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Don't you think that guns on our backs is against startrek spirit?
dapperdrake
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Gun in back went with season 6. What this such fashion style? Are we in those stupid heroic fantasy game made by this such pwe company?
Did you see some people with gun in Deep space nine TV drama? Did you see Kirk or spock with gun in back in Starbase in StarTrek TOS TV Drama? Did you see Picard moves with his gun in back on the bridge in the enterprise? the gun or the rifle in back is so ridiculous.
I really would like to know why PWE disrespects startrek spirit like this? They can make money without to be so much disrespectful...
Sure we can hide the gun in back. Especially if you're a kling. But when you change gun. The new one appears until you hide.
I'm reall angry against pwe because of this.
Did you see some people with gun in Deep space nine TV drama? Did you see Kirk or spock with gun in back in Starbase in StarTrek TOS TV Drama? Did you see Picard moves with his gun in back on the bridge in the enterprise? the gun or the rifle in back is so ridiculous.
I really would like to know why PWE disrespects startrek spirit like this? They can make money without to be so much disrespectful...
Sure we can hide the gun in back. Especially if you're a kling. But when you change gun. The new one appears until you hide.
I'm reall angry against pwe because of this.
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Because some people asked for it.
Some people seem to like it, and
Because for your own character and Boffs you have the option of turning the visual off.
Sorry it makes you so mad to see it, but for as i just said ... you can turn it off on your character,
quite easily, and it's not just turning it off till you switch guns, it is very possible to just turn the visuals off.
as for disrespecting the star trek spirit? no. of course its not. its a holstered weapon. nothing more.
What this guy said
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I personally hide the visuals because the styling of the weapons make it look awkward, but I like the idea of slinging your weapon so you can use your hands to do something.
BTW if you want..... you do have the option of using a pistol instead of a rifle..... Pistols reside in a hip mounted holster. (or two in the case of dual pistols)
My character Tsin'xing
They rarely used rifles, though, because hand phasers had disintegration settings. They were usually fired well below their maximum settings. Rifles were massive overkill, at least until the Borg showed up and they needed heavier weapons.
It had nothing to do with any concept of non-violence. They were just showing how much tech had advanced (and smaller props are easier to work with, plus hand guns work better for space cowboys
You are also apparently quite clueless.
They seldom used rifles of any sort in any of the ST shows, and on the rare cases they did, I can't think of a single case in which they weren't either holding them or had them sit down somewhere.
However IRL the most common and in fact about the only way to carry a rifle when you want your hands free, is slung across your back. If anyone in a ST show were to ever sling a rifle they'd do it the same way it's done in the game.
PWE has done nothing that is out side of the "spirit of Star Trek", they simply put the mostly logical way of caring a rifle other then in your hands, into the game.
R.I.P
But I can't think of an other way to carry rifles.
That's why I have a normal phaser in my other weapons slot.
I don't use it very often in battle, but it is great as ''decoration'' :P
And you can always turn off the visuals.
(Or a pig)
Sorry if my English is bad.
Translated from the original Klingon:
Enemy troops I track,
And as I go, I love to sing,
My Bat'leth on my back.
Chorus:
Val-deri,Val-dera,
Val-deri,
Val-dera-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
Val-deri,Val-dera.
My bat'leth on my back.
I track some Feds down to a stream,
And swiftly draw my gun
I feed them my disruptor's beams
Come join it's happy song!
<chorus>
I salute all I meet,
And they shout back "Qapla!"
I offer them some Gagh to eat
And share some heart of targ.
<chorus>
In battle my bat'leth burns
And I let out a fearsome roar
In this way I hope to earn
A place in Sto'vo'Kor
<chorus>
Oh, may I go a-wandering
Until the day I die!
And may my battles always bring,
Fear to my enemies' eyes!
By the way, what is a 'bath'leth?' Is that your emergency bath time defense weapon?
I like the holstered pistols but not so keen on the rifles and the swords look a little out of place to me. But each to their own.
Phaser rifles have slings for carrying them:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/31/compressionphaserrifle.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/siskofiringphaserrifle9.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/20/phaserrifles.jpg
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3187/phaserrifles2.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8190/phaserrifles3.jpg
The crew of the Defiant and the Enterprise in Yesterday's Enterprise wore hand phasers:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1994/phaserpistol01.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1609/phaserpistol03.jpg
The helmsman in Encounter at Farpoint had a phaser hidden under his work station!
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3796/phaserpistol02.jpg
The Chief knew where to get a phaser quick:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/obriendefendswithphaser.jpg
(the locker behind his left arm on the pylon is a weapons locker- as seen in many episodes)
ROFL.
Because capitalism is a concept associated with Asia, and not with North America at all. Good one
Oh and because there is some sort of deliberate 'anti Trek' sentiment driving this.....' Riiiight...
Funny, but didn't F2P happen more or less in conjunction with PWE's purchase of Cryptic? Originally, this was a sub game, which meant.... oh yeah, P2P.....
Funny that....
I would be happy though if they fixed the size of the weapons though.
Hand phasers (post-original series) are so big they look like oversized TRIBBLE...and when holstered they are placed like a regular gun (trigger and handle pointing backwards).
In TNG+ the phaser was always holstered with trigger towards the hip, the handle forward and was unholstered with the opposite hand in a diagonal fashion.
Rifles and blades look gigantic. My federation science captain with the jemhadar rifle has the rifle covering the entire back and protruding above the head and below the butt.
When the character unholsters the rifle it is so darn big the hands of the toon cant grip the weapon nor hold the barrel portion correctly since the hands are not that long.
Weapons need to be able to re-size based on the owner's size. MMO's have been doing this since late 1990's there is NO excuse other than lazyness to have these graphical obscenities in a 2012 game.
Allow me to clarify:
When beaming down into an unknown, or potentially, hostile situation, an away team would be issued phaser (pistols) from the lockers in the transporter room.
When an away team expected serious, trouble, or during prolonged, boarding actions, the crew would bust out the rifles.
When walking through a Star Base, or anywhere civilians might be present, the general rule is to go unarmed, or armed with hand phasers only, so as to appear unarmed, and not alarm the general populace, much like the 21st century armed forces do.
Guinan has a rifle behind her bar
(Or a pig)
Sorry if my English is bad.
Much like the 21st century armed forces do? You should take a visit to Israel:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/sixidfwomen.jpg
Back when the US was in Iraq our civil affairs troops were told not to carry pistols when dealing with the Civilian population, instead carry their rifles. People armed with just pistols made the locals very nervous (over there rifles were for defense, pistols were for executing people).
That depended a LOT on plot. When in a war zone or other known hostile situation, they would be a lot better armed.
In STO they are not doing the first contact missions that were the majority of TOS, there are multiple wars on and most missions are war related in some form. While the mere existance of war could in and of itself be considered anti-trek, consider that the Feds and Klingons only avoided war by essentially divine intervention. The Organians threatened to wipe out all ships (including non-warships) on both sides unilaterally unless they came to peace terms.
Later on, there would be the Cardassian War and Dominion War.
War is something to work to avoid, but all the wishful thinking in the world and even the best diplomacy in the world cannot guarantee zero risk.
But this game requires a healthy dose of belief suspension, and (arguably) liberties taken.
The bigger issue is the sheer amount of phaser shootouts and space battles. Hell, even the last Undine episode which was a diplomatic mission, just ended up another "shoot these ships until their mysteriously tiny defense force disappears, then beam down and shoot them in the face".
The mission's reliance on combat damages the spirit of Star Trek more than visible guns.
But these are things that need to be adjusted if you want an mmorpg to be successful, so I deal with it.
Honestly, I don't care what other players look like.
And I love how the lady on the far left in the picture is wearing sandals. I almost got an article 15 for showing up once for first formation with an M-4, wearing PTshorts, swimming goggles, and shower shoes....meanwhile, in Israel, its perfectly acceptable to show up in jesus-cleats...
The unfairness of it all...
There are already mechanics for off duty clothing and making weapons non-visible though.
Personally I leave the armor visibility off, since they pretty much never wore any in canon.
Look closely the the picture. The 16s aren't charged. (no magazines). Also there is no combat armor evident. Which leads me to believe these women are probably recruits or trainees on a post, somewhere.
More to the point, Israel is basically a nation under seige, and therefore a combat zone. Any full time soldiery on duty there, probably would be fully loaded out for combat. It's a different story in most other metropolitan areas. Your local armed forces recruiter for example, is, in most cases, unarmed. Your local constabulary probably keeps the peace, with holstered pistols, as opposed to assault rifles slung across their backs.
I like the hip-holstered phasers because they look "Trek". For RP- or Foundry-RP missions I will make 4 other BOs who also wear Phasers-Pistols so it will bring me the "Trek" feeling.
If I play STFs or any other mission where I need Guns I think I am going to choose my non-RP BOFFs.
Luckily we can buy extra BOFF slots so every player can play STO as he/she wants to...