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icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
Is there any way I can swap a Bound-to-Character item to Bound-to-Account? A specific item I want to swap is a BIG XP boost that you got from linking your Cryptic and PWE accounts. As I had no way of knowing, I opened all of them on my Fed Engineer. Most of it was TRIBBLE, but that XP boost could REALLY be used on my KDF Sci (who wasn't even AROUND back then, I rolled him recently). My Engineer does Dailies all the time, he doesn't need something to give him MORE Expertise, but the KDF still have an XP deficit.

Also, I'm noticing that most of the items that AREN'T bound yet... are Bind to CHARACTER on Equip. I haven't seen a single MENTION of Bind-to-Account in-game, even though it's the one that makes more sense. The player already OWNS the item, why should it be restricted where he uses it? For instance, I have 4 Ferengi Energy Whips on my Fed Tac. I earned them fair and square. BUT... I don't play my Tac (I just don't like playing Tacs, I'm not sure why). I could REALLY use them on my Fed Sci (my oldest character, the one I've done the most work on, the one that I've written stories about, the one I went to all the trouble of to duplicate as a Foundry skin to make a mission series about him). He just wasn't as lucky when he got his Lobi. After all, this Lock Box/Lobi system IS just a big lottery in a sense. I've ALREADY played, I've GOTTEN rewards from this lottery, but now it's like it's preventing me from wearing the ring I bought with my money on any other finger. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

I'm a Lifer. I bought the big bundle because I love this game, for all its faults. I've recommended this came to anyone who'll listen to me ramble. I've even lied awake at night because I've had ideas swirling around my head about what would be fun to see in the game (I've even posted a few on these Forums). The last half-dozen of my Desktop Backgrounds have been from this game. I am a customer, and isn't the old saying "The customer is ALWAYS right"? Bind-to-Character is not what ANY player in this game wants. Please, Cryptic... do what makes SENSE. Take away all this "Bind-to-Character vs. Bind-to-Account." Make it just "Bind on Equip" with EVERYTHING bound to the account. We've ALREADY earned this stuff. I'm going to keep playing this game, you don't need to force us to play by making us re-earn every item we have.

This is my dream; a player can do any mission he wants on his best character, and any item he doesn't want can be given to an alt, even AFTER equipping. Send excess EDCs or Salvage to a character that needs to get an item still. Craft lower-tier items for lower-level alts (without a Dilithium tax, the Di tax on Crafting makes it so that only Kits are worth crafting anymore). They're YOUR items - Use them when YOU need them.
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  • onlineangelonlineangel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    icegavel wrote: »
    Is there any way I can swap a Bound-to-Character item to Bound-to-Account? A specific item I want to swap is a BIG XP boost that you got from linking your Cryptic and PWE accounts. As I had no way of knowing, I opened all of them on my Fed Engineer. Most of it was TRIBBLE, but that XP boost could REALLY be used on my KDF Sci (who wasn't even AROUND back then, I rolled him recently). My Engineer does Dailies all the time, he doesn't need something to give him MORE Expertise, but the KDF still have an XP deficit.

    Also, I'm noticing that most of the items that AREN'T bound yet... are Bind to CHARACTER on Equip. I haven't seen a single MENTION of Bind-to-Account in-game, even though it's the one that makes more sense. The player already OWNS the item, why should it be restricted where he uses it? For instance, I have 4 Ferengi Energy Whips on my Fed Tac. I earned them fair and square. BUT... I don't play my Tac (I just don't like playing Tacs, I'm not sure why). I could REALLY use them on my Fed Sci (my oldest character, the one I've done the most work on, the one that I've written stories about, the one I went to all the trouble of to duplicate as a Foundry skin to make a mission series about him). He just wasn't as lucky when he got his Lobi. After all, this Lock Box/Lobi system IS just a big lottery in a sense. I've ALREADY played, I've GOTTEN rewards from this lottery, but now it's like it's preventing me from wearing the ring I bought with my money on any other finger. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

    I'm a Lifer. I bought the big bundle because I love this game, for all its faults. I've recommended this came to anyone who'll listen to me ramble. I've even lied awake at night because I've had ideas swirling around my head about what would be fun to see in the game (I've even posted a few on these Forums). The last half-dozen of my Desktop Backgrounds have been from this game. I am a customer, and isn't the old saying "The customer is ALWAYS right"? Bind-to-Character is not what ANY player in this game wants. Please, Cryptic... do what makes SENSE. Take away all this "Bind-to-Character vs. Bind-to-Account." Make it just "Bind on Equip" with EVERYTHING bound to the account. We've ALREADY earned this stuff. I'm going to keep playing this game, you don't need to force us to play by making us re-earn every item we have.

    This is my dream; a player can do any mission he wants on his best character, and any item he doesn't want can be given to an alt, even AFTER equipping. Send excess EDCs or Salvage to a character that needs to get an item still. Craft lower-tier items for lower-level alts (without a Dilithium tax, the Di tax on Crafting makes it so that only Kits are worth crafting anymore). They're YOUR items - Use them when YOU need them.


    I agree completely.

    I've tons of borg tec/salvage on 1 character. I really should be able to give it to another character on my account.

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  • palek2000palek2000 Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Agree completely with this. We have done the work, we should be able to enjoy the benefits on any character we choose. The account bank really has no other value at this time otherwise.
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  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    *nods* Account Binds are better than Character Binds.
  • seanftdseanftd Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I also agree, Borg tech here and there between characters , also lobi crystals.
  • captmack001captmack001 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Agreed i have 4 8 hr xp boost on a VA and thats no use to a nun on a sunday so please lets make things account bound not char bound
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Frankly a shared bank account seems kind of pointless since anything that would be worth sharing is now "bound to character" I was considering spending the zen to buy one until this change was made, now I'm no longer interested.
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  • kimmerakimmera Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I agree xp boosts should be account rather than character bound.

    Not sure that everything should be though....
  • seanftdseanftd Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Dose the account bank slots even do much. I mean iv got sonthing like 20 slots already do is paying 1000 zen even worth it.
  • zordar01zordar01 Member Posts: 318
    edited August 2012
    seanftd wrote: »
    Dose the account bank slots even do much. I mean iv got sonthing like 20 slots already do is paying 1000 zen even worth it.

    No, not worth it. Until stuff like XP boosts and character-bound "currencies" (EDC, Lobi, borg tech, etc) are changed to account bound, don't waste your money. Mail works fine for shuffling stuff from toon to toon.
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  • seanftdseanftd Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    don't see why they brought thus out, as to my knowledge everyone h
    Who has multiple characters already has 20 slots of account bank space . Also is the account bank limited to the amount of ec credit it can take
  • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Only subscribers had shared bank space, silver account can get it from the C-Store for 1000 Zen, but I will be selling Million EC priced hyposprays on the exchange to my richer toons than spend 10 bucks on a bank feature that serves no other purpose. This bound to character nonsense needs to be rethought.
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  • stargate525stargate525 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    So far, the only things I've seen which are account-bound are non-common weapons.

    I don't want to swap weapons between my characters. I want to swap consoles, I want to swap bloody currency rewards, I want to swap USEFUL ITEMS I cannot or do not want to grind on particular accounts!
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    zordar01 wrote: »
    No, not worth it. Until stuff like XP boosts and character-bound "currencies" (EDC, Lobi, borg tech, etc) are changed to account bound, don't waste your money. Mail works fine for shuffling stuff from toon to toon.

    This^^^^

    So far, the only things I've seen which are account-bound are non-common weapons.

    I don't want to swap weapons between my characters. I want to swap consoles, I want to swap bloody currency rewards, I want to swap USEFUL ITEMS I cannot or do not want to grind on particular accounts!


    And this^^^^

    1000000x these....

    Until we can move actual stuff we want to move between characters, the account bank feature is useless.
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  • alanjoinedalanjoined Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    i have been playing the game for...well....quite possibly far too long but i have noticed the bound to character rather than bound to player/account thing as far as lottery boxes become more than a little frustrating so how about this:

    Bound to Character:
    *civilian attire
    *pets
    *currency (eg: lobi etc.)
    *PROTOTYPE Borg salvage

    Bound to account:
    *purchased Items
    *STF data chips
    *NORMAL Borg salvage
    *D store purchased items

    Unbound:
    *Lotto ships
    *consoles & weapons whites/blues/greens/purples


    just an idea....
  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I would like account currencies, but can understand why such a thing would harm a traditional MMO's setup when people can create alts as powerful as their mains without added effort.

    Blizzard forum managers have recently commented on this topic as it regards to reputation grinding for rewards even though reputation rewarded mounts will soon be account bound (but unusable to those alts who have not grinded out the rep). They may change that, as they have introduced a means for alts to earn currency at a faster rate after a main has already attained its weekly maximum amount.

    It seems like STO is trying to keep it's foot in the traditional MMO space, even though its moved away from it greatly.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    If i remember correctly how the change worked... anything you earned in the past that was bound, stayed bound to your character.

    Anything you earned AFTER the change... like any future EDC's or whatever, would be account-bound.

    At least that's what I think. I could be wrong.
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  • dood98998dood98998 Member Posts: 389
    edited August 2012
    My klink just hit l 47, and I plan to use 2 pc honor guard. My fed has more than 40 eedc which, thanks to cryptics stupidity, I can't use. I would buy account bound space if all the stf stuff was account bound.
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  • kimmerakimmera Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    dood98998 wrote: »
    My klink just hit l 47, and I plan to use 2 pc honor guard. My fed has more than 40 eedc which, thanks to cryptics stupidity, I can't use. I would buy account bound space if all the stf stuff was account bound.

    Not only are you complaining that you can't shortcut your KDF character to the top, you are complaining that you can't use your Fed character to do so?
  • yellowalertyellowalert Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Agreed i have 4 8 hr xp boost on a VA and thats no use to a nun on a sunday so please lets make things account bound not char bound

    Same boat here. The only character that could use them is the one of my three that doesn't have them!
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  • icegavelicegavel Member Posts: 991 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    alanjoined wrote: »
    i have been playing the game for...well....quite possibly far too long but i have noticed the bound to character rather than bound to player/account thing as far as lottery boxes become more than a little frustrating so how about this:

    Bound to Character:
    *civilian attire
    *pets
    *currency (eg: lobi etc.)
    *PROTOTYPE Borg salvage

    Bound to account:
    *purchased Items
    *STF data chips
    *NORMAL Borg salvage
    *D store purchased items

    Unbound:
    *Lotto ships
    *consoles & weapons whites/blues/greens/purples


    just an idea....

    I agree with everything EXCEPT the Lobi and Proto Salvage. There are a lot of STF grinders out there who have a ton of Prototypes on one character, with another character that needs them (but can't GET them because of the funky loot tables). So I'd pop Lobi and Salvage to Account.
  • dood98998dood98998 Member Posts: 389
    edited August 2012
    kimmera wrote: »
    Not only are you complaining that you can't shortcut your KDF character to the top, you are complaining that you can't use your Fed character to do so?

    i am complaining because i earned something, and i am not allowed to use it. and dont give me any of that 'shortcut' TRIBBLE. i was going to trade them in for mk 10 gear, so as to only test a build i was planning to make.
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  • kimmerakimmera Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    dood98998 wrote: »
    i am complaining because i earned something, and i am not allowed to use it. and dont give me any of that 'shortcut' TRIBBLE. i was going to trade them in for mk 10 gear, so as to only test a build i was planning to make.

    If you earn a university degree, don't expect the diploma to be much use if you apply for a job under an alias.

    Test on tribble, that is what it is for isn't it?
  • zebularzebular Member Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I would like to see a retroactive patch to make all items pre-patch that qualify now for being account bound would get patched and become account bound and/or bind to account, depending on current bound status.

    So, granted that the items in question now qualify for being account bound: If the pre-patch items are currently "Bound to Character," I would like to see them become "Bound to Account." If the pre-patch items are still unbound and "Binds to Character," I would like to see them "Binds to Account."

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  • dood98998dood98998 Member Posts: 389
    edited August 2012
    kimmera wrote: »
    If you earn a university degree, don't expect the diploma to be much use if you apply for a job under an alias.

    Test on tribble, that is what it is for isn't it?

    no. this is holodeck. i earned those edc. i should be able to use them. by your argument, all the lockbox stuff should be bound, hell, EVERYTHING should be bound under your argument.
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  • kimmerakimmera Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    dood98998 wrote: »
    no. this is holodeck. i earned those edc. i should be able to use them. by your argument, all the lockbox stuff should be bound, hell, EVERYTHING should be bound under your argument.

    Just because a degree or licences, or other things earned are not transferable between identities in RL doesn't mean nothing can be traded in RL.

    You can sell or transfer car ownership in RL, for example, but you cannot misrepresent your identity if you are pulled over, and your licence has to be in your legal name rather than an alias.

    Right to enter a private club, borrow from a private library, access restricted data... all identity dependent.

    Wanting to be able to sell or transfer rights to access or to gain access incognito? Good luck with that.
  • stargate525stargate525 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    kimmera wrote: »
    Just because a degree or licences, or other things earned are not transferable between identities in RL doesn't mean nothing can be traded in RL.

    You can sell or transfer car ownership in RL, for example, but you cannot misrepresent your identity if you are pulled over, and your licence has to be in your legal name rather than an alias.

    Right to enter a private club, borrow from a private library, access restricted data... all identity dependent.

    Wanting to be able to sell or transfer rights to access or to gain access incognito? Good luck with that.

    What you're describing sound more like accolades. EDCs are literal, physical items. They aren't numbered, they don't have VIN numbers, and Roxy shouldn't give a rat's behind where you got the pile of them you're turning in! Lobi are the same thing.

    I have EARNED the STf rewards. As such, it should be my prerogative to give what I have earned away, either in barter or in a gift. Honestly, as long as the two players have access to the STFs, why not let them all gear it?
  • onlineangelonlineangel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    icegavel wrote: »
    I agree with everything EXCEPT the Lobi and Proto Salvage. There are a lot of STF grinders out there who have a ton of Prototypes on one character, with another character that needs them (but can't GET them because of the funky loot tables). So I'd pop Lobi and Salvage to Account.

    The game has no replayability...

    Who on earth would want to grind 1000s of STF to get their MKXII set, only to have to do it again on multiple characters???

    You must be a very dull person indeed if you're happy to grind 1000's of STFs on multiple characters
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    The game has no replayability...

    Who on earth would want to grind 1000s of STF to get their MKXII set, only to have to do it again on multiple characters???

    You must be a very dull person indeed if you're happy to grind 1000's of STFs on multiple characters
    A game is no game at all if it can't be played more than once, regardless of the person's tastes or opinions about it :D

    If you played the game all the way through once, and then it vanished into thin air, then your statement would be true. But in general, it's not when applied to games ;)

    Replayability, even at the most basic level, is something all games have. Yes that's a literal answer, but I felt it needed to be said.
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  • kimmerakimmera Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    What you're describing sound more like accolades. EDCs are literal, physical items. They aren't numbered, they don't have VIN numbers, and Roxy shouldn't give a rat's behind where you got the pile of them you're turning in! Lobi are the same thing.

    I have EARNED the STf rewards. As such, it should be my prerogative to give what I have earned away, either in barter or in a gift. Honestly, as long as the two players have access to the STFs, why not let them all gear it?


    EDCs are classified tech being exchanged for even more classified tech. They likely are reported on acquisition, kept secured, etc. Think of it like this. If someone brought an unregistered shipment of plutonium in to a depot, do you really think it would just be accepted with no questions? That they would hand the driver a box of cash and just let them leave?

    Lobi are not quite so easily explained.... the only thing that makes sense there (other than accepting that some things in a game will not be entirely realistic) is that the Ferengi has something to gain from making sure the captain who opened the box is the one handing in the Lobi.

    And again, I am not saying everything in existence should be bound. Frankly I think a few things that are bound shouldn't be (Doffs from packs, for example). EDC's I understand though.
  • dood98998dood98998 Member Posts: 389
    edited August 2012
    kimmera wrote: »
    EDCs are classified tech being exchanged for even more classified tech. They likely are reported on acquisition, kept secured, etc. Think of it like this. If someone brought an unregistered shipment of plutonium in to a depot, do you really think it would just be accepted with no questions? That they would hand the driver a box of cash and just let them leave?

    Lobi are not quite so easily explained.... the only thing that makes sense there (other than accepting that some things in a game will not be entirely realistic) is that the Ferengi has something to gain from making sure the captain who opened the box is the one handing in the Lobi.

    And again, I am not saying everything in existence should be bound. Frankly I think a few things that are bound shouldn't be (Doffs from packs, for example). EDC's I understand though.

    I won the lottery, but now the shiney new ring I got can only be worn on my left hand, because that hand touched it first. You are going off on an irrelevent tangent about buying something. This isn't a matter of alternate identities or that TRIBBLE. This is a matter of weather or not I get to wear a ring I ust bought.
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