seeing the ships the KDF are using,I'm convinced the klingons need a heavy escort capibile of launching fighters.[aka Armitage]must have a quick turn rate,heavy on the cannons and carry at least four torpedo launchers.any thoughts?:cool:
seeing the ships the KDF are using,I'm convinced the klingons need a heavy escort capibile of launching fighters.[aka Armitage]must have a quick turn rate,heavy on the cannons and carry at least four torpedo launchers.any thoughts?:cool:
My thoughts were at the beginning were that would be nice, but my thoughts after the second half of the post is that you might be a troll.
We certainly do not need a carrier like you described.
What we KDF players need, ship wise, is some real choices for our fleet retrofit ships, not these massively gimped over priced options we have (Vo'Quv retrofit aside), or at least a cost more in balance with what our choices bring to the table compared to what was already available.
If you really want something like what you described, simple solution, grab a Qin Heavy Raptor, put 2 dhc's fore and 2 torps fore, with 1 turret aft and 2 torps aft, go grab your scorpion fighter pack, and there you have it, quick turning, cannon heavy with at least 4 torp launchers, and fighter pets.
Fast turn rate, heavy on the cannons, and four torpedo launchers. You obviously want more than what any escort gives.
If you want four torps you can't have all of these cannons. In my opinion it appears you are making one of these *I want a completely OP ship that is way beyond the confines of standards for ship are* thread.
I like the karfi over the armitage. Personally no need for another dps carrier. as for turn rate isnt that valuable. I turn my voquv and atrox faster that most people turn science vessels. I enjoy it alot more than my defiant i own.
so out of the many cariers the klingons have you cant find one you like??? you are still upset because the feds have 2 carriers now??? the karfai is the best carrier in game period better than the atrox better than the armitage and better even that the new tholian carrier.. and still they cry about the armitage.. hell i would like an armitage loaded with cannons 4 torpedo tubes and a quick turn rate too because the one i have now is not like that. get over it i think the feds should have a carrier as good as the karfai... i think the feds should have a hangar bay on almost every cruiser over lvl 40 i think that the feds should have a ship like the guramba i think the feds should have a line of ships like the BoPs.. if you want an armitage roll a fed and get one
While I wouldn't say no to one, I agree we don't need it.
I would like some more ships but.
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I would personally like to see some sci or sci/tac focused ships for the shipyard(pref. not c-store) that aren't birds of prey. I want to have a ship for my sci character that feels like a sci ship as I'm leveling.
Plus them Gorn ones are fuuuuuuuuugly :P
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We certainly do not need a carrier like you described.
What we KDF players need, ship wise, is some real choices for our fleet retrofit ships, not these massively gimped over priced options we have (Vo'Quv retrofit aside), or at least a cost more in balance with what our choices bring to the table compared to what was already available.
If you really want something like what you described, simple solution, grab a Qin Heavy Raptor, put 2 dhc's fore and 2 torps fore, with 1 turret aft and 2 torps aft, go grab your scorpion fighter pack, and there you have it, quick turning, cannon heavy with at least 4 torp launchers, and fighter pets.
Buahahaha@ quick turning. All the fleet Qin really needs is a few universal console slots for RCS consoles, PDC, and the borg console- instant Armitage for KDF.
I would note a friend running the armitage told me he thinks it received a DPS nerf in the last patch.
Considering DPS depends on weapons, consoles, power levels etc. I find that unlikely and wouldn't know how the ships's DPS could be affected.
I also noticed no such thing on my own Armitage.
No need for any more carriers, though I would like a Danube equivalent so that I can tractor-spam-grief the Feds.
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I would rather have some better raptor choices without the carrier pet cheese.
I would rather have a Raptor that did not turn worse than every other escort in the game.
It pivots like it has a stick up its aft-end and turns worse for its design than any fed escort and gains nothing for the handicap.
A good ship worthy to take a beating from the Galaxy-X Enterprise.
We already have that ship since the version of the Negh'var we have is the one without the pods like in AGT.
Actually the version with the pods (like we saw in DS9 and Vayager) is the one missing from the game.
my fed player has an armitage.I'm very pleased with it.I don't know anything about the karfi.what allien design is it? also,didn't hear the qin heavy raptor could carry fighters.
my fed player has an armitage.I'm very pleased with it.I don't know anything about the karfi.what allien design is it? also,didn't hear the qin heavy raptor could carry fighters.
Qin could always carry some fighters, tho scorpions are my fist choice they sometimes come in handy.
It'd be nice to carry a 'real' fighter tho but the Qin isn't a carrier in ANY sense of the word.
The KDF is "carrier poor" at the moment I'd say that the console is basically what your after. I would suggest digging up one of those ships that was left behind in the change and strap one to it. (Thats to Cryptic not the players) I do forget however if the PDS is even available to the KDF outside that gimmick. So it probably wont be the console you want after all:(
ok,nobody likes my idea.I'm cool with it. I would like to bring my B'rel and vorch'a up to tier 5 standards.but that likely will not happen.my qurph raptor and vandal destroyer are not really worth upgrading.
Well I'm not that much into the carrier business but here's a type of carrier I'd pick in an instant:
Visually use the Gorn Varanus frame as a basis and make it wider and call it a "Support Carrier".
Statwise I'd use the Kar'fi and just reverse the Tac and Eng BO and console slots.
Give it the ability to launch Gorn NPC frigates armed with a Disr DBB, a Photon Launcher and an aft Beam Array.
I'm still gonna get my Dual Tholian-Console Recluse Carrier (Normal Console, + energy web). Costs a ton though (not using lockboxes, they're a ripoff), to overall fully equip, I'll need (not farming any of my equipment, highest price) 201mil EC (100 mil for each ship? I think) and at lowest+farm equipment 185mil EC (again, I think).
I would rather have a Raptor that did not turn worse than every other escort in the game.
It pivots like it has a stick up its aft-end and turns worse for its design than any fed escort and gains nothing for the handicap.
Exactly, it combines the worst Boff layout of any escort along with the worst turn rate of any escort, even before taking the pivot issue into account. Even the Gurumba, which has the same nominal turn rate, definitely seems to turn better and it is still lacking a bit in that department compared to the fed options. The Qin does have built in cloak unlike the fed escorts, it just gives up way more than that is worth in comparison.
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ok,nobody likes my idea.I'm cool with it. I would like to bring my B'rel and vorch'a up to tier 5 standards.but that likely will not happen.my qurph raptor and vandal destroyer are not really worth upgrading.
If any more carriers were to be added to the game i'd be inclined to think it would go fed side, be of a lower tier, and match the current kdf ones from the lower tiers.
As for the b'rel, that is at t5 specs, it matches the t4 hegh'ta heavy bop for most stats, while missing out on 1500 hull points, but is the fastest turning ship in the game (shuttles and such excluded) and is able to launch torpedoes from cloak as well as use most skills and consoles while cloaked. With all that taken into consideration, i feel the b'rel retro is actually more in line with t5.5 without the 10th console.
As for the Vor'cha we have that in T5 model, thanks to the fleet ships, seeing that the Tor'kaht is the upgrade to the Vor'cha, couple that with the fact, in my opinion, KDF has to many cruisers and feds don't have enough, again, this is MY personal opinion.
The Qorgh Raptor and Vandal Destroyer would most likely end up identical to the ones brought in with the fleet ships, maybe slightly better in the case of the Qorgh, and slightly worse for the Vandal.
What I myself would like to see, and would spend money on buying is a proper and true fleet bop, not the rubbish that has been delivered so far, and an actual good top level raptor that is actually equal overall to the fed escorts, not sub par to them overall.
For interests sake, and to avoid flaming, this post was done while in the game at the shipyards comparing each ship in here to the each other on KDF side, and is all my observations and opinions in regards to how each one stacks up against the others.
The only reason I can really see to give the KDF an Armitage-equivalent is so that they can have at least one carrier in all three categories, since the Vo'Quv already covers science while the rest are pretty much all cruiser-carriers (though the Kar'Fi is a bit debatable in its role). Really though, the KDF has enough carriers at the moment, I'm in agreement with the Raptor/BoP advocates here. I fly a Qin on one of my toons and, though I'm not much of an escort pilot and that toon isn't quite level 50 yet, I don't get near as much "oomph" and performance out of it as I do my Prometheus or Sao Paulo. As for the BoPs, I don't fly one personally but they just don't seem to do the trick in a stand-up fight, or even a hit-and-run fight for that matter, not when both players are equally well equipped and skilled with their ships. I'm not expecting a B'rel to win a no-holds-barred brawl with an Odyssey or Atrox, but I was able to wipe the floor with my fleet leader's B'rel while flying an Exeter, console or no console that is just not right. Back on the topic of carriers I would like to see at least one flight-deck cruiser on the Fed side, make it the a Galaxy variant and make use of that huge main shuttle bay, or even the Sovereign refit, I'd be fine with that.
So in short: Upgraded Raptors/BoPs, Fed cruiser-carrier, then maybe a KDF escort carrier.
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My thoughts were at the beginning were that would be nice, but my thoughts after the second half of the post is that you might be a troll.
No we don't need yet another carrier.
We certainly do not need a carrier like you described.
What we KDF players need, ship wise, is some real choices for our fleet retrofit ships, not these massively gimped over priced options we have (Vo'Quv retrofit aside), or at least a cost more in balance with what our choices bring to the table compared to what was already available.
If you really want something like what you described, simple solution, grab a Qin Heavy Raptor, put 2 dhc's fore and 2 torps fore, with 1 turret aft and 2 torps aft, go grab your scorpion fighter pack, and there you have it, quick turning, cannon heavy with at least 4 torp launchers, and fighter pets.
If you want four torps you can't have all of these cannons. In my opinion it appears you are making one of these *I want a completely OP ship that is way beyond the confines of standards for ship are* thread.
I would like some more ships but.
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Plus them Gorn ones are fuuuuuuuuugly :P
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A good ship worthy to take a beating from the Galaxy-X Enterprise.
We have plenty of Carriers and if we took the feds version from them they would just get something else to replace it.
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Buahahaha@ quick turning. All the fleet Qin really needs is a few universal console slots for RCS consoles, PDC, and the borg console- instant Armitage for KDF.
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I too would rather see some additional or better season 6/fleet updates to current KDF ships instead of a new escort carrier.
Considering DPS depends on weapons, consoles, power levels etc. I find that unlikely and wouldn't know how the ships's DPS could be affected.
I also noticed no such thing on my own Armitage.
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I would rather have a Raptor that did not turn worse than every other escort in the game.
It pivots like it has a stick up its aft-end and turns worse for its design than any fed escort and gains nothing for the handicap.
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It has nothing to do with the ship itself.
We already have that ship since the version of the Negh'var we have is the one without the pods like in AGT.
Actually the version with the pods (like we saw in DS9 and Vayager) is the one missing from the game.
It'd be nice to carry a 'real' fighter tho but the Qin isn't a carrier in ANY sense of the word.
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Visually use the Gorn Varanus frame as a basis and make it wider and call it a "Support Carrier".
Statwise I'd use the Kar'fi and just reverse the Tac and Eng BO and console slots.
Give it the ability to launch Gorn NPC frigates armed with a Disr DBB, a Photon Launcher and an aft Beam Array.
Voila, a ship I'd take out every day.:)
PD console included since it is just baws.
Exactly, it combines the worst Boff layout of any escort along with the worst turn rate of any escort, even before taking the pivot issue into account. Even the Gurumba, which has the same nominal turn rate, definitely seems to turn better and it is still lacking a bit in that department compared to the fed options. The Qin does have built in cloak unlike the fed escorts, it just gives up way more than that is worth in comparison.
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If any more carriers were to be added to the game i'd be inclined to think it would go fed side, be of a lower tier, and match the current kdf ones from the lower tiers.
As for the b'rel, that is at t5 specs, it matches the t4 hegh'ta heavy bop for most stats, while missing out on 1500 hull points, but is the fastest turning ship in the game (shuttles and such excluded) and is able to launch torpedoes from cloak as well as use most skills and consoles while cloaked. With all that taken into consideration, i feel the b'rel retro is actually more in line with t5.5 without the 10th console.
As for the Vor'cha we have that in T5 model, thanks to the fleet ships, seeing that the Tor'kaht is the upgrade to the Vor'cha, couple that with the fact, in my opinion, KDF has to many cruisers and feds don't have enough, again, this is MY personal opinion.
The Qorgh Raptor and Vandal Destroyer would most likely end up identical to the ones brought in with the fleet ships, maybe slightly better in the case of the Qorgh, and slightly worse for the Vandal.
What I myself would like to see, and would spend money on buying is a proper and true fleet bop, not the rubbish that has been delivered so far, and an actual good top level raptor that is actually equal overall to the fed escorts, not sub par to them overall.
For interests sake, and to avoid flaming, this post was done while in the game at the shipyards comparing each ship in here to the each other on KDF side, and is all my observations and opinions in regards to how each one stacks up against the others.
Sorry about the wall of text.
So in short: Upgraded Raptors/BoPs, Fed cruiser-carrier, then maybe a KDF escort carrier.
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