I'll just say, 'maybe'. All depends on what's in it.
People who buy the expansion should get account-wide unlocks for certain ships and costumes, in addition to the extra content.
That paid content should NOT include a KDF tutorial. That should be available to everyone.
I would also not like to see pre-existing content getting bundled in to a 'new' expansion and made unavailable otherwise.
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No I already have paid through the nose, LTS,, in the c-store that should have covered enough content for both factions, and that is not even including how many boxed copies I paid top dollar for at full price.
To be fair you only need one copy of the game so really that's down to you. Cstore again you wanted it so you bought it again down to you, I personally wouldnt mind paying for an expansion but as iv said in previous post id like substantial such as another quadrant ie delta or gamma. More missions and new game enemies.
I'm not sure, if the expansion came with KDF content AND the Romulan full faction...... with sector space revamped (opened up with no walls and the map to change to look like a real map rather than Blue blocks, Green blocks, red blocks... and so on. More like this map then maybe I would yes.... I know I'm asking for a lot... maybe to much but you wont get if you don't ask. :P
LOTRO sells their expansions on pre-order with real money, then once they come out (or shortly there after) they are avaliable in the Turbine Store (Equivalent of the Zen Store). So maybe the same would happen here.
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If it was an expansion that had only mission/story content for the KDF, then yes I would support it. but if was the type of expansion that includes new regions etc., that players would be aware of, but not have access to unless they bought the expansion, then I'd say no way.
For 2 reasons, I don't believe in the 2 tier user base that drives a wedge between those that pay and those using F2P and it would skew development statistics, the question would never be answered whether players are buying the expansion to get more for the KDF or were buying to just get access to the new regions with KDF content being an unneeded waste of development resources.
An expansion that is just for KDF would have to have the kind of content that only affects Klingons, ie missions and story elements, not pieces of the map.
This is true for any other faction.
With a Romulan faction expansion, the same deal, Romulan players would be using ships already known in game and their game arcs and stories would be taking place in existing regions.
This way players wanting these things are given a means to put their money where their mouths are and Cryptic has financial proof of community interest in expanding a given faction.
Faction specific content is still a huge gamble for Cryptic, they could go to the trouble and expense of developing a faction expansion and be left holding the bag when it doesn't sell or sell sufficiently to even cover the cost of making it.
A lot of people talk about what they would do to get what they want, but that's all it is, talk, asking investors to risk their bottom line on possible sales is foolish for a product that has already changed hands once due to poor returns.
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I would gladly pay for a KDF, or any other faction, expansion. Especially if you could purchase it with zen, in which case you could really get it for free by earning dilithium. But I do think that subscribers/LTers should either get it for free, or at a discount.
I'm not sure, if the expansion came with KDF content AND the Romulan full faction...... with sector space revamped (opened up with no walls and the map to change to look like a real map rather than Blue blocks, Green blocks, red blocks... and so on. More like this map then maybe I would yes.... I know I'm asking for a lot... maybe to much but you wont get if you don't ask. :P
I agree I would pay if it included this. We are way beyond me willing to pay solely for a Klingon Expansion, I feel that is owed to us.
However, if they are putting in $7.00 space suits claimable by only one toon what makes you thing they would only want to charge $20.00 - $40.00?
I agree I would pay if it included this. We are way beyond me willing to pay solely for a Klingon Expansion, I feel that is owed to us.
However, if they are putting in $7.00 space suits claimable by only one toon what makes you thing they would only want to charge $20.00 - $40.00?
I 100% agree we are owed, given the history of statements made by various devs. They know they owe but it doesn't matter when this is not in their current business plan.
That's why I'd go for a Paid KDF Expansion. Money talks after all. So if they see immediate profits in it maybe a completed KDF would end up on the front burner.
Personally there is no way Id be willing to pay for a Klingon Expansion. My reasoning is, Cryptic has flip-flopped on the topic of a full fledged KDF Faction for almost three years now. So from my point of view, they dont deserve the large sums of money that would come from that expansion.
The ONLY way I would personally be willing to pay for an expansion, and it better be alot cheaper then those seen in WoW and other respectable MMOs, would be if its two or so more years down the line and they committed the next two years to PvP revamp (Crafting has already had its turn its PvPs turn) and Klingon Heavy Seasons. Along the way they could routinely drop Fed ships/kdf2fed content.
This way the expansion can orient itself towards introducing the Romulan faction and improving the existing KDF and Fed side.
By the way, I prefer not to play a Klingon. Theyre too hardheaded.
Only one or two for feds. (Possibly Red Squad uniforms?)
Special titles & accolades.
30+ Missions for KDF advancement. (could be made available for everyone at a future date, just give me some kind of shiny for getting it early)
Ability to start KDF at level one, without going through Starfleet.
Possibly some kind of starbase reward (most likely just an aesthetic one) (KDF only)
A new tutorial available for everyone. (On KDF side)
This way KDF gets a lot of content, but still has enough shinies to entice mostly Fed players, like myself, into buying it. Even then, most of the shinies are mostly visual ones, or would be available for all alts on an account, in the case of the Preorder items.
Reality is though, I could grind dilithium to no end and sell it all on the dilithium exchange and in the process accrue enough ZEN to never spend any real-world money on the game. :cool:
Then stop complaining about how your game might be "devalued."
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The only way an expansion is getting released is if they get a larger team and set aside time to develop it.
If they can do that, good luck. I'll be waiting for it.
I don't see that happening though. I see them releasing more easier to develop stuff like ship reskins and other p2w stuff.
They get a lot of sales on that kind of stuff with a minimum of investment. They only really have to put their PvP guys (lol?) on the gear from time to time to fix and rebalance the parts. Usually months after PvPers complain about them.
Yes, I'm a little annoyed at the stuff that occasionally gets released into my favorite gametype. :P
If it had some of the following.. then yes I would pay
20-30 new KDF missions
1 or 2 new KDF player species
Npc Orion,Gorn & Nausicaan ships for KDF players
Social Zones (Orion "homeworld", Nausicaan Asteroid etc)
More KDF sector space
More Outfits
Unless I got some good, non-spiked boot options for KDF female aliens and joined Trills (either free or as part of the expansion), I wouldn't pay for a KDF expansion. Yes, I'm still quibbling about that.
Unless I got some good, non-spiked boot options for KDF female aliens and joined Trills (either free or as part of the expansion), I wouldn't pay for a KDF expansion. Yes, I'm still quibbling about that.
You aren't the only one.... I'd be willing to bet they could introduce KDF Boot Pack to the Zen store and it'd sell pretty decently for footwear.
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Expansion Packs are extremely common in this industry. I'm not sure why someone would be willing to spend $20-$25.00 for a ship - let alone $100.00 for a Lockbox ship - but not $30.00 for an Expansion Pack .
Consider that this expansion is supposed to bring the KDF faction in line with the Federation faction. This is basic, core game stuff that should have existed when the game launched. Why should KDF players pay to have their faction be where it should have been since Day 1 of the game going live?
Consider that this expansion is supposed to bring the KDF faction in line with the Federation faction. This is basic, core game stuff that should have existed when the game launched. Why should KDF players pay to have their faction be where it should have been since Day 1 of the game going live?
What "should have existed" doesn't really matter at this point - it stopped mattering years ago. In life we must deal with what's in front of us not what we should have had. If you're happy gaining 1 new KDF Mission a year because it "should have existed" then good for you. I'd rather fork over the price of ship and get what I can get; because the only way the KDF is ever going to justify the amount of money Cryptic would need to put into the game to give them the Missions they want is by paying extra for it.
We're not living in 2005. We're living in 2012 during a 7-year-long global recession where even the largest MMOs are reporting huge losses. WoW just reported their Sub-base is down to 9.1 million. That's 3 million Subs lost in 3 years: 25%, and it's only getting worse. No one is going to put a million dollars into the KDF just because it "should have existed." Not in this economy.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
We're not living in 2005. We're living in 2012 during a 7-year-long global recession where even the largest MMOs are reporting huge losses. WoW just reported their Sub-base is down to 9.1 million. That's 3 million Subs lost in 3 years: 25%, and it's only getting worse. No one is going to put a million dollars into the KDF just because it "should have existed." Not in this economy.
WoW's losses may have more to do with Kung Fu Pandas than the economy. Just sayin'.
What "should have existed" doesn't really matter at this point - it stopped mattering years ago. In life we must deal with what's in front of us not what we should have had. If you're happy gaining 1 new KDF Mission a year because it "should have existed" then good for you. I'd rather fork over the price of ship and get what I can get; because the only way the KDF is ever going to justify the amount of money Cryptic would need to put into the game to give them the Missions they want is by paying extra for it.
We're not living in 2005. We're living in 2012 during a 7-year-long global recession where even the largest MMOs are reporting huge losses. WoW just reported their Sub-base is down to 9.1 million. That's 3 million Subs lost in 3 years: 25%, and it's only getting worse. No one is going to put a million dollars into the KDF just because it "should have existed." Not in this economy.
Agreed. But! On the plus side, that means we can ask for what we would pay for instead of paying for whatever the devs decide to throw at us.
If it brought the KDF up to par with the Federation and meant we could get the other factions, maybe one per year, then I would most likely buy it.
Just started playing KDF, about to hit Captain. Playing cause there's nothing more to do on my Fed, but I'm enjoying KDF more now that I know what I'm doing.
I'm afraid that once I'm lvl 50 in KDF, I will have nothing to do again. I'm not psyched to replay the same missions I finished as a Fed already, just in a different skin.
If it would help push the story forward and they throw in more stuff to boot (no clothing pun intended), then I might kick a few z points in.
Not that Cryptic will ever manage to make a KDF expansion but yes, in a heartbeat.
I've got two accounts in DDO that I pay a subscription for, I recently bought the collector's edition expansion for _both_ accounts as soon as it was available.
DDO has their FTP almost perfect, Cryptic on the other hand seem to be unable to stick to one direction for more than a month at a time and completely incapable of learning from other companies successes.
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People who buy the expansion should get account-wide unlocks for certain ships and costumes, in addition to the extra content.
That paid content should NOT include a KDF tutorial. That should be available to everyone.
I would also not like to see pre-existing content getting bundled in to a 'new' expansion and made unavailable otherwise.
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For 2 reasons, I don't believe in the 2 tier user base that drives a wedge between those that pay and those using F2P and it would skew development statistics, the question would never be answered whether players are buying the expansion to get more for the KDF or were buying to just get access to the new regions with KDF content being an unneeded waste of development resources.
An expansion that is just for KDF would have to have the kind of content that only affects Klingons, ie missions and story elements, not pieces of the map.
This is true for any other faction.
With a Romulan faction expansion, the same deal, Romulan players would be using ships already known in game and their game arcs and stories would be taking place in existing regions.
This way players wanting these things are given a means to put their money where their mouths are and Cryptic has financial proof of community interest in expanding a given faction.
Faction specific content is still a huge gamble for Cryptic, they could go to the trouble and expense of developing a faction expansion and be left holding the bag when it doesn't sell or sell sufficiently to even cover the cost of making it.
A lot of people talk about what they would do to get what they want, but that's all it is, talk, asking investors to risk their bottom line on possible sales is foolish for a product that has already changed hands once due to poor returns.
I agree I would pay if it included this. We are way beyond me willing to pay solely for a Klingon Expansion, I feel that is owed to us.
However, if they are putting in $7.00 space suits claimable by only one toon what makes you thing they would only want to charge $20.00 - $40.00?
Maybe no one bought them and they learned their lesson.... I /laugh at all the people I see wearing them, which has been a grand total of one.
I 100% agree we are owed, given the history of statements made by various devs. They know they owe but it doesn't matter when this is not in their current business plan.
That's why I'd go for a Paid KDF Expansion. Money talks after all. So if they see immediate profits in it maybe a completed KDF would end up on the front burner.
The ONLY way I would personally be willing to pay for an expansion, and it better be alot cheaper then those seen in WoW and other respectable MMOs, would be if its two or so more years down the line and they committed the next two years to PvP revamp (Crafting has already had its turn its PvPs turn) and Klingon Heavy Seasons. Along the way they could routinely drop Fed ships/kdf2fed content.
This way the expansion can orient itself towards introducing the Romulan faction and improving the existing KDF and Fed side.
By the way, I prefer not to play a Klingon. Theyre too hardheaded.
$30-50 Price tag.
40-50% Discount for LTS and Gold.
4 New STFs, available for both factions after purchase (Note: Would not include into the hive)
5 Other PvE Missions. 3 KDF only, 2 multifaction.
A Targ/Beast hunting mission, with trophies, accolades, and titles.
Unique Starship material for both factions. (I'd be open to some kind of Jolly Roger theme)
Special items available for all alts. (They could bring back the Preorder Items in this manner)
At least 10 KDF costumes (They've got loads to pick from)
Only one or two for feds. (Possibly Red Squad uniforms?)
Special titles & accolades.
30+ Missions for KDF advancement. (could be made available for everyone at a future date, just give me some kind of shiny for getting it early)
Ability to start KDF at level one, without going through Starfleet.
Possibly some kind of starbase reward (most likely just an aesthetic one) (KDF only)
A new tutorial available for everyone. (On KDF side)
This way KDF gets a lot of content, but still has enough shinies to entice mostly Fed players, like myself, into buying it. Even then, most of the shinies are mostly visual ones, or would be available for all alts on an account, in the case of the Preorder items.
Then stop complaining about how your game might be "devalued."
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If they can do that, good luck. I'll be waiting for it.
I don't see that happening though. I see them releasing more easier to develop stuff like ship reskins and other p2w stuff.
They get a lot of sales on that kind of stuff with a minimum of investment. They only really have to put their PvP guys (lol?) on the gear from time to time to fix and rebalance the parts. Usually months after PvPers complain about them.
Yes, I'm a little annoyed at the stuff that occasionally gets released into my favorite gametype. :P
20-30 new KDF missions
1 or 2 new KDF player species
Npc Orion,Gorn & Nausicaan ships for KDF players
Social Zones (Orion "homeworld", Nausicaan Asteroid etc)
More KDF sector space
More Outfits
You aren't the only one.... I'd be willing to bet they could introduce KDF Boot Pack to the Zen store and it'd sell pretty decently for footwear.
I know, it's not like they don't have options....
Consider that this expansion is supposed to bring the KDF faction in line with the Federation faction. This is basic, core game stuff that should have existed when the game launched. Why should KDF players pay to have their faction be where it should have been since Day 1 of the game going live?
We're not living in 2005. We're living in 2012 during a 7-year-long global recession where even the largest MMOs are reporting huge losses. WoW just reported their Sub-base is down to 9.1 million. That's 3 million Subs lost in 3 years: 25%, and it's only getting worse. No one is going to put a million dollars into the KDF just because it "should have existed." Not in this economy.
I am not complaining, I offered my opinion. This is a forum isn't it? Just checking...
Notice you haven't chimed in with your $.01 thoughts on this yet, just attacking other people...real classy...
WoW's losses may have more to do with Kung Fu Pandas than the economy. Just sayin'.
Agreed. But! On the plus side, that means we can ask for what we would pay for instead of paying for whatever the devs decide to throw at us.
Properly lit (non smokey) TOS klingon ship interiors (they look a bit like cubmarines but they ARE well lit)
30 or so new missions
Levels 1 and up
Then charge what you like and I'll pay it
But I would pay for a Romulan Expansion.
Just started playing KDF, about to hit Captain. Playing cause there's nothing more to do on my Fed, but I'm enjoying KDF more now that I know what I'm doing.
I'm afraid that once I'm lvl 50 in KDF, I will have nothing to do again. I'm not psyched to replay the same missions I finished as a Fed already, just in a different skin.
If it would help push the story forward and they throw in more stuff to boot (no clothing pun intended), then I might kick a few z points in.
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I've got two accounts in DDO that I pay a subscription for, I recently bought the collector's edition expansion for _both_ accounts as soon as it was available.
DDO has their FTP almost perfect, Cryptic on the other hand seem to be unable to stick to one direction for more than a month at a time and completely incapable of learning from other companies successes.
STO is now Free to play to make people pay for an expansion would defeat the whole point of F2P.
it may have worked if they did it during S2P (subscribe to play) but its not S2P anymore so.