What the faction needs is a new bop. Extra console, slight higher hull and shield. This bop t5 or t4 is a little obsolete, considering all the +1 new ships.
Hear! Sons of Kahless
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
What's still missing from the KDF roster is a military scout.
How do Klingons find new worlds to colonise or conquer?
How do they track enemy fleets?
How do they provide jamming and counter-jamming in battle?
"A sharp blade is useless without a sharp eye"- Koloth in
"Blood Oath"
Before you say "shut up and use the BoP":
the BoP is ill-equipped since it lacks the science consoles to do all these things.
In STO "science" does not equal "research", it equals space for good sensors, jamming equipment etc.
Everything a real-world reconaissance plane like the good'ol U-2
Since the Raptors were actually scouts (turning them into escorts was a move like turning Jacques Cousteau's Calypso into a battlecruiser) I'd like to propose a science-oriented variant of the Raptor.
Reduce the armament accordingly (heck, I could even live with only 2 front weapons when the ship has cannons) and give us a ship with 4 science consoles.
Update the Karfi and give it a more Klingon style skin and we'll be all good. Though would love the console my wife runs it on her Fed and it seems to pack a punch.
But the KDF need more love in both the Science and Escort/Raptor ship area.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
The only reason I can really see to give the KDF an Armitage-equivalent is so that they can have at least one carrier in all three categories, since the Vo'Quv already covers science while the rest are pretty much all cruiser-carriers (though the Kar'Fi is a bit debatable in its role). Really though, the KDF has enough carriers at the moment, I'm in agreement with the Raptor/BoP advocates here. I fly a Qin on one of my toons and, though I'm not much of an escort pilot and that toon isn't quite level 50 yet, I don't get near as much "oomph" and performance out of it as I do my Prometheus or Sao Paulo. As for the BoPs, I don't fly one personally but they just don't seem to do the trick in a stand-up fight, or even a hit-and-run fight for that matter, not when both players are equally well equipped and skilled with their ships. I'm not expecting a B'rel to win a no-holds-barred brawl with an Odyssey or Atrox, but I was able to wipe the floor with my fleet leader's B'rel while flying an Exeter, console or no console that is just not right. Back on the topic of carriers I would like to see at least one flight-deck cruiser on the Fed side, make it the a Galaxy variant and make use of that huge main shuttle bay, or even the Sovereign refit, I'd be fine with that.
So in short: Upgraded Raptors/BoPs, Fed cruiser-carrier, then maybe a KDF escort carrier.
Well stated. You are correct that it's hard to fulfill the conventional escort role with a BoP. That's because they're not exactly meant for that. The main thing that keeps BoPs competitive is the battlecloak (which is why I REALLY hope that Cryptic will never give the Feds a battlecloaking ship). A competent BoP pilot spends most of his time (in PvP, at least) cloaked, stalking potential targets, waiting for the opportune moment to strike. In PvE it's less important, especially since STF cubes seem to occasionally manage to see you anyways. Only reason to cloak in PvE is to get the damage bonus from decloaking and alpha-striking within 5 seconds.
Trying to tank in a BoP is tricky, and usually seems to result in reduced DPS and effectiveness. You have to know what you're doing and know what the best balance is.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
What the faction needs is a new bop. Extra console, slight higher hull and shield. This bop t5 or t4 is a little obsolete, considering all the +1 new ships.
This, but I think it's time to add the 3rd rear mount point to go w/the fleet raider's 4th tac console. Raiders have fallen too far behind in DPS potential (eg 5 tac console Fed/Lotto escorts), and the increase in their target ship's survivability makes that DPS potential all the more important.
Anymore I feel I have to fly w/Tet glider just to be in the same ballpark, and besides feeling cheep it is negated when the target uses Tet glider as well. Plas leech is a huge crutch w/potential +60-100 gain in ship's power. I've always felt the power gain made it the most OP console out there. But, the 2 Tac console the difference in DPS compared to the 5 tac console escorts combined w/the boosted stats of Fleet/Z-store/Lotto ships makes it almost required to keep up. No, 1 tac console and slight defense boost isn't worth 2k z-points.
[Zone] Dack@****: cowards can't take a fed 1 on 1 crinckley cowards Hahahaha you smell like flowers
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
A KDF Armitage wouldn't get my Tac out of her Kar'Fi, so while I wouldn't be against it, I wouldn't be buying it, either.
KDF already has a carrier for all 3 roles (Sci = Vo'Quv, Eng = Flight Deck Cruiser, Tac = Kar'Fi) so while I'm all for more ship diversity, I would say need is not the correct term.
What KDF *NEEDS* is some small craft. Plenty of models just begging for somebody to write up some quick stats for. When will I be able to fly an Interceptor, Slaver, or S'Kul?
I once again match my character. Behold the power of PINK!
Fleet Admiral Space Orphidian Possiblities Wizard
Just nick a fed shuttle stat line and use KDF skins.
Nausican, not sure.
Gorn = Yellowstone
Orion = Delta
I was once DKnight1000, apparently I had taken my own name so now I'm DKnight0001. If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why. When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Yes, give Klinks Danube equivalent, and give Feds Power Siphons :P
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
I'd really love a conventional escort on the KDF side. Basically a C-Store Raptor that doesn't have 3 ensign tac slots.
The new fleet raptor would be great, that is if it didn't get a shield modifier nerf.
There's basically space for the long awaited C-Store Raptor and another fleet one with 5 tac consoles (like the two FED fleet escorts: Fleet Defiant and Fleet Prometheus).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Dramatization; A fed ship copy in our ranks?, thats is insulting i rather die to see such aberration in the klingon empire!, i spit in all the fed TRIBBLE!.
seeing the ships the KDF are using,I'm convinced the klingons need a heavy escort capibile of launching fighters.[aka Armitage]must have a quick turn rate,heavy on the cannons and carry at least four torpedo launchers.any thoughts?:cool:
heh...we kinda got a armitage already..the only difference is this has subsystem targeting and slower turn. it isnt an escort but it can use dual cannons and has 39000 hull(base)
Most KDF ships in the upper tiers are already basically carrier oriented. I don't see a need for something like an Armitage.
KDF does need more Raptors designed in such a way to scare the heck out of the Federation. Maybe a 5/3 weapons layout. Maybe a console that doubles the effectiveness of Boarding Party. A point defense console that can be purchased just like the Feds.
An invasion cruiser with more crew and boarding transporter tech.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
seeing the ships the KDF are using,I'm convinced the klingons need a heavy escort capibile of launching fighters.[aka Armitage]must have a quick turn rate,heavy on the cannons and carry at least four torpedo launchers.any thoughts?:cool:
+1
We need KDF escort carrier just like the OP federation one
Or nerf the federation one cause its not right
it got 2 much power 2 much survival and 2 much CC.
If u got all those 3: dmg survival and CC then other ppl call you overpower and guess what?
Comments
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
How do Klingons find new worlds to colonise or conquer?
How do they track enemy fleets?
How do they provide jamming and counter-jamming in battle?
"A sharp blade is useless without a sharp eye"- Koloth in
"Blood Oath"
Before you say "shut up and use the BoP":
the BoP is ill-equipped since it lacks the science consoles to do all these things.
In STO "science" does not equal "research", it equals space for good sensors, jamming equipment etc.
Everything a real-world reconaissance plane like the good'ol U-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_U-2
or electronic warfare craft like the Raven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EF-111A_Raven
would use.
Since the Raptors were actually scouts (turning them into escorts was a move like turning Jacques Cousteau's Calypso into a battlecruiser) I'd like to propose a science-oriented variant of the Raptor.
Reduce the armament accordingly (heck, I could even live with only 2 front weapons when the ship has cannons) and give us a ship with 4 science consoles.
But the KDF need more love in both the Science and Escort/Raptor ship area.
Well stated. You are correct that it's hard to fulfill the conventional escort role with a BoP. That's because they're not exactly meant for that. The main thing that keeps BoPs competitive is the battlecloak (which is why I REALLY hope that Cryptic will never give the Feds a battlecloaking ship). A competent BoP pilot spends most of his time (in PvP, at least) cloaked, stalking potential targets, waiting for the opportune moment to strike. In PvE it's less important, especially since STF cubes seem to occasionally manage to see you anyways. Only reason to cloak in PvE is to get the damage bonus from decloaking and alpha-striking within 5 seconds.
Trying to tank in a BoP is tricky, and usually seems to result in reduced DPS and effectiveness. You have to know what you're doing and know what the best balance is.
This, but I think it's time to add the 3rd rear mount point to go w/the fleet raider's 4th tac console. Raiders have fallen too far behind in DPS potential (eg 5 tac console Fed/Lotto escorts), and the increase in their target ship's survivability makes that DPS potential all the more important.
Anymore I feel I have to fly w/Tet glider just to be in the same ballpark, and besides feeling cheep it is negated when the target uses Tet glider as well. Plas leech is a huge crutch w/potential +60-100 gain in ship's power. I've always felt the power gain made it the most OP console out there. But, the 2 Tac console the difference in DPS compared to the 5 tac console escorts combined w/the boosted stats of Fleet/Z-store/Lotto ships makes it almost required to keep up. No, 1 tac console and slight defense boost isn't worth 2k z-points.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
KDF already has a carrier for all 3 roles (Sci = Vo'Quv, Eng = Flight Deck Cruiser, Tac = Kar'Fi) so while I'm all for more ship diversity, I would say need is not the correct term.
What KDF *NEEDS* is some small craft. Plenty of models just begging for somebody to write up some quick stats for. When will I be able to fly an Interceptor, Slaver, or S'Kul?
Fleet Admiral Space Orphidian Possiblities Wizard
Just nick a fed shuttle stat line and use KDF skins.
Nausican, not sure.
Gorn = Yellowstone
Orion = Delta
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
The new fleet raptor would be great, that is if it didn't get a shield modifier nerf.
There's basically space for the long awaited C-Store Raptor and another fleet one with 5 tac consoles (like the two FED fleet escorts: Fleet Defiant and Fleet Prometheus).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
you have on kdf side one of the best/ -the best ingame ship with the karfi and cry for the fed escort:/
i never will trade the epic karfi for the armitage"TRIBBLE"
on this place i again vote for karfi retrofit or fleet karfi thx:D
Kar'fi forever
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Master using it and you can have this!
Be black on the right side. Add properly colored Cheron to the game today!
Rrezeth, Gorn Tactical, primary alt
Nari, Orion Science, secondary alt
heh...we kinda got a armitage already..the only difference is this has subsystem targeting and slower turn. it isnt an escort but it can use dual cannons and has 39000 hull(base)
http://www.stowiki.org/Fleet_Corsair_Flight_Deck_Cruiser_Retrofit
KDF does need more Raptors designed in such a way to scare the heck out of the Federation. Maybe a 5/3 weapons layout. Maybe a console that doubles the effectiveness of Boarding Party. A point defense console that can be purchased just like the Feds.
An invasion cruiser with more crew and boarding transporter tech.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
Expatriot Might Characters in EXILE
Remember Federation got the content but Klingon should have the pvp orientation.
After the last patches i c all the attention going to federation and none going to KDF.
+1
Above all we need escort/raptor/raider+ carrier ability
Those tractor pets are rly annoying.
Escpecially if u take into consideration the cookie cutter dmg from the ship comming and its cruiser tanking ability .
High dmg high tank and CC makes the deadly combination or pure OVERPOWER pawnage....
Fix plz or give us the same tools to compensate
TY
+1
We need KDF escort carrier just like the OP federation one
Or nerf the federation one cause its not right
it got 2 much power 2 much survival and 2 much CC.
If u got all those 3: dmg survival and CC then other ppl call you overpower and guess what?
THEY ARE RIGHT!
WE WANT ALSO OR ELSE JUST NERF FED ESCORT CARRIER