Fleet marks in PVP

criminius · September 2012

Yes I am bringing this back up. I would like to see this as a reward. Before you start with that pvp can be exploited. IMO PvE is so stupidly easy that is exploited in itself.

Sorry, but doing something you dont find fun (PvE) at all to support/make a starbase is (pick a word).

hurleybird · September 2012

Yup, we need to keep bringing this up until something happens.

falloutx23 · September 2012

criminius wrote: »

(pick a word).

Awesome?

If they did this, ppl would queue pvp for fleet marks. I'm sorry, but this is unacceptable...
~cryptic design team~

falloutx23 · September 2012

How many times have we told you, PWE puts a very high importance on pvp in our games. What more do you want from us?

~PWE~

hyprodimus · September 2012

Yes, PvE Mark grinding is so mindless. The same thing over and over. No thinking involved. Its also very frustrating when you get Commander level players in a fleet alert, or a 4-man fleet sticking together during Blockade. (Ive been in one, and their transport still dies).

PvPers have to work harder in the sense that our fleets are generally smaller and we have to divide our time between Mark grinding, dilithium grinding and pvping. All of that grinding towards the goal pf PvPing with better ships.

dontdrunkimshoot · September 2012

hyprodimus wrote: »

Yes, PvE Mark grinding is so mindless. The same thing over and over. No thinking involved. Its also very frustrating when you get Commander level players in a fleet alert, or a 4-man fleet sticking together during Blockade. (Ive been in one, and their transport still dies).

PvPers have to work harder in the sense that our fleets are generally smaller and we have to divide our time between Mark grinding, dilithium grinding and pvping. All of that grinding towards the goal pf PvPing with better ships.

people that group more then 2 per transport deserve to be vote kicked. if pvp had marks, boy here would be a lot more marks for me to contribute.

the easisert would be to add 50 to completing the dilithium reward pvp mission probably, it can take a wile to complete those. or my idea of give marks based on number of team kills, +5 bonus for each team. max 20 for winners, max 19 for losers, min 5 for losers. everyone that participates gets marks, those that win are rewarded for wining. being a feeder wont net you much in the way of marks.

esuzi · September 2012

I'm personally disappointed that S6 didn't ship with some new Fleet oriented PvP. Two NEW fleet base focused scenarios, and possibly a couple of Arenas that awarded Fleet Marks would be fantastic.

That said, I'm completely against just tacking on a FM reward to existing PvP.

broken1981 · September 2012

we need pvp fleet marks. tired of my fleet leader saying we need to grind pve then we can start pvp. wtf he is a good pvp'er and i get pure pve'ers to "x" up for pvp. as i see it im the only pvp'er in my fleet. this can be solved by putting marks in pvp.

trueprom3theus · September 2012

I agree, some fleet marks for pvp would be awesome! Especially that you pve the same TRIBBLE over and over, nothing ever chages but the quality of the team.

On a side note, anybody heard about Borticus? Is he still with cryptic?

linkdown1 · September 2012

Its sad that i can play this game for 2 hours and get nothing and others can get stf gear dill and fleet marks.

But they said there looking into it "tm"

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This is me rolling my head on the keyboard

dontdrunkimshoot · September 2012

they incentivize everything but pvp, and what doesn't get played? pvp

dant158 · September 2012

dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »

they incentivize everything but pvp, and what doesn't get played? pvp

Then they have the nerve to lament the low PvP numbers, citing that as a justification for the lack of assigned resource.

mrkollins · September 2012

esuzi wrote: »

I'm personally disappointed that S6 didn't ship with some new Fleet oriented PvP. Two NEW fleet base focused scenarios, and possibly a couple of Arenas that awarded Fleet Marks would be fantastic.

A former dev once said that Starbases where designed for PvP but they didnt make the time for the release date, and now we have to wait to season 9? 10? 15?

hyprodimus · September 2012

You are right. Its not hard for them to implement.

I actually think that PvP should reward the Most fleet marks since it requires the most fleet coordination.

Fleet alerts and colony invasion are spacebar->spacebar->spacebar->"So I just ordered Season 3 on Blu Ray"->spacebar->"Should be here in a week"->pickup loot

Blockade theres a little more involved, calling positions of the transports.
"2:00"->Full Impulse->spacebar->spacebar->spacebar-> Tactical Team-> TSS->spacebar->transport complete

aquitaine985 · September 2012

I think it was the last Ask Cryptic when DStahl said they intended to have fleet marks in PVP within 3 weeks. That was about a month ago. Still waiting.

borticuscryptic · September 2012

trueprom3theus wrote: »

On a side note, anybody heard about Borticus? Is he still with cryptic?

I've been on vacation, and at PAX. Just got back to work today.

thishorizon · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

I've been on vacation, and at PAX. Just got back to work today.

then.....how bout some fleet marks for pvp?

it would make happy!

dontdrunkimshoot · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

I've been on vacation, and at PAX. Just got back to work today.

well its a good time to bring this back up!

borticuscryptic · September 2012

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

trueprom3theus · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

I've been on vacation, and at PAX. Just got back to work today.

Awesome, some of us were wondering if you left the company, lol. Hope you had fun.

linkdown1 · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

What about fleet marks ?

dontdrunkimshoot · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

regarding fleet marks-

give marks based on number of team kills, +5 bonus for each team.

- 20 for winners,
- max 19 for losers,
- min 5 for losers.

everyone that participates gets marks, those that win are rewarded for wining. being a feeder wont net you much in the way of marks.

other pvp incentives

theres an stf store you exchange stuff for, thats a big part of why people play stfs.

as a pvp'er, i DONT want an item set from pvp. i DONT want weapons that have a [pvp] mod that works best in pvp like [borg] weapons work best against borg. thats the wrong direction to go, we don't want that.

there are all these fleet weapons, and they arent any good in pvp, regardless if they are MK XII or not. the dam mod is simply not great, being able to hit hard with crits, and hit reliably with accuracy are.

there are already the old pvp mark stores at k7 and its kdf counterpart station, a place to put new items you get from pvp marks is already in place in game. there just needs to be good items to put there.

i say make a pvp mark equipment something only a minmaxer would find useful, so the pve croud doesnt complain that pvp gets the best stuff. they would moan SOOOOO load if there was a set you could only earn from pvp. it could all be MK X even, as long as they have ideal mods.

like acc3, crit3 weapons, impulse engined with 3 turn modes, deflecters with 3 mods of the same type, stuff like that. being mk X, the pve'ers would scoff at it, but we would love it. its not introducing something that makes the fleet and dilithium stuff irreverent to a majority of players.

p2wsucks · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

The problem isn't just the time. It's that Cryptic Mgt uses PvE vs PvP #s to justify not investing Dev time into PvP. Since the F2P change all of the top gear has needed PvE via STF grinds now Fleet Starbase grinds. Mgt choices have forced PvPers to grind PvE to get gear.

I don't know the current status, but the Foundry Daily awards 50 marks according to a thread title. Assuming this is correct. All one needs to do is 3 console repair missions and they get 50 marks, but you're worried about PvP exploits?

The reward mechanics are already there in terms of daily limits for dilithium. Just add 50 marks to the dailies. It would take longer to through 3 arena matches than do 3 console repair foundry misssions. The time it takes to queue and run 3 legit arena FvK matches I could make more than 50 marks doing 3 PvE missions.

Map out long term PvP goals and rewards, but I see no legit reason not to add 50 merits to an already existing dilithium PvP daily. Again, the only reason I can think of is to specifically require so much PvE to PvP in decent setups the Mgt who don't want to make PvP now have a pretext to dump an future PvP dev plans. There is a track record of this.

trueprom3theus · September 2012

Correct, it's like spinning in circles. You need to grind pve to the point of going nuts, thus all pvpers do pve, pve apparent success is even higher, cryptic mgmt staff reach the conclusions most players (including pvpers) "love" pve. Honestly, I like doing pve sometimes, but I wold really like an alternative that will allow pvpers to get at least the same gear as pve has. I mean the stf sets, fleet marks, doffs, etc. It would be great also to get 1 edc from doing a pvp mission. And few fleet marks. And this doesn't imply adding new marks or anything alike. Maybe at the end should be an ultra rare item similar to stfs. thing is that in pvp (even now when pretty much we have c&h and arenas plus Kerrat) there is unlikely to face same team every time, thus it is not as boring as doing pve. Pvp could have a huge potential in this game if few alternatives and rewards would be added, more players would be attracted to pvp.

bitemepwe · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

Givem some of the hihh costs we see in fleet marks for T3 in a Starbase, have you tjought about simply;
1 fleet mark for each Arena, 2 fleet marks for complete CnH and 3 fleet marks for each instance of Ker'rat finished for a total 9 in one day?

lostusthorn · September 2012

You are missing a couple of zeros in that reward amount Roach if you want as daily max limit.

doomicile · September 2012

lostusthorn wrote: »

You are missing a couple of zeros in that reward amount Roach if you want as daily max limit.

Agreed. Especially when Colony Invasion is an easy 30 Fleet Marks for 5 minutes of facerolling that's repeatable every (20?) minutes and can do other Fleet missions while waiting for the CD. Whereas in PvP, you're locked in for at least 15-20 minutes per run.

skurf · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

Fleet Marks seem like the most logical choice here....unless y'all are discussing Purple XII drops, or even XI. Speaking of which, I don't think it'd be such a bad idea to increase the frequency and quality of drops in PvP. The best drops I've seen have been some uncommon rubbish.

kinetic78 · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

I do believe the majority of people are tired of doing the same missions over and over. There is 5 tiers to get in that star base , I myself am fed up doing them , we as gamers do not play games to be board to tears,,, we want content we want action we want fleet marks for pvp . There seems to be plenty of talk with not much happening , at least chuck us a bone and give us something.

naldoran · September 2012

Borticus, having good rewards for PvP, especially if the winners got significantly more than the loosers, would do a very great deal to generate good will and get more people involved in PvP.

havam · September 2012

borticuscryptic wrote: »

Because a lot of this is still in design discussion, I can't comment thoroughly on how this discussion is going internally.

What I can say is this: We want to reward for PvP. Whether that means Fleet Marks or something completely different is still very much in-the-air, because the decision cannot be made in a vacuum. Any reward added to PvP has to be sustainable - we don't want to add something that might need to be changed or removed later - and it also cannot be exploitable, while still being meaningful.

That's another way of saying, just be patient please. I know you might hear that a lot, but if we make a knee-jerk reaction to add something that turns out to be a bad decision at a later point, then we're just wasting everybody's time - yours and ours.

Hope you had a great time at PAX and welcome back.

a) How has not sharing in-design discussion and then only sharing info hours before release on holodeck worked out so far. Maybe it's time to rethink that dogma.

I call BS, Cryptic removed the pvp currency, cheated us out of the 250 Emblems award to limit the amount of currencies. Since then we had more currencies then before, still no way to obtain [Cap]x3 shields in game, and no improvement or compensation for the previous rewards on PvP. Saying that you "want" to reward pvp is a joke, the starbase system is ample proof. It was designed from scratch, and since pvp is very much something that people and fleetmates do together. Not including it in the rewards system speaks volumes. As Dstahl once said: "judge me by my record." Fine, wanting to reward pvp is not what cryptic's record shows.

We're now talking about new maps past the 3rd anniversary...."knee jerk reaction" wow just wow....waste of time indeed

Fleet marks in PVP

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