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Fleet Admiral/Dahar Master... again
kagasensei
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It's been said that Season 7 will bring us a level cap increase with a "Personal Advancement" system allowing to coordinate an "away team" (task force) of ships commanded by your BOffs. GOOD. (Thinking of Picard's tachyon blockade of the Klingon-Romulan border)
This will go along with a rank increase to Fleet Admiral and Dahar Master, respectively. BAD.
--> Please, dear Devs, both titles are something VERY special in Starfleet and the KDF. They should NOT be 10s of 1000s of them running around... (And please spare me the "You can deactivate your title" argument^^)
What's coming for Season 8, ha? We all get promoted to Federation President/Chancellors of the Klingon High Council?! Where is this supposed to end?
Make the final rank a plain and simple "Captain", no matter what level is associated with it... (Picard and Sisko commanded task forces on various occasions, as CAPTAINS. Dax, Worf and Data even commanded ships in those task forces as Lt. Cmdrs.)
Please tell us that you are at least "considering" this
After all, CBS might inquire how you justify Starfleet consisting mostly of Fleet Admirals -.-
Stay true to your commitment of making this game MORE and not less "trekky".
This will go along with a rank increase to Fleet Admiral and Dahar Master, respectively. BAD.
--> Please, dear Devs, both titles are something VERY special in Starfleet and the KDF. They should NOT be 10s of 1000s of them running around... (And please spare me the "You can deactivate your title" argument^^)
What's coming for Season 8, ha? We all get promoted to Federation President/Chancellors of the Klingon High Council?! Where is this supposed to end?
Make the final rank a plain and simple "Captain", no matter what level is associated with it... (Picard and Sisko commanded task forces on various occasions, as CAPTAINS. Dax, Worf and Data even commanded ships in those task forces as Lt. Cmdrs.)
Please tell us that you are at least "considering" this
After all, CBS might inquire how you justify Starfleet consisting mostly of Fleet Admirals -.-Stay true to your commitment of making this game MORE and not less "trekky".
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If you try to promote your BOff to Captain, it says you need to be at "Admiral" level. Since, I'm assuming that's the next rank after Vice Admiral (after Admiral comes Fleet Admiral which would be the highest rank so far), it doesn't seem possible for us to dismiss our current BOffs and have them command ships of their own (i.e. a fleet) until we can officially promote them far enough so that they would no longer have to serve under us.
Again, I can see where you're coming from, but, if I remember correctly, when the devs were talking about promoting people to Vice Admiral and Brigadier General, the same complaints were registered. Though it seems that, by now, everyone's accepted it.
Data took temporary command of the Sutherland, Jadzia Dax and Worf frequently commanded the Defiant...
You do NOT need a "Captain" to command one of your task force's ships...
BTW: Next annoying point: ALL bridge officer crews in STO consist almost entirely of Commanders... very credible as well XD
The Devs (which I REALLY admire BTW), should revive their old idea of adding special sub-Commander abilities, thereby giving an incentive to have Ensigns, Lieutenants etc. among your BOffs
The whole rank system in STO is... bizarre...
Cryptic has to be cautious with bending canon as far as they deem fit, though... the more "untrekky" this game gets, the more long-term players (which are almost exclusively Trek-fans) will slowly but surely look for alternatives... Sooner or later those alternatives will present themselves...
The more trekky this game gets, on the other hand, the tighter long-term players will get bound to STO. Simple deduction.
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Also, you must remember that the story of STO is the story of your person. You are the only Vice admiral, the other players are not in your timeline. This is one of the reasons the Devs do not have a problem with promoting.
Kyle
(per account)
1 fleet admiral
1 VA
2 RA's
unlimited lower ranks
anyone under RA can't be promoted if you have a character blocking the slot
OR make level 51 "Demoted to captain"
and levels 51-10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
CAPTAIN
so you get to va and can either RETIRE or revert
This would hold true or be credible if STO was a single-player game. However, the very purpose of MMOs is the interaction with and relation to other players.
Discounting the fact that other player characters are occupying the game world with you just eludes any prupose a discussion about MMOs and Star Trek could have.
STOWiki admin.
Well, it's not about how many VAs or FAs a single account can have, but how many of them are occupying the game world... and the lack of credibility (and therefore unnecessary lack of immersion) resulting from that.
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Leave the boring office jobs (rear/vice/fleet admirals) to all the NPCs of that rank we already have in game (Quinn, T'nae etc. etc.). Admirals are mission givers, endbosses, you name it. CAPTAINS do the work, have the adventures. Can't remember any Trek show focusing on an Admiral of any kind... (Except for Wrath of Khan, but Kirk is glad to be demoted in Voyage Home) It's about the CAPTAINS!
Kirk to CAPTAIN Picard: "Don't let them promote you! Don't let them do ANYTHING that gets you out of that chair, 'cause as long as you are there, you can make a difference!"
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I am more concerned with eposonic content between season 6 and 7 or sto will a very lonely universe. This also means no time gated content that is just ridiculous, for those of us who are subsribers who actually pay to play.
I guess that's excactly what Trollvax is proposing: if you're an admiral, all you can do is log in, walk around earth spacedock in your shiny uniform ... but that's it. If you don't pull a Kirk and revert to Captain, you can't command a ship or learn new abilities (which is why he asked for level 51++).
But you'd still have the admirals on your account and could epeen around any time you wanted ... just as a desk-commander, not in a ship or on a battlefield.
'Starting to understand what he's doing ... 'tell you, that's a horrible feeling :P
On topic: totally agreed, the admiral plague is pretty ridiculous, and pretty much at an end for all practical matters. The only ranks aboce VA in starfleet's hirarchy are the council of admirals (full Admirals) and the one-of-a-kind O11 that's leading the council as first among equals (THE Fleet Admiral).
That's it. Are we really supposed to believe everyone who plays this game is THE commander of all of starfleet?
VAs are already an immersion killer.
RALH, yeah, maybe, like one per account (has command over all other characters on the account/side, unlocked by getting the third or so char to 50).
RAUH ... maybe fleet leaders, I'd barely be able to accept that (though I'd really have to question starfleet's ability to choose leadership personal, considering the quality of some fleets ... *cough*).
Maybe even a VA as fleet leader, unlocked by ... say, getting starbase to T5 and completing every STF and Fleet Action/Event on Elite mode with all optionals in a fleet run.
But Admiral or Fleet Admiral certainly is too much. Those are actually not even commanding desks anymore - these ranks are pretty much politicans. And they certainly won't be seen on a battlefield or commanding ships, they have to be guarded from assasination or shapechanger replacement in secure locations on planets or major starbases to prevent a collapse of starfleet's chain of command.
So please, can we just get back to sanity and be happy exploring the universe ... as captains?
The day I give up trying to improve this game, I stop playing
STOWiki admin.
This was the main thing he talked about when asked the same question this forum post is called.
Kyle
Who are you trying to improve the game for? Just yourself? Or have you been promoted to voice of the player base with full and complete rights, privileges, etc?
Would your improvements really make the game better for everyone?
Your ideas don't mesh very well with MY ideas for improving Cryptic's game.
So "who" would "we" be "improving" this game for with "our" ideas?
Think about that for a few moments.
Done.
Let's reword that: The day I stop to express my constructive critique, I stop playing -.-
BTW: Almost EVERYONE being at a rank which is canonically regarded as a very high, prestigious and extremely rare title would be what you decidedly prefer?! Please enlighten us with your logic
STOWiki admin.
Commodore Decker in TOS, Admiral Ross, The old guy who reversed his age in TNG. Obviously there are not entire shows based around these people. But Obviously some Admirals of varying ranks are out there in the field doing various things.
Sure I think the ranking in sto could use an overhaul, but I believe there are bigger issues which will always rise up which will take priority.
Kyle
Kyle
Kyle
It's really very simple actually. I AM the only special snowflake Vice Admiral in the STO universe that matters to the NPCs that I meet or interact with during the course of game-play.
In other words, there are ZERO other Vice Admirals or Lieutenant Generals in my very own version of STO. :P
All you other imposters are just figments of some developers imagination!
Or maybe we're all just copies or reflections of that one single entity called the "controllable player avatar"?
It is the problem of MMOs. Everyone wants to be the best and there is not enough time to create personal missions for everyone. So everyone has to do the same missions and be the same rank.
My Captains are Captains (until they retire)
my Klingons include a couple who prefer to be addressed as Commander
and one who likes to be paid in FISH
Season 8: Rank increase to Federation President/Klingon Chancellor? How would people think about that??? "Oh, hey, I'm the only one in my perosnal "real" universe, so I just ignore everyone else" ....
C'mon, if I wanna ignore or imagine things all the time I can play a pen and paper RPG.
Wouldn't a license MMO like STO be best advised with creating as much immersion as possible by implementing as much "Trek-feeling" as possible (where it is possible, of course - wrt the rank issue it IS possible)
Dan Stahl said smth like that: Long-term STO-players are Trek-Fans. Catering to their needs (i.e. adding Trek-feel to the game wherever possible/sensible) ensures STO's long-term viability.
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Kyle
Season 9: Ruler of the Alpha Quadrant
:rolleyes:
You called.