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dashuk2381
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Going off the blog post on the front page, looks like the new Sovy has some goodies. While I'm honestly not all that excited about the Metreon Gas console(just seems like an overall silly idea to me) the 180 degree firing arc torpedo is an awesome idea and seems like something they should have done a long time ago for the AC class in general.
I wonder though if them putting that torpedo with the ship isn't just candy to make people buy the ship to get the weapon. Now a lot of the people who hate the design will buy it just to get the torpedo with a better firing arc to use on some of their other cruisers, heck I know I probably will.
I wonder though if them putting that torpedo with the ship isn't just candy to make people buy the ship to get the weapon. Now a lot of the people who hate the design will buy it just to get the torpedo with a better firing arc to use on some of their other cruisers, heck I know I probably will.
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I'm actually rather interested in the whole offering though.
For a cruiser, having the wide-angle torpedo means we can add torpedo barrages to our broadsides. We now have a 35-degree window angled towards fore or aft where our fore and aft beam arrays not only meet up with each other but also with the torpedo launcher.
Coupled with a few torpedo DOffs and cruisers just became devastating again.
If you do something crazy and use the Lt Universal for tac powers instead of science (relying on, say, Engineering team for a hull heal/buff cleanser), you'll have enough tac power slots to run a beam array/torpedo broadside build capable of both a Power to Shields and Tactical Team cycle.
I'm no cruiser savant, but here's what I thought of when I saw the post:
LtC Tac: Tactical Team I, Torp Spread II (or Attack Pattern Beta I or Fire At Will II), Fire At Will III (could be APB II or Torp Spread III)
En Tac: Tactical Team I (or a Torp Ability or FAW/Beam Overload)
Lt Uni (Tac): Tac Team (or a Torp/Beam ability depending on whether or not you use your En Tac for Tactical Team), Torp or Beam ability or Attack Pattern Beta
Com Eng: EPTS I, RSP I or Aux2SIF, EPTS III, Extend Shields (dropping Eject Warp Plasma in favor of the Metreon Console)
Lt En: EP to Weapons, Aux2SIF or Eng Team/DEM (or vice versa)
Consoles:
Tac: Damage for beams or torps depending on your power setup
Sci: Field Generators/Emitters
En: Armor consoles + Borg console and Metreon Console
Metreon gas console ? Well, I think it will be meh. Unless it works like warp plasma.
Pretty small drop on the average, but how about in projectile terms? Since it's a quantum with a 2x arc, maybe the raw damage difference between a quantum and a photon?
Or do you think they'll adjust cooldown time instead of damage numbers - say, a quantum with the reload of a transphasic (8.5 sec vs 10.5 sec)? I'd prefer the latter, personally. Not much point to having cool torp broadsides on a slow launcher.
Huh, but that's quite huge drop...
Since quantums are burst weapons to kill off enemy while shields are down (well timed) they will lack the only thing they are good at = BIG CRITS.
Shooting them on broadside will have minimum effect. Hell I'm pretty sure my Movement Pattern Snake with 1 photon torpedo would cause more dmg overall.
The idea of 180degree launchers is fine, but not at the cost of dmg. They might have increased the cooldown tho, so there would be dps drop but same dmg.
Being able to fire torpedoes from broadside is absolutely vital for cruisers. The target shields will already have been taken down by the full broadside of a cruiser's fore & aft beam arrays, so being able to fire off quantums immediately maximizes the damage potential.
Ah sorry, I was thinking about PVP (you know, the stuff where your target actually has shields and heals and even reinforces their shield facings), not PvE. Of course in PvE it will work fine. But even in PvE you can move in slithering pattern and rotate your broadside volleys with forward/aft torpedoes --> you just have to actually move, not just park and shoot from 10km.
I love parking and shooting. It's like a combat version of getting food at a drive through.
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The problem is in STF especially, those park and shoot odysseys are usually one shot by enemy torps because they have negative defence value and crits on them hit much harder. Also being close to the target improves dmg and you miss less.
Hence a cruiser that "hugs" his target will do more dmg and will be more resilient than the parking one because of his defence rating.
You can also see this in PvP, where inexperienced cruiser pilot do exactly the same they do in STF in PvP and are blown to pieces in seconds.
The quantum console is great for the parking gameplay, but I get the feeling it will be subpar in forward slot.
My guess is, the launcher will be popular aft weapon.
Anyway, I'm just saying do not have high expectation for the launcher, at least you won't be so disappointed.
I'm a hugger. The Unimatrix Command Ships have a restraining order on me.
And as a cruiser, that means I'm at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to torpedoes. That's why a launcher with a firing arc this wide is a godsend.
this might become my replacement
My Tac toon only flies his Heavy Escourt Carrier, and its getting a little dull so i want to build a broadsider for s**ts and giggles. I was planning on the ODY Tac Cruiser but I prefer the BOFF slots and the console goodies of this new Assault Cruiser.
This is what im planning (with all efficient Boffs):
Ensign tac| Tac Team I
Lieutenant Commander tac| Tac Team I, Beam FAW II ,Beam Overload III
Lieutenant engineering| Emergency Power to Weapons I, Aux to Structural I
Commander engineering|Engineering Team I, Extend Shields I, Reverse Shield Polarity II, Directed Energy Modulation III
Universal - Lieutenant Sci| Polarize Hull I, Hazard Emmiters II
Fore Weapons: DIS Dual beam array, DIS 2* beam array, Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher
Aft Weapons: DIS 3* beam array, 1* quantum launcher
Console Modifications:
Tactical: 2* Disruptor Induction Coil, Metreon Gas Canisters Console
Engineering: EPS Flow Regulator,Neutronium Alloy,Ablative Hull Armour, tetraburnium alloy
Science: 2* field generator
M.A.C.O Shield and Deflector, Borg Engines
But this is stil up for debate as i wont be able to afford this for 5 weeks as I save up zen
Ensign Tactical: BFAW-I
Lieutenant Commander Tactical: BFAW-I, Torpedo Spread II, TT-III
Commander Engineer: EPTS-I, RSP-I, DEM-II, Aux-SIF-III
Lieutenant Engineer: EPTS-I, RSP-I
Lieutenant Science: Science Team-I, Polarize Hull-II
Note: (Use of two tactical Con officers and I can use Tactical Team III every 15 seconds)
Fore Weapons: 3x MK XII [ACC x3] Phaser Beam Arrays & WAQTL
Aft Weapons: 3x MK XII [ACC x3] Phaser Beam Arrays & MK XII QTL [ACC x2]
Ship Equipment:
-Borg Deflector
-Borg Engines
-MACO MK XII Shield
Devices:
-Red Matter Capacitor
-Subspace Field Modulator
-Heavy Phaser Turret
-Dual use battery
Engineering Consoles:
-MK XII Monotanium Alloy
-MK XII Diburnium Hull Plating
-MK XII Tetraburnium Hull Armor
-Borg Assimilated Module
Science Consoles:
-MK XI Field Emitters
-MK XI Field Emitters
Tactical Consoles:
- Metrion Gas Canister
- MK XII Phaser Relay
- MK XII Phaser Relay
Ensign Tactical: BFAW-I
Lieutenant Commander Tactical: Tac Team-I, Torp Spread II, BFAW-III, APB-III (or APO-III)
Commander Engineer: EPTS-I, RSP-I, EPTS III, Extend Shields III (or Aux2SIF III, since w/o science hull heals needed)
Lieutenant Engineer: EPT Weapons I, Eng Team II (need debuff cleanser, could go vice-versa)
Lieutenant Universal (TAC): Tac Team-I, Torp Spread II (or Torp High Yield or Beam: Target Shields II if I want to go beam heavy)
(If/When I get them I may try out Phased Tetryons or Phased Polarons, but Phasers are what I own for now)
Fore Weapons: 3x Phaser Beam Arrays & WAQTL
Aft Weapons: 4x Phaser Beam Arrays or 3x Arrays + 1 Quantum Torp Launcher
Ship Equipment:
-MACO Deflector
-Borg Engines
-MACO MK XII Shield
Devices:
-Scorpion Fighters (or Phaser Turret)
-Subspace Field Modulator
-Dual Battery (Weapons/Shields)
-Deuterium surplus (or turret)
Engineering Consoles:
*Still evaluating use of specialized armor vs. Neutronium*
2x Neutronium
- Metreon Gas
-Borg Assimilated Module
Science Consoles:
-MK XI Field Emitters
-MK XI Field Emitters (or Grappler if tractor substitute needed)
Tactical Consoles:
*could go vice-versa if torps work out well*
- Quantum console
- MK XII Phaser Relay
- MK XII Phaser Relay[/QUOTE]
Only these spots switch places:
Vorcha Refit:
Ensign Engie
Lt Tac
Sovie:
Ensign Tac
Lt Engie
Well, and the Vorcha has better turn. lol.
And the Fleet version of this ship when it was up also Mimicked the Vorcha
4 Tac
4 Eng
2 Sci
Unless Im mistakin.
The problem there is, they are parked in the wrong parking area. The best place for any Tank/Anyone stupid enough to attack a tact tube up close, is above/top of the cube, where the firing arcs cant touch you. But even then you should make small circles above the cube to keep your defense value up. I've never been shot at above the firing arcs and my 3 Borg + MK 12 MACO Shields are 80-100%. 9 out of 10 times I survive every tact cube I face, only time I don't is when I have the internal 15second cooldown blocking me from an ability or something manages to hit me with "Assimilate Ship" >_<
1) Can this torp be placed in an Aft weapon slot?
2) IIRC this torp can mounted on all cruisers, did this include the D'kora and Galor?
1.) Unknown. Most of the theoretical builds in this thread and others (including mine), are simply working off the assumption that the thing is a standard quantum torpedo launcher [Acc] [CritH] with a 180-degree arc. Until it comes out...today, no one's sure if there have been any particular nerfs or enhancements besides the arc. I imagine it could be rear-mounted. There's no particular reason it shouldn't be. On a 180 arc if you're broadsiding it doesn't matter what side it's on.
2.) According to the blog "This launcher can be equipped on any starship, but you may only equip one." As far as I know both the Galor and D'kora are starships.
I just got an idea: What if you could mount this on a small craft for the Vault event? That'd be cool.
The Ferengi Rapid Fire Missile is fore only... which is why I ask
Could possible have two 180' torps on a cruiser...
6 beams broadside along with those two torps would hurt quite a bit
Ooh, nice idea. What kind of "missile" is it? Photon? Quantum? And do skills like spread and high yield apply?
And it's not on sale anymore! I'll never get one
It's just straight Kinetic Damage, I use it on my D'kora..
I'll have to test for spread and high yield (to which I think it works with high yield)
Only the straight +Torp Damage console and the Console 62 (Also a Ferengi item) buffs the damage. I believe mine is just under 3k, I'll to log to check... it does basically no damage to shields in exchange for it being an "antique"
Rapid Fire Missile Launcher
That's still pretty cool though, esp if spread and high yield work with it. The build I have in mind doesn't use torps for the major damage anyway, so having two 180s firing constantly is just gravy. Deadly gravy.
yea number was way off lol... its just under 1.4k.. but it fires a lot.. sometimes the 2nd one fires before first even lands.. I have the DPS clocked at 537.8 atm
But this one caught my attention mostly because I have not bought a z-store ship before and I have always been facing the "not enough tac slots" issue in Fed cruisers.
I am probably going to put the torpedo and the metreon gas console on my Fleet Patrol Escort which is my preferred tactical combatant.
On normal whales with only 2 tac powers I get around this limitation by using 3 pink quality Technicians and spamming Auxiliary to Battery 1 to reduce the tactical power cooldown from 30s to about 10s for CRF1. Remember CRF starts cooling down the moment you activate the power? Aux2Batt acts both to reduce the CD by 10s and also boosts weapon power immediately upon activation.
I also notice that with A2B1 I do not need to have duplicates of RSP or EPTS3, as the cooldowns for them are greatly reduced as well.
This is my prototype build which will hopefully be tested alongside other Regent captains tomorrow morning: -
T-ENS : TT1 HY2
T-Lt. Cdr : FAW1 CRF1 APD2
E-Lt. : ET1 Aux2Bat1
E-Cdr. : E2Aux RSP1 EPTS3 A2SIF3
Universal Lt. - Engr. : EPTW1 ES1
I intend to run the ship without any torpedoes and 4 beams and 4 cannons, on an Engineering character (to deal with obvious power drain issues). Aux2Batt1 will allow me to spam FAW, HY2, TT1 and CRF with practically double the speed, so no need for Blue Conn Officers or weapon cooldown doffs.
Note: if -really- running with no torpedoes then replace HY2 with something else, probably APB1.
I am undecided on EPTW1 because Aux2Batt boosts weapons, shields and engines simultaneously acting like EPTW1.5 by itself, but without the 10% damage boost.
Emergency to Auxiliary is something that I use on other ship builds to temporarily boost healing powers. I am also a bit leery about using the Universal slot for an Engineering boff as I really have no use for 3 Engineering Ensign powers, and the lack of science powers means no useful TSS1 and HE2 or PH1 and repulsors which are useful for damage resistance and saving PUG Elites respectively.
I only just stumbled onto this very resourceful thread but if anyone's interested I setup a "Regent Class Development" chat channel to see if anyone else wants to fly with or challenge other Regent class builders tomorrow.
Link
My Youtube Channel
This is an interesting build as well. I've never thought about builds that use Doffs to make up for those kinds of shortfalls (since they're pretty costly most of the time).
Makes you think that those folks whining about how consoles are always boring damage boosters might be missing the forest for the trees. The "exotic effects" they want are in your Doff choices.