hard Canon actually even fit?
To me, it's a bunch od suits deciding things that they have no idea what the HELL they are talking about. Just using the name James Tiberius Kirk, using screen shots from the general Technical Manual, and a host of other NON CANON flubs by the powers that be means this thread is not necessary....why? THERE IS NO CANON, IT'S JUST A WAY TO SUE THE PANTS OFF SOMEONE!
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See, this is why I prefer ENT is set in a alternate timeline/universe because I consider the whole "temporal cold war" thing a dog-awful plot excuse and as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist in "prime universe"
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My personal theory is that after the destruction of Romulas, Nemesis era Romulans went back in time and fiddled with the 22nd century, this started the cold war, branched the ENT series off from the other universe, and explains the Nemesis era uniforms on the Romulans in ENT. Also the Temporal War is responsible for Denoblians and the Xzindi.
Also due to the different timeline NX-01 was commissioned well before NCC-1701 (Pikes Enterprise) due to the escalation of the war.
The biggest 'proof' of this separate universe / timeline, is the non existence of NX-01 in and other series.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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