I'd have put a Romulan Faction more within Eng/Sci than Tac/Sci. The D'Deridex (used throughout TNG & DS9) is a Cruiser. Heck, if done right (which it probably wont be) a Romulan faction could utilize all three careers.
As for playable species within a Romulan faction; Romulan and Reman are a given. The Hirogen could be implemented fairly easily too; having mostly Escorts for ships. The Icionian though? I'm not seeing that. The Icionian and the Romulan aren't friends. The Icionian are using the Romulan (as they did with the Undine and Tholian) to stir up trouble before their invasion.
Romulans will NEVER be a "full blown" faction because Cryptic cant make enough Romulan content. They cant even make enough KDF content to make a "full blown" Klingon faction.
Having been involved in the Bridge Commander and Armada II community, I happen to know that there are unique designs out there; hell I've been involved with some of them myself. All Cryptic need do is contact a few authors and they'd have more than enough permissions for a fully fledged fleet.
Those are the intellectual property of another company and can therfore not be used.
Cryptic officals have specifically said before they can not reference games from other companies.
Having been involved in the Bridge Commander and Armada II community, I happen to know that there are unique designs out there; hell I've been involved with some of them myself. All Cryptic need do is contact a few authors and they'd have more than enough permissions for a fully fledged fleet.
While I personally would love to see some fan designs (or ships from other games for that matter) truth is it's not that easy from a legal point of view.
They can't just use fan-submitted ships (there was a thead about this on the old forums where one of the mods specificall said so) otherwise I'd have my own post-Nemesis era Romulan D7 refit ready for submission.
But reality is if it isn't frrom Cryptic it's not likely to get into the game.
Those are the intellectual property of another company and can therfore not be used. Cryptic officals have specifically said before they can not reference games from other companies.
While I personally would love to see some fan designs (or ships from other games for that matter) truth is it's not that easy from a legal point of view.
They can't just use fan-submitted ships (there was a thead about this on the old forums where one of the mods specificall said so) otherwise I'd have my own post-Nemesis era Romulan D7 refit ready for submission. But reality is if it isn't frrom Cryptic it's not likely to get into the game.
Isn't the Vesta a fan design? They're going to be making use of that.
I'm not talking about fan submitted designs (cause then you'd have half the community submitting entries). What I'm on about is for Cryptic to have a look around, see what's out there and if they see something they like, they can contact the original author for permission (make it simple, state they'd like to use it for STO free of charge and ask permission from the author). Providing the author gives permission, there shouldn't be no legal issues. The author has given permission for his material to be used, the STO team would likely create their own version of said ship (make use of cannons and dual beams ect) and then put it in the game.
There are enough ships + races to feed off of this. It could also (viably) be a mini-faction.
First the races:
1. Romulan
2. Reman
3. Hirogen
4. Iconian?
...
I still waiting for playable romulans but disagreed with OP ;
Romulan Star Empire MUST to be xenophobic & arogant
Only playable species should to be pure Romulans ...and ex borg drones Romulans
No humans or hybrids, no aliens...
Remans place is underground ,if they wish lighter place they ll got blaster shoot
Hirogens must to be pushed back in delta quadrant or destroyed
Iconians.....hey ... is that joke?
f*ck Sela & her servants ,lets rebuild clean Romulan Star Empire... free & bring back Donatra from colective
LoR should to be about rebuilding Romulan Star Empire,liberating Donatra from borg collective ,confronting Sela & madness of Tal Shiar,claiming Vulcan as new romulan homeworld...
The Federation is always going to be the top dog, it's what happens in any Star Trek game that features all three factions. The Federation is the largest, with a smaller contingent of people playing the Klingons and the Romulans. The Klingons and Romulans just aren't popular with enough of the player base for the two factions combined to equal the numbers of the Federation. Even with a fully fleshed out Klingon experience you wouldn't equal the Federation. I'm tired of having to wait for the Klingons to be finished to play a Romulan.
I don't think anyone would ever claim otherwise with regards to Federation popularity, pretty much goes without saying, however can other factions numbers be increased? I think with STO they certainly can be.
I've been gaming since the 80's and one thing which seems to be universal, Star Trek games have sucked and have almost in all cases have had terrible reviews in the press and with other games out there doing a better job the numbers of players have always been lower...
STO had a terrible launch as we know, but it has managed to survive and come a long way, but more needs to be done perhaps you'll err, we'll get our Romulan faction at the same time as the KDF get their fleshing out.
Isn't the Vesta a fan design? They're going to be making use of that.
I'm not talking about fan submitted designs (cause then you'd have half the community submitting entries). What I'm on about is for Cryptic to have a look around, see what's out there and if they see something they like, they can contact the original author for permission (make it simple, state they'd like to use it for STO free of charge and ask permission from the author). Providing the author gives permission, there shouldn't be no legal issues. The author has given permission for his material to be used, the STO team would likely create their own version of said ship (make use of cannons and dual beams ect) and then put it in the game.
I can't see the problems myself...
The Vesta was used in some other works (the Pocket Book novels and the "Ships of the Line" Calender) previously and despite that they've by now spent how long trying to get the ship into the game?
*scratches head*
A year?
Longer?
And how long did the people from "Ships of the Line" and Pocket Books to get it?
I don't know really but obviously it's not a simple "ask and it's done" matter.
Besides if it were that easy, why haven't they done this already in the previous 3 years?
I don't know really but obviously it's not a simple "ask and it's done" matter.
I'd love to know why (or how) it isn't a simply 'ask and receive' policy with regard to fan designs. In theory, such wouldn't have anything to do with CBS because they wouldn't own any rights to any fan designs. It would be strictly an agreement between Cryptic and the design Author.
I'd love to know why (or how) it isn't a simply 'ask and receive' policy with regard to fan designs. In theory, such wouldn't have anything to do with CBS because they wouldn't own any rights to any fan designs. It would be strictly an agreement between Cryptic and the design Author.
Least, in theory.
I'd like to know myself.
I do know what was said back when this matter came up:
post#4 is the relevant here, it was by moderator WishStone.
My guess is the problem is that CBS has to sign off on anything Cryptic publishes.
And as we've seen with the Enterprise-F contest that there was a whole lot of legal hassle attached to those ships as well.
So it would seem it's not just between the modeler and Cryptic, it has to go through CBS first.
Remember what happened to the Kzinti.:(
Welcome to reality, where your wishes are not horses.
And for the record: I don't like being right when it come to stuff like this.
My guess is the problem is that CBS has to sign off on anything Cryptic publishes. And as we've seen with the Enterprise-F contest that there was a whole lot of legal hassle attached to those ships as well. So it would seem it's not just between the modeler and Cryptic, it has to go through CBS first.
Actually, no. I had no idea the Kzinti were ever mentioned for STO, though I only started playing the game this year, and am somewhat newish to the forums so have probably missed a whole bunch of legal stuff.
What happened? Someone get their knickers in a twist?
I have to agree regarding the make up of races with a slight change. Obviously it would be Romulans and Remans, with liberated versions of both. However, Hirogen should NOT be a playable species in the Empire, they were brought in by Sela and now that Sela, the individual with whom they had an agreement, is gone there is nothing tying them together. If anything the early faction missions should revolve around removing their presence from Romulan space.
I also have no problem with them adding aliens, or creating some of the Empires client races we've heard of but never actually seen. There had long been tension between Romulus, the colonies, and it's client races regarding better representation. Now that Romulus is gone there's no reason to believe that the colonies, and client races wouldn't band together.
Also, could we have some sort of weird temporal, dimensional gateway event that returns Romulus from the moment of it's destruction to herald the Empires arrival?
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Factions are an MMO trope. You're never going to see that gone. Too many games have the Red and Blue side; and all MMOs need to be similar enough so that its easy to understand for new MMOers coming to the game.
Guild Wars 2, wants a word with you. This game has 5 playable races, and ZERO factions. All players can team up with members of other races, visit each others capitol ciites, do dungeon content together etc.
There's no real reason to artifically "wall" the community behind such an arcane concept as 'Factions'. Factions make sense in a PVP centric game, where the intent is for one group of players to win over a competing group of players. It has no place in a PVE centric game, where the goal is to cooperate to fight "the greater evil".
Bottomline is, I think this entire "war" between the Federation and the KDF is pointless. There are far more serious threats out in the galaxy, and Cryptic artifically designs these two "factions" to fight each other, instead of cooperating against the greater threat. The exception ofcourse, being the revamped STFs and the "Omega Force". Everywhere else in the game, it's plainly obvious that the war is still ongoing.
I'd love to know why (or how) it isn't a simply 'ask and receive' policy with regard to fan designs. In theory, such wouldn't have anything to do with CBS because they wouldn't own any rights to any fan designs. It would be strictly an agreement between Cryptic and the design Author.
As I have spent over a year play-testing GW2 I can say for a fact that they've had SEVERAL words with me.
The fact that there is a PvPish game that doesn't focus on Factions doesn't mean that most follow suit. IE, the fact that one person is deaf doesn't mean that most people don't hear. The fact is that vast majority of games do use Factions and the vast majority of people can hear.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I have to agree regarding the make up of races with a slight change. Obviously it would be Romulans and Remans, with liberated versions of both. However, Hirogen should NOT be a playable species in the Empire, they were brought in by Sela and now that Sela, the individual with whom they had an agreement, is gone there is nothing tying them together. If anything the early faction missions should revolve around removing their presence from Romulan space.
It would make sense to believe that whilst the Hirogen had dealings with Sela, Sela wasn't the only Romulan who was on relative terms with the Hirogen. I'd think it's safe to say that there are still Romulans out there who would continue to welcome to Hirogen.
As for another faction, I know (via cannon) it hasn't been seen yet, though half of STO lore is contradictory to what we'd have believed. Anyway, how about throwing the Son'a in there as allies to the Romulan Empire? Gives them a few more ships to play with in addition to three races (Son'a, Ellora and them other ones; names I've forgotten).
Yeah, we've established that. What we haven't established though is why.
I'm not privy to the licensing terms Cryptic got, but the fact is that they were obligated to seek a license to use Star Trek from CBS and that CBS can impose any conditions they want in that license. Also, as I understand trademark law, it requires that the owner of the trademark must actively protect their trademark or risk losing it.
CBS also has to function as the gatekeeper between the various licensees. Cryptic can't freely borrow from every bit of Trek lore, such as the Star Trek reboot or the various novels, and vice versa. CBS is in the position of needing to make sure their licensees don't infringe on each others' unique intellectual properties.
That takes care of the legal aspect.
The other thing is that CBS makes a lot of money from licensing Star Trek products, even if they aren't actively producing a TV series at the moment. They have a "brand image" to protect, and anything that distorts the "brand" is not welcome. So they would insist on having a say in how Star Trek is portrayed in any media.
That said, I get the impression that CBS is not that difficult for Cryptic to work with and that they don't say "no" a whole lot. That probably has a lot to say about how closely Cryptic tries to follow the IP.
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I'm getting no show on any post by WishStone. Thread Search comes back with no results either.
Yeah, it's from the old forums.
Since EVERY post from back then is now designated "archived post" that's what we're stuck with.
But as you can clearly see from those who quoted that post it was from that moderator.
No, that's a fact.
It has been said several times by the developers that CBS has a say what is possible and what is not.
T5 TOS Connie was vetoed, Enterprise-J was vetoed etc.
Actually, no. I had no idea the Kzinti were ever mentioned for STO, though I only started playing the game this year, and am somewhat newish to the forums so have probably missed a whole bunch of legal stuff.
What happened? Someone get their knickers in a twist?
They tried to get the Kzinti into STO a while back.
The Kzinti were indended to go to the KDF side as a counter to the Caitians.
Since the Kzinti were in the Animated Series it was hoped this would be possible.
In the end the idea was rejected by CBS.
Nothing about their knickers was mentioned in this context however.:)
They tried to get the Kzinti into STO a while back.
The Kzinti were indended to go to the KDF side as a counter to the Caitians.
Since the Kzinti were in the Animated Series it was hoped this would be possible.
In the end the idea was rejected by CBS.
Actually, CBS doesn't own the rights to the Kzinti. The rights to the Kzinti are still owned by Niven. Larry Niven was one of the writers for TAS and wrote the episode that featured the Kzinti.
Actually, CBS doesn't own the rights to the Kzinti. The rights to the Kzinti are still owned by Niven. Larry Niven was one of the writers for TAS and wrote the episode that featured the Kzinti.
We have learned from CBS that we will not be able to feature the Kzinti as a playable faction as their backstory and specifics are tied to Niven's literary works and our current license does not cover that. (We were able to use the Caitians as they appeared outside of the animated series)
Instead we are investigating what other feline-like species might be allied with the KDF.
The Hirogen tolerated other Romulans but the had a deal with Sela, as evidenced by the fact that they have also hunted other Romulans. Her disappearance invalidates that agreement, thus placing them as a member race of the RSE makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
The only way Cyptic/Pw would make a fully playable faction is if it made them money, **** i bet they would make a romulan faction only if you buy the skins/charaters/ships/content though the c-store.
That would get money out of my pocket, as it would plenty others here who want to fly Romulan ships ... I already have a Joined Trill, and a Liberated Borg - both of them cost me $.
I'm not privy to the licensing terms Cryptic got, but the fact is that they were obligated to seek a license to use Star Trek from CBS and that CBS can impose any conditions they want in that license. Also, as I understand trademark law, it requires that the owner of the trademark must actively protect their trademark or risk losing it.
CBS also has to function as the gatekeeper between the various licensees. Cryptic can't freely borrow from every bit of Trek lore, such as the Star Trek reboot or the various novels, and vice versa. CBS is in the position of needing to make sure their licensees don't infringe on each others' unique intellectual properties.
That takes care of the legal aspect.
The other thing is that CBS makes a lot of money from licensing Star Trek products, even if they aren't actively producing a TV series at the moment. They have a "brand image" to protect, and anything that distorts the "brand" is not welcome. So they would insist on having a say in how Star Trek is portrayed in any media.
That said, I get the impression that CBS is not that difficult for Cryptic to work with and that they don't say "no" a whole lot. That probably has a lot to say about how closely Cryptic tries to follow the IP.
I appreciate the lesson in law. Still, I wouldn't see CBS having a huge problem allowing various fan designs for this game, especially for the Klingon Faction which is somewhat lacking at the moment. Same problem would come up where a Romulan (or future) faction is concerned.
Yeah, it's from the old forums. Since EVERY post from back then is now designated "archived post" that's what we're stuck with. But as you can clearly see from those who quoted that post it was from that moderator.
Yeah, I have since looked over it and can see who you were on about. Should have sussed that when you said post #4.
T5 TOS Connie was vetoed, Enterprise-J was vetoed etc.
I can respectfully accept both of these. T5 TOS Connie wouldn't happen when you've got the Sovereign around, and the Enterprise-J? Don't think we're there yet.
They tried to get the Kzinti into STO a while back. The Kzinti were indended to go to the KDF side as a counter to the Caitians. Since the Kzinti were in the Animated Series it was hoped this would be possible. In the end the idea was rejected by CBS. Nothing about their knickers was mentioned in this context however.
That sucks a little, though doesn't make a whole lot of sense seeing as we now have the Ferasan species. What's the difference suppose to be here? :rolleyes:
The Hirogen tolerated other Romulans but the had a deal with Sela, as evidenced by the fact that they have also hunted other Romulans. Her disappearance invalidates that agreement, thus placing them as a member race of the RSE makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Then who else would you have? If we're ever likely to have a Romulan faction, we ideally need more than just Romulan and Reman. Short of the Son'a (cause they're all I can think of right now) there ain't anyone else I can think of that would ally with the RSE.
The only way Cyptic/Pw would make a fully playable faction is if it made them money, **** i bet they would make a romulan faction only if you buy the skins/charaters/ships/content though the c-store.
They can't charge people to play as a Romulan just as they didn't with the Klingon. They'd probably give us the bare essentials and then add prices atop of that.
In regards to Romulan factions though, we've potentially ruled out the Hirogen cause Sela has done a vanishing act. I'd vote in the Son'a if it could be made possible. Short of them, why not some already existing races like the Pakled and Rigelian? The Romulans did / do have dealings with the Rigelian and it stands to reason they'd not all be under the Federation banner. The Pakled (and Ferengi) aren't Federation members yet I don't think; they're more limited in their volunteering. Maybe even throw in the odd rare Vulcan (rebel) or something? Might even be able to get away with a Lethean or something?
I don't want to see the Romulan faction until the KDF are finished.
I think the entire integrity of STO hinges on completing the KDF.
We were promised this, time and time again, and asked to be patient.
We have been patient and now , its Cryptics responsibility to finish the KDF before introducing another incomplete faction.
We have been patient and now , its Cryptics responsibility to finish the KDF before introducing another incomplete faction.
Oh this goes without saying. We shouldn't get a Romulan faction (of any shape, size or form) until the Klingon faction is on par with the Federation. Failure to complete the Klingon faction before giving us a Romulan one is only going to result in a Romulan faction facing the same issues as the current Klingon faction has.
I would be content with simply Romulans, Remans, Liberated versions of each, and aliens. IF they want to throw in some of the Client races, bonus. I do not want races that are not members of the Empire simply thrown in to flesh out the available races to play.
Also I'm so sick of the anti-Romulan pro-KDF BS that I don't care if they never finish the KDF, I want a Romulan faction.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Also I'm so sick of the anti-Romulan pro-KDF BS that I don't care if they never finish the KDF, I want a Romulan faction.
The reason there is so much of this sentiment is that...well there are so many reasons it isn't funny but if you were to get your wish Romulans would be *WORSE* than what the Klingons are now, leading to more complaints. Then Cryptic would have to release things for all three factions and we would move at an even slower pace than we already are. It's insanity to expect a third faction from a game that can't support 2. Later down the road when KDF is on = grounds sure. Until then no way. I don't hardly play KDF at all and love Romulans but I would rather never see Romulans then to see the KDF continue to rot.
I would be content with simply Romulans, Remans, Liberated versions of each, and aliens. IF they want to throw in some of the Client races, bonus. I do not want races that are not members of the Empire simply thrown in to flesh out the available races to play.
If species were just thrown in there for the sake of it, then yeah, I'd rather not have them. However, some species could work.
New Romulus is in the same Sector Block as the Suliban System; the Suliban would make for excellent spies, and I could see them working for the Tal Shiar. The Vaadwaur are in a similar position to the Romulans in the sense that they've lost a vast majority of their population. They've got a military, tactics and subspace corridors. An alliance with a rebuilding Romulan faction would aid both greatly.
The reason there is so much of this sentiment is that...well there are so many reasons it isn't funny but if you were to get your wish Romulans would be *WORSE* than what the Klingons are now, leading to more complaints.
Keanu is right here, if they went ahead with a Romulan faction right now, it would undoubtedly end up in a worse state than the Klingon one. They need to dedicate an entire season to bringing the Klingon faction up to speed with the Federation, and then work on a Romulan faction.
Then Cryptic would have to release things for all three factions and we would move at an even slower pace than we already are.
That would be two factions. Cryptic don't need to add anything else to the Federation, they've already got enough.
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As for playable species within a Romulan faction; Romulan and Reman are a given. The Hirogen could be implemented fairly easily too; having mostly Escorts for ships. The Icionian though? I'm not seeing that. The Icionian and the Romulan aren't friends. The Icionian are using the Romulan (as they did with the Undine and Tholian) to stir up trouble before their invasion.
Anyone ever heard of the Garidian?
Having been involved in the Bridge Commander and Armada II community, I happen to know that there are unique designs out there; hell I've been involved with some of them myself. All Cryptic need do is contact a few authors and they'd have more than enough permissions for a fully fledged fleet.
Those are the intellectual property of another company and can therfore not be used.
Cryptic officals have specifically said before they can not reference games from other companies.
While I personally would love to see some fan designs (or ships from other games for that matter) truth is it's not that easy from a legal point of view.
They can't just use fan-submitted ships (there was a thead about this on the old forums where one of the mods specificall said so) otherwise I'd have my own post-Nemesis era Romulan D7 refit ready for submission.
But reality is if it isn't frrom Cryptic it's not likely to get into the game.
Isn't the Vesta a fan design? They're going to be making use of that.
I'm not talking about fan submitted designs (cause then you'd have half the community submitting entries). What I'm on about is for Cryptic to have a look around, see what's out there and if they see something they like, they can contact the original author for permission (make it simple, state they'd like to use it for STO free of charge and ask permission from the author). Providing the author gives permission, there shouldn't be no legal issues. The author has given permission for his material to be used, the STO team would likely create their own version of said ship (make use of cannons and dual beams ect) and then put it in the game.
I can't see the problems myself...
I still waiting for playable romulans but disagreed with OP ;
Romulan Star Empire MUST to be xenophobic & arogant
Only playable species should to be pure Romulans ...and ex borg drones Romulans
No humans or hybrids, no aliens...
Remans place is underground ,if they wish lighter place they ll got blaster shoot
Hirogens must to be pushed back in delta quadrant or destroyed
Iconians.....hey ... is that joke?
f*ck Sela & her servants ,lets rebuild clean Romulan Star Empire... free & bring back Donatra from colective
I don't think anyone would ever claim otherwise with regards to Federation popularity, pretty much goes without saying, however can other factions numbers be increased? I think with STO they certainly can be.
I've been gaming since the 80's and one thing which seems to be universal, Star Trek games have sucked and have almost in all cases have had terrible reviews in the press and with other games out there doing a better job the numbers of players have always been lower...
STO had a terrible launch as we know, but it has managed to survive and come a long way, but more needs to be done perhaps you'll err, we'll get our Romulan faction at the same time as the KDF get their fleshing out.
The Vesta was used in some other works (the Pocket Book novels and the "Ships of the Line" Calender) previously and despite that they've by now spent how long trying to get the ship into the game?
*scratches head*
A year?
Longer?
And how long did the people from "Ships of the Line" and Pocket Books to get it?
I don't know really but obviously it's not a simple "ask and it's done" matter.
Besides if it were that easy, why haven't they done this already in the previous 3 years?
Least, in theory.
I'd like to know myself.
I do know what was said back when this matter came up:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=214403&highlight=legal
post#4 is the relevant here, it was by moderator WishStone.
My guess is the problem is that CBS has to sign off on anything Cryptic publishes.
And as we've seen with the Enterprise-F contest that there was a whole lot of legal hassle attached to those ships as well.
So it would seem it's not just between the modeler and Cryptic, it has to go through CBS first.
Remember what happened to the Kzinti.:(
Welcome to reality, where your wishes are not horses.
And for the record: I don't like being right when it come to stuff like this.
That's TRIBBLE.
Actually, no. I had no idea the Kzinti were ever mentioned for STO, though I only started playing the game this year, and am somewhat newish to the forums so have probably missed a whole bunch of legal stuff.
What happened? Someone get their knickers in a twist?
I also have no problem with them adding aliens, or creating some of the Empires client races we've heard of but never actually seen. There had long been tension between Romulus, the colonies, and it's client races regarding better representation. Now that Romulus is gone there's no reason to believe that the colonies, and client races wouldn't band together.
Also, could we have some sort of weird temporal, dimensional gateway event that returns Romulus from the moment of it's destruction to herald the Empires arrival?
Guild Wars 2, wants a word with you. This game has 5 playable races, and ZERO factions. All players can team up with members of other races, visit each others capitol ciites, do dungeon content together etc.
There's no real reason to artifically "wall" the community behind such an arcane concept as 'Factions'. Factions make sense in a PVP centric game, where the intent is for one group of players to win over a competing group of players. It has no place in a PVE centric game, where the goal is to cooperate to fight "the greater evil".
Bottomline is, I think this entire "war" between the Federation and the KDF is pointless. There are far more serious threats out in the galaxy, and Cryptic artifically designs these two "factions" to fight each other, instead of cooperating against the greater threat. The exception ofcourse, being the revamped STFs and the "Omega Force". Everywhere else in the game, it's plainly obvious that the war is still ongoing.
CBS have a say regardless.
The fact that there is a PvPish game that doesn't focus on Factions doesn't mean that most follow suit. IE, the fact that one person is deaf doesn't mean that most people don't hear. The fact is that vast majority of games do use Factions and the vast majority of people can hear.
As for another faction, I know (via cannon) it hasn't been seen yet, though half of STO lore is contradictory to what we'd have believed. Anyway, how about throwing the Son'a in there as allies to the Romulan Empire? Gives them a few more ships to play with in addition to three races (Son'a, Ellora and them other ones; names I've forgotten).
Yeah, we've established that. What we haven't established though is why.
I'm not privy to the licensing terms Cryptic got, but the fact is that they were obligated to seek a license to use Star Trek from CBS and that CBS can impose any conditions they want in that license. Also, as I understand trademark law, it requires that the owner of the trademark must actively protect their trademark or risk losing it.
CBS also has to function as the gatekeeper between the various licensees. Cryptic can't freely borrow from every bit of Trek lore, such as the Star Trek reboot or the various novels, and vice versa. CBS is in the position of needing to make sure their licensees don't infringe on each others' unique intellectual properties.
That takes care of the legal aspect.
The other thing is that CBS makes a lot of money from licensing Star Trek products, even if they aren't actively producing a TV series at the moment. They have a "brand image" to protect, and anything that distorts the "brand" is not welcome. So they would insist on having a say in how Star Trek is portrayed in any media.
That said, I get the impression that CBS is not that difficult for Cryptic to work with and that they don't say "no" a whole lot. That probably has a lot to say about how closely Cryptic tries to follow the IP.
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Yeah, it's from the old forums.
Since EVERY post from back then is now designated "archived post" that's what we're stuck with.
But as you can clearly see from those who quoted that post it was from that moderator.
No, that's a fact.
It has been said several times by the developers that CBS has a say what is possible and what is not.
T5 TOS Connie was vetoed, Enterprise-J was vetoed etc.
They tried to get the Kzinti into STO a while back.
The Kzinti were indended to go to the KDF side as a counter to the Caitians.
Since the Kzinti were in the Animated Series it was hoped this would be possible.
In the end the idea was rejected by CBS.
Nothing about their knickers was mentioned in this context however.:)
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I stand corrected.
I did find the proper quote:
And you're right, thank you.
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Yeah, I have since looked over it and can see who you were on about. Should have sussed that when you said post #4.
I can respectfully accept both of these. T5 TOS Connie wouldn't happen when you've got the Sovereign around, and the Enterprise-J? Don't think we're there yet.
That sucks a little, though doesn't make a whole lot of sense seeing as we now have the Ferasan species. What's the difference suppose to be here? :rolleyes:
Edit: Later post answers my query here.
Then who else would you have? If we're ever likely to have a Romulan faction, we ideally need more than just Romulan and Reman. Short of the Son'a (cause they're all I can think of right now) there ain't anyone else I can think of that would ally with the RSE.
They can't charge people to play as a Romulan just as they didn't with the Klingon. They'd probably give us the bare essentials and then add prices atop of that.
In regards to Romulan factions though, we've potentially ruled out the Hirogen cause Sela has done a vanishing act. I'd vote in the Son'a if it could be made possible. Short of them, why not some already existing races like the Pakled and Rigelian? The Romulans did / do have dealings with the Rigelian and it stands to reason they'd not all be under the Federation banner. The Pakled (and Ferengi) aren't Federation members yet I don't think; they're more limited in their volunteering. Maybe even throw in the odd rare Vulcan (rebel) or something? Might even be able to get away with a Lethean or something?
I think the entire integrity of STO hinges on completing the KDF.
We were promised this, time and time again, and asked to be patient.
We have been patient and now , its Cryptics responsibility to finish the KDF before introducing another incomplete faction.
Also I'm so sick of the anti-Romulan pro-KDF BS that I don't care if they never finish the KDF, I want a Romulan faction.
The reason there is so much of this sentiment is that...well there are so many reasons it isn't funny but if you were to get your wish Romulans would be *WORSE* than what the Klingons are now, leading to more complaints. Then Cryptic would have to release things for all three factions and we would move at an even slower pace than we already are. It's insanity to expect a third faction from a game that can't support 2. Later down the road when KDF is on = grounds sure. Until then no way. I don't hardly play KDF at all and love Romulans but I would rather never see Romulans then to see the KDF continue to rot.
New Romulus is in the same Sector Block as the Suliban System; the Suliban would make for excellent spies, and I could see them working for the Tal Shiar. The Vaadwaur are in a similar position to the Romulans in the sense that they've lost a vast majority of their population. They've got a military, tactics and subspace corridors. An alliance with a rebuilding Romulan faction would aid both greatly.
Keanu is right here, if they went ahead with a Romulan faction right now, it would undoubtedly end up in a worse state than the Klingon one. They need to dedicate an entire season to bringing the Klingon faction up to speed with the Federation, and then work on a Romulan faction.
That would be two factions. Cryptic don't need to add anything else to the Federation, they've already got enough.
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