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darienavan
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Qapla'.
To make it short: I can't read it anymore. All those whining about the Armitage, all the Toys the Feds have and that we don't get anything. etc. Every second or so topic is about this.
a) Even if this may be true, it is unworthy for a warrior to complain about a superior enemy. Take it as a challenge and the honour of the victory is even greater.
b) it is not true. At least I don't see any evidence of it. I don't PvP to often to be honest, but when I do the, klingon side will win in 90%+ of the games. And not in a close 15-12 match or so, it is mostly something between 15-0 to 15-3 - you usuallys call this crushing defeat for the Feds.
Only exception is, when you run into a good Premade (like Pandas) with a group of Pugs. Than it can be close or you simply lose. But PUG vs. PUG I almost never lose with my Kllingon.
c) of course I not only have my Klingon (Al'Ex), I own a Fed Toon too (Darien). Both are tactical, both are almost identical skilled and both prefer escorts/Raptors.
But if it would be possible that both meet in battle i would bet all my money on my klingon. yeah, Advanced Escort is the better ship compared to my good old qin, but as klingon I have the mystical power of buyable consoles on my side: leech, theta vent, bioneural warhead and (new from the lockbox) Disruptor point defence simply own my Fed char.
d) And even if it may be true that the new fleet system supports the Feds more than the Klingons, there is nothing to complain: reliable designs got an upgrade (vor'cha neg'var, Qin), we got the the 'new' Scourge who is amore than worthy addition to the escort section and the Tor'kath is everything the Bortasque promised but never realised - a superior Battlecruiser.
Maybe some should consider that Klingont don't get that much of an upgrade, because they have already the better concepts: the ability to mount D(H)Cs on cruisers combined with a good (compared to Fed cruisers) turn rate is an essential advantage in almost all situations.
So please: there is no reason for tears (well...OK, lack of story content, but this is another story
). So behave like warriors an crush our enemys.
Fight With Blood Fight With Steel
Die With Honor Never Yield
To make it short: I can't read it anymore. All those whining about the Armitage, all the Toys the Feds have and that we don't get anything. etc. Every second or so topic is about this.
a) Even if this may be true, it is unworthy for a warrior to complain about a superior enemy. Take it as a challenge and the honour of the victory is even greater.
b) it is not true. At least I don't see any evidence of it. I don't PvP to often to be honest, but when I do the, klingon side will win in 90%+ of the games. And not in a close 15-12 match or so, it is mostly something between 15-0 to 15-3 - you usuallys call this crushing defeat for the Feds.
Only exception is, when you run into a good Premade (like Pandas) with a group of Pugs. Than it can be close or you simply lose. But PUG vs. PUG I almost never lose with my Kllingon.
c) of course I not only have my Klingon (Al'Ex), I own a Fed Toon too (Darien). Both are tactical, both are almost identical skilled and both prefer escorts/Raptors.
But if it would be possible that both meet in battle i would bet all my money on my klingon. yeah, Advanced Escort is the better ship compared to my good old qin, but as klingon I have the mystical power of buyable consoles on my side: leech, theta vent, bioneural warhead and (new from the lockbox) Disruptor point defence simply own my Fed char.
d) And even if it may be true that the new fleet system supports the Feds more than the Klingons, there is nothing to complain: reliable designs got an upgrade (vor'cha neg'var, Qin), we got the the 'new' Scourge who is amore than worthy addition to the escort section and the Tor'kath is everything the Bortasque promised but never realised - a superior Battlecruiser.
Maybe some should consider that Klingont don't get that much of an upgrade, because they have already the better concepts: the ability to mount D(H)Cs on cruisers combined with a good (compared to Fed cruisers) turn rate is an essential advantage in almost all situations.
So please: there is no reason for tears (well...OK, lack of story content, but this is another story
). So behave like warriors an crush our enemys.Fight With Blood Fight With Steel
Die With Honor Never Yield
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You last visited: 12-31-1969 at 04:00 PM
There are no real Klingons out there playing STO... It's all make belive.
So don't....
I want an Armitage on the KDF side, not because its a far superior ship, but because I like the idea of a smooth turning, fast shooting carrier.
Personally, I don't have any of those consoles, not going to spend money on them, and I dont know too many people who do have those consoles.
Again a main complaint with the fleet ships for the KDF is the fact that we have no T5 zen ships, so everyone has to pay full price (all four modules) for these ships that are already too expensive as it is.
Lastly, i'm NOT Klingon, so I don't have to act like an oofish bafoon warrior. I am a Lethean, I prefer making people trip out in their minds and don't care too much about being brave or having honor. If things don't go my way I might... probably gonna complain, hahaha.
EDIT: And to the OP, If you don't like the KDF players pushing for more content then go play Fed
Lets put the shoe on the other foot. Swap the role of the Feds and KDF. And see how they fuss. I play them both and I can see there is a lacking of balance on stuff.
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He should read the Fed forums. All the quality of life fixes and items they receive every patch and they still complain. Talk about incriminating footwear.
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These posts are right on point, we are simply asking for completeness, something promised for a long time, longer than I have been playing the game. It's not too much to ask for two equally completed factions, that's all we are asking for. They aren't whining, some are very passionate but we are passionate about our faction.
And for the matter I do play both factions but I prefer the KDF faction so much I have four mains compared to my two Fed mains.
Yeah it's a joke over there, I avoid that section now, ignorance is bliss I say.
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Yeah saw that in the Doomsday mission while helping my wife level her Federation science character. I find that funny. A ship 300 years more advanced and it still goes boom faster than the B'rel I was flying.
Yeah, well there's that very detailed red Klingon ship in the Foundry...
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There were many great topics here with many good suggestions on how to completet tje KDF without straining the Federation. The developers did not even try to discuss them with the KDF players and ignored them.
actually they are... I go to his house, tie him to a chair and tape his eyes open while displaying them on a laptop
it's a hobby
+1
Main problem I find that a lot of the "new" Klingon players are not role players and have absolutely no idea when it comes to how rpg mmo games work might of helped if any of them used to play D&D with books and dice.
So what if the Klingons don't have has many choosable race's to strat with or as many ships but the last I checked the Klingon Empire has never been any where the size of the Federation unless you count the period of time of the founding of the Federation (Star Trek Enterprise) but the game is not set in that period so it doesn't count.
My first Klingon there wasn't the content the Klingons have now, I had to repeat grinding missions over and over because there where zero to none actually story missions and I thoroughly enjoyed leveling him up even though there was virtually nothing to do pve wise compared to now where theres a ton of missions and the grinding missions are not bugged out anymore.
Over all I have 6 toons, 3 Fed and 3 Klingons and like you if I could face off those toons against each other my Klingon's would wipe the floor with my Federation toons. Over all I have found the Klingons to be tougher than the Feds so when ever I see a Klingon on post winging about some Fed thing I usually think to myself Noob depending on the situation.
Most MMO's lack RP anymore, STO included it has nothing to do with the KDF side or the Fed side.
I dont ever hear anyone complaining about the lack of playable species. For Picard's sake, we have an alien creator that makes any humanoid species, what is there to complain about...
Yes, the Klingon empire may not be that large, but when it is mixed with the Gorn Hegemony, the Orion syndacite, and filled with pirates and mercenaries from other cultures, its pretty friggin big with a wide variance in the people flying the ships and where they come from, so there would probably be alot of ships out there.
Its fine that you enjoyed leveling that way. I am actually leveling a Fed on just the exploration missions right now, its slow, but fun. But guess what, not everyone, not even a majority, not even a small percentage, its a minute percentage of players that enjoy that. People don't want to deal with that, so it got changed, what we have is still unliked, so we are pushing for more change to get more and better content.
Finally, we aren't generally arguing over being weaker, we are generally frustrated with out lack of customization options. You complain about KDF not RPing, but we are not given ample tools to be able to do so with. Our ships don't all match, our clothing selection is weak, we are boiled down to a single culture when there are many cultures included. Its not combat that we complain about, its about uniqueness and perception.
Most players that I have encountered play the game for what it is and aren't interested in role playing in fact role players have a bit of a bad reputation in STO thanks to Drozana Station and the behaviour some role players do over there.
Most of us gamers, KDF fans in particular just want a more equal playing field in terms of content such as missions, ships, costumes etc. Not too much to ask for I think, it's not like we are asking them to make a new faction. I'd be happy with just the Fed and KDF two equal but very different factions to play.
A lot of what the root problem of the KDF is that the dev's aren't really as knowledgeable abou the franchise as most players and they don't really know how to make the game more KDF as it is apparent when we get a copy of the fed version that is fed based but does not fall in line with the KDF other than replacing the word Federation with Klingon Empire.
My biggest issue is being able to pick up any toon on any faction and doing something kinda like fleet stuff, kinda like stfs, but different and get to choose what reward i get.. Sometimes I want dilithium, and sometimes fleet marks but I'd rather choose the outcome rather than being forced one way or another.
And when they completely ignore any and all feedback? What then?
Has anyone ever wondered why this might be so from a positive viewpoint? A story driven viewpoint? Unless I've misread things so far, the Empire figured out before anyone else the Undine are using their shapeshifting abilities to infiltrate the Alpha Quadrant powers. The Empire has also taken steps to purge itself and the associated races of these infiltrators. They have also warned others about this. The Spoon-Feds shouldn't need this warning because of what Janeway found in the Delta Quadrant all those years ago. However they are the Spoon-Feds and as such they are required by Star Trek law to relearn things the hard way. Isn't it possible the Empire decides to do something about the Undine all on its own and damn the torpedoes?
Reckon maybe somebody somewhere at PWE/Cryptic could be working on this idea? Reckon maybe they just don't want to spoil the surprise? And all the, "We hate the KDF!" stuff is just a maskirovka, a deception? Just a thought. This is an MMO so it will always be a work in progress. Reckon I'll just hang around and see how this turns out.
The whole point is this: Crypt/PW don't make enough content to make a good KDF player happy. Need ships, costumes, episodes and a lot of etecetera...
People can complain more and loud if they can, because they fell alone and abandoned because the lack of costumes and Episodes. IF they release one new C-Store KDF product in each 1 or 2 months, this helps to lower the amount of complains.
If the Devs/PW/Crypt/CBS/Anyone with powers to make anything really want to at least get our respect back, make not entire, but at least some good content to keep us busy for a time before whining again.
To finish, opening topics like "stop to whining" or "get your farm tools and torchs and go to crypt/PW building and make thing happens" never worked well. Just is material to make flamewar or feed the trolls...
Is really better to place some good ideas and debate, having some (small?) hope to anyone of the Staff can read and think about the chance to make this true.
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UR right i dont whine anymore for the fed escort carrier but what i will whine and quit the game for is that if they give leech console to fed side. PERIOD
Because got so many new ''toys'' that give us rly hard time
Imagine if they get our unique leech console and use it on their new toys what will happend then???
KDF RIP and me quit the game
yes plz and let the leech console remain on kdf side ONLY and stop nerfing it!