As much as I would love to see a full Romulan faction I have no expectations of ever seeing one. The simple fact of the matter is that if they can't justify the resources too bring the KDF up to being on par with the Feds, mission content from lvl 1-50, then what hope do the Romulans have.
I agree, not only could they be but they should be, they should have been released with the game.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
At launch I bought a bunch of extra character slots. Those slots are all full now except for 3. I'm holding them for a Romulan of each profession. I'd love to see a full blown Romulan Star Empire in STO.
Alot of naive people still really think a Romulan faction can occur. It *can* occur but it will not be in a good or even acceptable state. If anything, it will be half-a$sed.
Think I'm full of it?
Ha! All I have to do is point towards the KDF faction, and say, "This is the result of 2 YEARS of so-called-development and neglect." The only thing ignored more than the KDF is PVP, which has gotten no attention at all ever since the game came out, and the state of PVP was not great at release.
Half-a$sed, lazy development. Even worse now since Cryptic's priorities are anywhere but STO. Actually, scratch that. The only thing Cryptic has as a priority for STO is figuring out novel ways to milk the living bejeezus out of Feds with the most bare-bones effort.
Could and should, but are very unlikely to be. Just look at the track record.
I think now with a continuation possibly happening with the Iconian threat, they might end up making a klingon version of the new missions, as the Klingons technically know of the Iconians as a result of the Featured Episodes with the Remans, and also from the Assimilation Undine mission. This means that the Klingons can possibly see new content since Alpha, which will finally put all the whining to an end of Cryptic neglecting the Klingons.
I think now with a continuation possibly happening with the Iconian threat, they might end up making a klingon version of the new missions, as the Klingons technically know of the Iconians as a result of the Featured Episodes with the Remans, and also from the Assimilation Undine mission. This means that the Klingons can possibly see new content since Alpha, which will finally put all the whining to an end of Cryptic neglecting the Klingons.
Not likely to happen. Cryptic has stated that they have no desire to add any new leveling content and are focused almost exclusively on endgame. As for what you call the "whining" ending, don't bet on it unless one of two things happen.
KDF gets reworked to become a full and proper faction starting at level 1.
The Romulan faction that is introduced becomes a sub-faction of the KDF so the two together are treated as a single faction, even though they would have different ships, interface, C-store items, etc. They would just have shared missions and would both be treated as KDF for the purpose of PVP. Making a full faction out of two half-factions.
You can bet, though, that if Cryptic releases a full Romulan faction without finishing the KDF first, the stink raised would be enough to choke the execs at CBS.
Not likely to happen. Cryptic has stated that they have no desire to add any new leveling content and are focused almost exclusively on endgame. As for what you call the "whining" ending, don't bet on it unless one of two things happen.
KDF gets reworked to become a full and proper faction starting at level 1.
The Romulan faction that is introduced becomes a sub-faction of the KDF so the two together are treated as a single faction, even though they would have different ships, interface, C-store items, etc. They would just have shared missions and would both be treated as KDF for the purpose of PVP. Making a full faction out of two half-factions.
You can bet, though, that if Cryptic releases a full Romulan faction without finishing the KDF first, the stink raised would be enough to choke the execs at CBS.
What I meant was that it would be endgame content, but it would be akin to the Featured Series since it's in a new sector (remember that they were originally going to do a FS with the Iconians).
If they add the Romulans to the KDF any boost they could have expected from adding the faction would never happen. Even though I've wanted Romulans from the beginning. I would never play them if they were added to the KDF.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
I honestly think the title of this thread would be better if it had the word "should" rather than "could".
But yeah, I think the devs really need to make them separate. Maybe start them off at the same level Klingons do for now, then work on Romulan centric missions (at least so they have parity with the Klingons for the moment). Then the FEs will make up the slack.
If they add the Romulans to the KDF any boost they could have expected from adding the faction would never happen. Even though I've wanted Romulans from the beginning. I would never play them if they were added to the KDF.
I think you misunderstood me,
The Romulans would be their own faction separate from the KDF. Their own ships, their own interface style, their own boffs and doffs, and their own C-Store items.
However due to alliance between the Romulans and the Klingons, they would be treated as the same faction for purposes of PVP and grouping. They would also have a lot of shared content (Though both would also have unique content as well).
Well, green is a popular color with both factions' ships already :P
That's true, and besides it would be more cost effective to make them a part of an existing faction that it would be to retool and rebalance a game designed for two factions to account for three.
It would give the KDF players something to make up for the disarray the faction is in, and it would introduce the Romulans in to the game as a playable faction.
Finally, it would keep the lion's share of cloaking tech firmly out of the Federation's hands and maintain some semblance of uniqueness between them.
But the Klingons and Romulans are currently at war, so they'd have to resolve that first in order for the two to form an alliance, the only thing the Romulans would except is for the Klingons to fully withdraw from their space. I highly doubt the Klingons would go for that, or that the Chairman would survive such an order.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
You want romulans to be a full faction? get more klingon support first. the 16% BS has to end. Besides. if there were romulans I think the number of content would be around the same as Klingons and the number would be 10%...
I'm sorry but I don't believe that we should be held hostage by the Klingons, while I support the Klingon faction getting fully fleshed out, I'd much rather them push the Romulans out, even if that means delaying fully fleshing out the klingons.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
at the moment the KDF only has what 8 unique missions to it's name? wtf would we need a third faction added when the second one isn't even 1/10th of a full faction... if they can't properly handle 2 factions in this game adding a third would just be a disaster... I'd rather have 2 nice full factions than 1 actual faction and 2 content-less half assed ones
at the moment the KDF only has what 8 unique missions to it's name?
Actually 9, as Alpha was added to the KDF back in April.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The KDF do also have access to the Undine Front Missions, and all the FEs, plus Sorties (which are also unique content for the KDF). At level 50 they're no worse-off the the Fed players, IMO. Considering they only need to go up 25 levels that's actually not too bad.
I'm not really sure why the Borg Front Missions haven't also been converted for use by the KDF. It doesn't seem like it would take that much effort to add them as well.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm sorry but I don't believe that we should be held hostage by the Klingons, while I support the Klingon faction getting fully fleshed out, I'd much rather them push the Romulans out, even if that means delaying fully fleshing out the klingons.
My counter argument to this would be: if they can't make the KDF a fully fleshed out faction, the how much could you trust them to make the RSE a fully fleshed out faction.
Then there is the nerd-rage that would happen if the RSE were a full faction while the KDF was still neglected. Not to mention the rage generated over the simple fact that the RSE were even being released, regardless of their state.
If you want a full KDF content, I suggest you get thousands of more players to play the game and spent a massive amount of money so that the Devs will be able to create the content until then, not enough players play the KDF. It doesnt matter that pre-50 level players dont want to play a half faction, but the Devs have constantly said that most of the KDF are top level, so that means people with KDF top level characters are generally not using them in lieu of Fed top level characters even though endgame content is the same and open to both.
I, personally, wouldnt mind an endgame faction such as the Romulans and we get the Foundry to produce the story content.
If you want a full KDF content, I suggest you get thousands of more players to play the game and spent a massive amount of money so that the Devs will be able to create the content until then, not enough players play the KDF. It doesnt matter that pre-50 level players dont want to play a half faction, but the Devs have constantly said that most of the KDF are top level, so that means people with KDF top level characters are generally not using them in lieu of Fed top level characters even though endgame content is the same and open to both.
I, personally, wouldnt mind an endgame faction such as the Romulans and we get the Foundry to produce the story content.
Think through what you're writing here...Thousands of more players joined after the game went F2p so that happened and it has certainly made them (PWE) more money to the point of doubling their employees from 20 to 40 and they still http://crypticstudios.com/openings so that's not so much of an issue as it was pre-PWE days.
As for missions, they already have quite a few missions have yet to see the light of day on the KDF side, I really recommend you listen to the interview with Kestrel.
We'll see what course of action takes over the next few months, if nothing happens by Season 8 I would say that its unlikely we'll see the KDF fleshed out...Personally I prefer the storyline missions progressing your character from the lowest rank to the highest with proper tutorials so I can get engrossed in the Star Trek universe which in itself could be fleshed out far more, but if those who want to skip to level 20 should be given the option to do so on any faction after reaching level 50 at least once on a character.
If you want a full KDF content, I suggest you get thousands of more players to play the game and spent a massive amount of money so that the Devs will be able to create the content
And if you ever want a Romulan faction, I would suggest you do the same. Why? Because the Devs have said that they wont be adding any new factions until the KDF is finished
And if you ever want a Romulan faction, I would suggest you do the same. Why? Because the Devs have said that they wont be adding any new factions until the KDF is finished
Of course the definition of "finished" is fluid.... It's not clear how far KDF is from "finished" to the Devs.
The Federation is always going to be the top dog, it's what happens in any Star Trek game that features all three factions. The Federation is the largest, with a smaller contingent of people playing the Klingons and the Romulans. The Klingons and Romulans just aren't popular with enough of the player base for the two factions combined to equal the numbers of the Federation. Even with a fully fleshed out Klingon experience you wouldn't equal the Federation. I'm tired of having to wait for the Klingons to be finished to play a Romulan.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
I'd have put a Romulan Faction more within Eng/Sci than Tac/Sci. The D'Deridex (used throughout TNG & DS9) is a Cruiser. Heck, if done right (which it probably wont be) a Romulan faction could utilize all three careers.
As for playable species within a Romulan faction; Romulan and Reman are a given. The Hirogen could be implemented fairly easily too; having mostly Escorts for ships. The Icionian though? I'm not seeing that. The Icionian and the Romulan aren't friends. The Icionian are using the Romulan (as they did with the Undine and Tholian) to stir up trouble before their invasion.
Romulans will NEVER be a "full blown" faction because Cryptic cant make enough Romulan content. They cant even make enough KDF content to make a "full blown" Klingon faction.
Having been involved in the Bridge Commander and Armada II community, I happen to know that there are unique designs out there; hell I've been involved with some of them myself. All Cryptic need do is contact a few authors and they'd have more than enough permissions for a fully fledged fleet.
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Indeed. No faction, especially one of the major powers of Star Trek since TOS, should not be done half-assed.
Could and should, but are very unlikely to be. Just look at the track record.
I think now with a continuation possibly happening with the Iconian threat, they might end up making a klingon version of the new missions, as the Klingons technically know of the Iconians as a result of the Featured Episodes with the Remans, and also from the Assimilation Undine mission. This means that the Klingons can possibly see new content since Alpha, which will finally put all the whining to an end of Cryptic neglecting the Klingons.
Not likely to happen. Cryptic has stated that they have no desire to add any new leveling content and are focused almost exclusively on endgame. As for what you call the "whining" ending, don't bet on it unless one of two things happen.
KDF gets reworked to become a full and proper faction starting at level 1.
The Romulan faction that is introduced becomes a sub-faction of the KDF so the two together are treated as a single faction, even though they would have different ships, interface, C-store items, etc. They would just have shared missions and would both be treated as KDF for the purpose of PVP. Making a full faction out of two half-factions.
You can bet, though, that if Cryptic releases a full Romulan faction without finishing the KDF first, the stink raised would be enough to choke the execs at CBS.
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What I meant was that it would be endgame content, but it would be akin to the Featured Series since it's in a new sector (remember that they were originally going to do a FS with the Iconians).
But yeah, I think the devs really need to make them separate. Maybe start them off at the same level Klingons do for now, then work on Romulan centric missions (at least so they have parity with the Klingons for the moment). Then the FEs will make up the slack.
Maybe.
I think you misunderstood me,
The Romulans would be their own faction separate from the KDF. Their own ships, their own interface style, their own boffs and doffs, and their own C-Store items.
However due to alliance between the Romulans and the Klingons, they would be treated as the same faction for purposes of PVP and grouping. They would also have a lot of shared content (Though both would also have unique content as well).
That's true, and besides it would be more cost effective to make them a part of an existing faction that it would be to retool and rebalance a game designed for two factions to account for three.
It would give the KDF players something to make up for the disarray the faction is in, and it would introduce the Romulans in to the game as a playable faction.
Finally, it would keep the lion's share of cloaking tech firmly out of the Federation's hands and maintain some semblance of uniqueness between them.
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The KDF do also have access to the Undine Front Missions, and all the FEs, plus Sorties (which are also unique content for the KDF). At level 50 they're no worse-off the the Fed players, IMO. Considering they only need to go up 25 levels that's actually not too bad.
I'm not really sure why the Borg Front Missions haven't also been converted for use by the KDF. It doesn't seem like it would take that much effort to add them as well.
Yeah, I'd say that at lvl 50 the Feds and KDF are about on par. It's just everything before that that's the problem. :P
My counter argument to this would be: if they can't make the KDF a fully fleshed out faction, the how much could you trust them to make the RSE a fully fleshed out faction.
Then there is the nerd-rage that would happen if the RSE were a full faction while the KDF was still neglected. Not to mention the rage generated over the simple fact that the RSE were even being released, regardless of their state.
I, personally, wouldnt mind an endgame faction such as the Romulans and we get the Foundry to produce the story content.
Think through what you're writing here...Thousands of more players joined after the game went F2p so that happened and it has certainly made them (PWE) more money to the point of doubling their employees from 20 to 40 and they still http://crypticstudios.com/openings so that's not so much of an issue as it was pre-PWE days.
As for missions, they already have quite a few missions have yet to see the light of day on the KDF side, I really recommend you listen to the interview with Kestrel.
We'll see what course of action takes over the next few months, if nothing happens by Season 8 I would say that its unlikely we'll see the KDF fleshed out...Personally I prefer the storyline missions progressing your character from the lowest rank to the highest with proper tutorials so I can get engrossed in the Star Trek universe which in itself could be fleshed out far more, but if those who want to skip to level 20 should be given the option to do so on any faction after reaching level 50 at least once on a character.
And if you ever want a Romulan faction, I would suggest you do the same. Why? Because the Devs have said that they wont be adding any new factions until the KDF is finished
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As for playable species within a Romulan faction; Romulan and Reman are a given. The Hirogen could be implemented fairly easily too; having mostly Escorts for ships. The Icionian though? I'm not seeing that. The Icionian and the Romulan aren't friends. The Icionian are using the Romulan (as they did with the Undine and Tholian) to stir up trouble before their invasion.
Anyone ever heard of the Garidian?
Having been involved in the Bridge Commander and Armada II community, I happen to know that there are unique designs out there; hell I've been involved with some of them myself. All Cryptic need do is contact a few authors and they'd have more than enough permissions for a fully fledged fleet.