Hehe... I still want to be able to do a fleet support variant where I call on one of my own ships.
How awesome would that be, if i hit fleet support and my old sovy (U.S.S. Roter Oktober) warps into the sector, strafing by my defiant refit like in the first contact movie! With all it's weapons that are basically purple XII but i don't use on escorts.
you sir just won 1 free internetz!
How awesome would that be, if i hit fleet support and my old sovy (U.S.S. Roter Oktober) warps into the sector, strafing by my defiant refit like in the first contact movie! With all it's weapons that are basically purple XII but i don't use on escorts.
you sir just won 1 free internetz!
Exactly! It would be awesome! and give peeps a reason to actually collect the gear needed for multiple ships.... actually some of use already have it, but you get the idea.
Commodore was only used in the TOS, it was not used after. By TNG, it went Capt., Rear Admiral lower half, upper half, vice, Admiral, Fleet Admiral.
As, Commodore only took lower half's spot on the rank chart. Rear Admiral was still there.
Kyle
if the tutorial startet with kadett (maybe in a shuttle instead of your ship)
and you went on with ensign and so on (basically allways one rank lower than now)
you could end up as rear admiral upper half at lvl 50 or only rear admiral.
the problem is, that aslong as an admiral is on a ship it becomes a flag ship...because admirals no matter what lower rank of it is a flag officer. so we have approximately 200k flagships in STO on holodeck.
commodore could be used like flotilla captain or senior captain. Like picard took command of the fleet in first contact...the flag officer was dead and he was the oldest and highest officer on the battlefield, so i presume the command position fell into his hands automatically.
i'm not sure, but i think the commad falls to the oldest if they are of the same rank.
but it is not important considering the fact that you can change your title and appearance to that of a captain any second.
Lesson: don't attack your allies, especially not if you're standing on vulnerable ground.
Let me demonstrate.
Problem with your argument is: all those operations were temporary field actions. The admirals actually in command of the fleets deployed in your examples simply took a backseat and let the local commander, who'd been involved and familiar with the situation handle a crysis.
That's actually quite good leadership, making use of your suborninates talents and knowledge instead of letting the formalities of chain of command override quick decision-making and having to rely on second-hand information and limited perspectives.
If any of those assignments had been long-term, the commanding officer would have been an admiral.
So, if the game changed to a tactical fleet simulation, with constanly assigned fleets ... then yes, an admiral title would actually be mandatory.
Sorry for shooting down your argument.
For this game as it is though, admiral titles are over-the-top.
I do not feel like standing on any vulnerable ground^^ If I wouldn't consider my argument sound and sensible, I would not bring it forward Thanks for your advice anyways
And yes, those assignments (Picard's task force, Data commanding the Sutherland etc.) might have been temporary... However, we do net know yet, how exacttly Crpytic plans to implement the "space away team" mechanics... My guess would be, that there will only certain occassions where you are given command of your task force, as I do not think you will be able to enter any existing event/STF with it. This, in turn, could be called a "temporary assignment" again
There seems to be a bit of confusion. The argument is not that line officers should be able to command more than one vessel; its that flag officers should be able to in game. Not arguing that a Captain CAN or CANNOT command more than one ship in Star Trek; my question is and has been, if a Captain can, why isn't our Admiral who should be able given the option to do so? If you think about it, what really is the difference between a Lieutenant and a Vice Admiral in game? A few special abilities, stronger equipment and harder missions, which is fine for game play, but not for role playing. If truly Admirals and Fleet Admirals we are to be then we need the option (not necessarily compulsory for those who don't want to) to do the following:
-Command a task force of vessels similar to an Away Team in space.
-Command the respect of lower NPCs (so in other words, some benefit like lower prices or specialized items from vendors)
-Be able to hand out side missions to lower officers in our Fleet or Team. (Nothing huge, just be able to give them a patrol mission or a specific exploration mission type like aid the planet. Once completed they get a boosted reward and we get something in return...not sure what yet)
On a side note: May I also point out that we already have at least two Fleet Admirals that I am aware of. Quinn and Akaar. (There may be more). So, perhaps Fleet Admiral is not the highest rank out there (as there should only be 1 5-star per branch and only during a time of war). Perhaps the CnC or Commander of Starfleet titles in Star Trek VI are actually a 6-star rank...just a thought.
On a side note: May I also point out that we already have at least two Fleet Admirals that I am aware of. Quinn and Akaar. (There may be more). So, perhaps Fleet Admiral is not the highest rank out there (as there should only be 1 5-star per branch and only during a time of war). Perhaps the CnC or Commander of Starfleet titles in Star Trek VI are actually a 6-star rank...just a thought.
Well, I think that Menn Hilo, the Bolian who gives you your rank-up ceremonies in ESD, might be Commander, Starfleet.
There is also Grigori Yanishev and Zav Glasch Trem (the poor Tellarite admiral who got one-shotted by a Jem'hader in Second Wave).
On top of that, T'nae, and Zelle are admirals, neither of whom I am sure on their rank, although Zelle doesn't matter of course.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
See, I knew I missed some big Admirals. Also, to muddy this conversation up a bit more, I was watching some old TOS episodes and got to the Menagerie Part I only to hear "Fleet Captain Pike"; so I looked it up. Garth was also a Fleet Captain. While it is unclear whether or not this is a true rank or just a title, the term Fleet Captain does exist in the modern navy and, according to memory alpha was in the TNG officers manual as a 5-pip rank. Just kind of throwing that out there since STO seems to be focused on Fleets right now, perhaps another 5 level rank squeezed in between Captain and Rear Admiral, Lower?
One other point, if indeed lets say that there are to be only one Fleet Admiral per Quadrant, then there would still be a 6-star Admiral over all Quadrants. I look at it this way (this is just my opinion, not canon or navy related, just how I'd break it down in my head):
Rear Adm., Lower commands a task force; Rear Adm. Upper commands an armada: Vice Admiral commands a starbase/sector; Admiral commands a sector block/ a division of a fleet; Fleet Admiral commands a fleet. So that leaves two to three ranks above a 5 star Admiral; 6) Commands a group of fleets; 7) Commands a Quadrant; 8) Commands all of Starfleet (CnC).
Again, I realize that this isn't canon, however, if we use this idea to stretch the rank structure a bit it gives us a couple higher levels and dumbs down Fleet Admiral to make it not such an uber rank that having thousands is bizarre; it just implies that there are thousands of fleets to be commanded.
(I feel some heated counter-arguements brewing already...:))
Real quick, the command of the fleet would go to the person who has been that rank the longest, that usually means the oldest, but there are sometime where that is not true.
Fleet captain has never been used by the U.S. NAVY.
Fleet Captain is the rank given to the Captain in charge of the ship the Admiral is on. So your first officer would be a Fleet Captain if this was used.
Commodore was used for those 2 people only, then Star Trek got rid of the rank, hence why people are rear Admiral Lower Half.
Kyle
I say just take all the admiral levels of right now and add them to captain rank. I feel like the rank of captain is held for a long time so it makes sense. Also there aren't any current admiral abilities that i couldn't see a captain having. Then you can just move the current admiral ranks to levels 50-60 and give them abilities that are admiral worthy, like a task force or the ability to hand out small side missions to lower players. If an actual task force wouldn't work then let us send our ships on missions crewed by our bridge or duty officers in a system similar to the duty officer system except with better rewards. Just my two cents
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How awesome would that be, if i hit fleet support and my old sovy (U.S.S. Roter Oktober) warps into the sector, strafing by my defiant refit like in the first contact movie! With all it's weapons that are basically purple XII but i don't use on escorts.
you sir just won 1 free internetz!
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As, Commodore only took lower half's spot on the rank chart. Rear Admiral was still there.
Kyle
and you went on with ensign and so on (basically allways one rank lower than now)
you could end up as rear admiral upper half at lvl 50 or only rear admiral.
the problem is, that aslong as an admiral is on a ship it becomes a flag ship...because admirals no matter what lower rank of it is a flag officer. so we have approximately 200k flagships in STO on holodeck.
commodore could be used like flotilla captain or senior captain. Like picard took command of the fleet in first contact...the flag officer was dead and he was the oldest and highest officer on the battlefield, so i presume the command position fell into his hands automatically.
i'm not sure, but i think the commad falls to the oldest if they are of the same rank.
but it is not important considering the fact that you can change your title and appearance to that of a captain any second.
You cannot change the way any NPC addresses you, though.
I do not feel like standing on any vulnerable ground^^ If I wouldn't consider my argument sound and sensible, I would not bring it forward
And yes, those assignments (Picard's task force, Data commanding the Sutherland etc.) might have been temporary... However, we do net know yet, how exacttly Crpytic plans to implement the "space away team" mechanics... My guess would be, that there will only certain occassions where you are given command of your task force, as I do not think you will be able to enter any existing event/STF with it. This, in turn, could be called a "temporary assignment" again
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-Command a task force of vessels similar to an Away Team in space.
-Command the respect of lower NPCs (so in other words, some benefit like lower prices or specialized items from vendors)
-Be able to hand out side missions to lower officers in our Fleet or Team. (Nothing huge, just be able to give them a patrol mission or a specific exploration mission type like aid the planet. Once completed they get a boosted reward and we get something in return...not sure what yet)
On a side note: May I also point out that we already have at least two Fleet Admirals that I am aware of. Quinn and Akaar. (There may be more). So, perhaps Fleet Admiral is not the highest rank out there (as there should only be 1 5-star per branch and only during a time of war). Perhaps the CnC or Commander of Starfleet titles in Star Trek VI are actually a 6-star rank...just a thought.
Isn't half of Starfleet and most of the Federation Council?
Well, I think that Menn Hilo, the Bolian who gives you your rank-up ceremonies in ESD, might be Commander, Starfleet.
There is also Grigori Yanishev and Zav Glasch Trem (the poor Tellarite admiral who got one-shotted by a Jem'hader in Second Wave).
On top of that, T'nae, and Zelle are admirals, neither of whom I am sure on their rank, although Zelle doesn't matter of course.
One other point, if indeed lets say that there are to be only one Fleet Admiral per Quadrant, then there would still be a 6-star Admiral over all Quadrants. I look at it this way (this is just my opinion, not canon or navy related, just how I'd break it down in my head):
Rear Adm., Lower commands a task force; Rear Adm. Upper commands an armada: Vice Admiral commands a starbase/sector; Admiral commands a sector block/ a division of a fleet; Fleet Admiral commands a fleet. So that leaves two to three ranks above a 5 star Admiral; 6) Commands a group of fleets; 7) Commands a Quadrant; 8) Commands all of Starfleet (CnC).
Again, I realize that this isn't canon, however, if we use this idea to stretch the rank structure a bit it gives us a couple higher levels and dumbs down Fleet Admiral to make it not such an uber rank that having thousands is bizarre; it just implies that there are thousands of fleets to be commanded.
(I feel some heated counter-arguements brewing already...:))
Fleet captain has never been used by the U.S. NAVY.
Fleet Captain is the rank given to the Captain in charge of the ship the Admiral is on. So your first officer would be a Fleet Captain if this was used.
Commodore was used for those 2 people only, then Star Trek got rid of the rank, hence why people are rear Admiral Lower Half.
Kyle
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