We need votekick for Fleet Events

kamiyama317 · August 2012

I was trying to do the Vault Event today, and I ended up in a queue that would fill up, and then wait for the host to start.

... Five minutes later I am still waiting for the host to start.

So I leave the queue and re-join. Oh no. Its the same host as before.

Everyone else in the queue is raging at this guy, telling him to start the match, and he is ignoring all of us. I sat in the queue for over 20 minutes and finally reported him for griefing everyone doing the event.

First off, I can't add the guy to ignore because it only shows your captain's name in the event queue. There aren't any @handles on there so I can't ignore the guy since I don't know his account name.

Secondly, WHY don't we have a votekick option? One griefer ruined half of a whole one-hour event for every single player trying to finish the event at that time. How is this even allowed to happen?

mewi · August 2012

kamiyama317 wrote: »

I was trying to do the Vault Event today, and I ended up in a queue that would fill up, and then wait for the host to start.

... Five minutes later I am still waiting for the host to start.

So I leave the queue and re-join. Oh no. Its the same host as before.

Everyone else in the queue is raging at this guy, telling him to start the match, and he is ignoring all of us. I sat in the queue for over 20 minutes and finally reported him for griefing everyone doing the event.

First off, I can't add the guy to ignore because it only shows your captain's name in the event queue. There aren't any @handles on there so I can't ignore the guy since I don't know his account name.

Secondly, WHY don't we have a votekick option? One griefer ruined half of a whole one-hour event for every single player trying to finish the event at that time. How is this even allowed to happen?

The event queue system is heavily bugged, chances are it wasn't even the person you are mad at.

But I don't agree, vote kick systems are usually very stupid, people find stupid reasons to kick people. IE: In Mass Effect 3 I get kicked because of my score, regardless of the fact that I am well geared and able to do xyz difficulties. But /logic fails elitists, so this vote kick system will only encourage elitism and trolls. The two generally go in the same category.

dood98998 · August 2012

Ill jsut leave it at no, at let everyone else in the forums do the flaming.

velktra · August 2012

I'm not a fan of "vote to kick"... that kind of system tends to be easily abused. For example, you go into Federation Fleet Alert. You have four Vice Admirals and a Captain.* The four Vice Admirals kick the Captain before the game even begins. Why? The Captain isn't level 50 and "won't do enough damage."

There are people who will do that, as well as people who will vote to kick others for exceedingly silly reasons. "He killed more guys than me." "I don't like his ship." We don't need another way for players to be abused for these reasons.

*I've gone into matches like this on tactical. Luckily on the last one I was doing enough damage that the team decided to keep my escort healed as much as possible.

ascaladar · August 2012

velktra wrote: »

I'm not a fan of "vote to kick"... that kind of system tends to be easily abused. For example, you go into Federation Fleet Alert. You have four Vice Admirals and a Captain.* The four Vice Admirals kick the Captain before the game even begins. Why? The Captain isn't level 50 and "won't do enough damage."

There are people who will do that, as well as people who will vote to kick others for exceedingly silly reasons. "He killed more guys than me." "I don't like his ship." We don't need another way for players to be abused for these reasons.

*I've gone into matches like this on tactical. Luckily on the last one I was doing enough damage that the team decided to keep my escort healed as much as possible.

Yes I would happily kick the Captains the Lieutnants Commanders and the Lieutnants out, but until this happens I will just leave the event.

Low levels joining I consider borderline-griefing because they are just leeching of the work of the others and make it harder for everyone to complete the event.

sollvax · August 2012

And they would like to kick out the useless leeching VA's
(and there are some of them)

tinead51 · August 2012

No we dont ... ever :P

alastairnall · August 2012

sollvax wrote: »

And they would like to kick out the useless leeching VA's
(and there are some of them)

I've seen a few VA's go in and sit at the spawn idle, apparently hoping the rest of the team will do the work and earn the marks for them. I've also seen lower levels doing that. So not only are they depriving the team of another VA just by being there and nerfing the loot, by not even participating they're denying the team the tiny bit of damage they could have contributed.

But I don't think vote kicking is the way to go. As others have pointed out it is a mechanic that is far too easily used to grief players for no justifiable reason. I think they really need to segregate the levels. Keep the ranks together in the public queue and scale the enemies to that. Private queues could remain available to mixed levels.

sollvax · August 2012

you want an all VA team

premake it

sollvax · August 2012

just had to carry a VA in incursion

AGAIN

sollvax · August 2012

perhaps a vote to kick option whe
First time you put someone up for a vote you need 3 votes to kick them

second time you need 4

a third time in a subscription month YOU get booted

open only to Gold and lifetimers
people NOT on chat bans etc
and people who have not been vote kicked themselves in the past 72 hours

skhc · August 2012

reyan01 wrote: »

The evidence of how bad a vote-kick idea is in the fact that there are, as per other threads, players who will go as far as to say that they think the only ships that are any use are escorts.

You wouldn't only get scenarios involving lower-tier players being booted for no reason other than being lower-tier players; you'd get scenarios where you'd get players booted for flying something other than an escort.

I'll take AFK'ers/griefers over unfair/unjustified bootings (and the impact that this would have) anyday.

D'you know I'd rather have 5 Science Ships than 5 Escorts in a Blockade.

And yeah, I agree that votekicking would be abused to hell and back.

markhawkman · August 2012

sollvax wrote: »

And they would like to kick out the useless leeching VA's
(and there are some of them)

Yeah really.... I managed to get 14/4/no WITH a useless leecher. i would dearly love to have seen what that team could have pulled off if not for the leecher.

reyan01 wrote: »

This - definitely!

Played the Colony invasion earlier and there was some VA idiot who shot at a few Breen at the beginning of the mission and subsequently did nothing else (aside from clicking 'need' on select items).

I've said it before and will say it again - I'd rather have a lower-level player who actually shoots at things than a high level one who does nothing.

Same here.

I don't really think "vote to kick" is the answer though. Any mechanism for kicking players needs to be based on something more than "we don't like you". It would have to be based on their contribution to the mission. But it's not easy to program a computer to be able to evaluate someone's performance....

admrenlarreck · August 2012

If a vote to kick is put in I see this happening a lot as well. 3 players from one fleet join a que play the match then right at the end, before the loot is given out the 2 guys not in the fleet get kicked just for fun. This is not acceptable. If anyone in my fleet did this I will happily click the dismiss from fleet button, and not think twice.

We DO NOT NEED a vote to kick.

velktra · August 2012

ascaladar wrote: »

Yes I would happily kick the Captains the Lieutnants Commanders and the Lieutnants out, but until this happens I will just leave the event.

Low levels joining I consider borderline-griefing because they are just leeching of the work of the others and make it harder for everyone to complete the event.

This logic completely baffles me. You leave a game because someone who's allowed to play it is there? But you think the low level player is the one griefing? Aren't you the one intentionally making things more difficult by leaving?

We don't have any control over how the game queues players. If you don't like lower level players coming into "your" game, make a private match.

maxvitor · August 2012

I would say no to a vote kick system since it is too easy for that to be abused by griefers or snobs who think that their way of playing is the only way. But it shouldn't be difficult to modify the AFK timer in events so that anyone who isn't moving and firing their weapons for longer than a minute are drop kicked out of the event automatically.

tvlar · August 2012

I am not in favor of a vote-to-kick feature. Use the ignore function, or report the AFK/Leeches/Griefers.
Game rank is not a true indicator of the final possible result. I was in a Fleet Alert this morning, where I had 2 Captains, a Commander, and another VA as team-mates. We successfully defended the Base. The 2 players I put on "Ignore" last night, were both VA.. AFK at the beginning.

There are many possible reasons for you not to want to be on the same team as some others, for 1 person it might be the rank, for another- the mother language, for another-familiarity with the game. Pugs are not a place to segregate out anything but the most extreme behavior.

Vote-to-kick is a too casual, and possibly unfair, tool to have in the game.

markhawkman · August 2012

maxvitor wrote: »

I would say no to a vote kick system since it is too easy for that to be abused by griefers or snobs who think that their way of playing is the only way. But it shouldn't be difficult to modify the AFK timer in events so that anyone who isn't moving and firing their weapons for longer than a minute are drop kicked out of the event automatically.

This is probably the only way to automate it and have it be at least somewhat fair.

sollvax · August 2012

possible better answer

if a person does not do a % of damage total/heal total proportional to his or her rank

(VA minimum 20% of total , lt 1% of total)
they get NO fleet marks

admrenlarreck · August 2012

maxvitor wrote: »

I would say no to a vote kick system since it is too easy for that to be abused by griefers or snobs who think that their way of playing is the only way. But it shouldn't be difficult to modify the AFK timer in events so that anyone who isn't moving and firing their weapons for longer than a minute are drop kicked out of the event automatically.

Ok say this was put in. It wouldn't be limited to Fleet events it would also be put in for STF's. So you die and get a 90 second respawn timer. Before the respawn timer counts down you have been kicked for being AFK. No thanks. and good luck finding people to run STF's with.

markhawkman · August 2012

admrenlarreck wrote: »

Ok say this was put in. It wouldn't be limited to Fleet events it would also be put in for STF's. So you die and get a 90 second respawn timer. Before the respawn timer counts down you have been kicked for being AFK. No thanks. and good luck finding people to run STF's with.

no, no no..... it wouldn't count time spend waiting to respawn, but would start counting when the respawn timer ran down.

skhc · August 2012

admrenlarreck wrote: »

Ok say this was put in. It wouldn't be limited to Fleet events it would also be put in for STF's. So you die and get a 90 second respawn timer. Before the respawn timer counts down you have been kicked for being AFK. No thanks. and good luck finding people to run STF's with.

In an ideal world, it could be programmed to ignore time spent respawning.

Of coures in an ideal world, people wouldn't leech, afk, be rubbish at the game, leave the instance because they don't like their team-mates etc.

boorman73 · August 2012

What's AFK mean?

velktra · August 2012

boorman73 wrote: »

What's AFK mean?

Away From Keyboard

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tinead51 · August 2012

ascaladar wrote: »

Yes I would happily kick the Captains the Lieutnants Commanders and the Lieutnants out, but until this happens I will just leave the event.

Low levels joining I consider borderline-griefing because they are just leeching of the work of the others and make it harder for everyone to complete the event.

This person is exactly why we dont need a vote kick in the game... making a song and dance about a few lowbies being in with you,and then exhibiting immature behaviour, he or she penalizes everybody.

Way to go :rolleyes:

dood98998 · August 2012

Sheesh, people. If they let low levels into stf's, I would rage too. And don't give me that 'i was a lt. Once' TRIBBLE. My klingon leveled using only 3 missions, doffs, and kerrat in less than two weeks. You can get a fed to lvl 50 in under a week without ever toouching fa's. However, I still adamantly protest against votekicks, as it would give leechers and trolls, as well as the elitist types the same power as normal people.

velktra · August 2012

dood98998 wrote: »

Sheesh, people. If they let low levels into stf's, I would rage too. And don't give me that 'i was a lt. Once' TRIBBLE. My klingon leveled using only 3 missions, doffs, and kerrat in less than two weeks. You can get a fed to lvl 50 in under a week without ever toouching fa's. However, I still adamantly protest against votekicks, as it would give leechers and trolls, as well as the elitist types the same power as normal people.

STFs are different. Fleet events are open to all members of fleets level 2 and up. STFs are only available to level 45 and up (normal, don't remember when elite unlocks).

Level isn't all that counts, however. I ran a normal Infected Space earlier today with four VA's that kept shooting at the transformer before the generators were down and at the gate before we took down the other transformer.

johnny111971 · August 2012

patrickngo wrote: »

heh...now I know why there were only four of us-me and three low-rankers the other night in a Fleet action that has a minimum of 5...

BTW, we had a grand time, but losing that fifth ship before the fight even started didn't help matters.

the point of PUGging isn't fleet marks, or Dilithium or Drops, it's PLAYING the GAME...at one point, YOU were a Lt. or a Cdr., or a Capt., at one point, some elitist douche probably whined about YOU being underfoot.

You don't like the random nature of PUGs with no control over what "quality" (and I use the term LOOSELY) your team is? Fine, if you can find five people who will hang with you, you should run as a team, or stick to Private instances, or rank-limited events-where you can be among your Peers (if they'll have you.)

The real test of skill isn't having everything under ideal circumstances, it's adapting to difficulties and still triumphing. if you can't handle a Starbase Incursion, Starbase Defense, Blockade, or other Fleet-mark event without being surrounded by only L50 or better armed out with bleeding edge STF gear, you're not the top dog you THINK you are.

I'll take a Lt. Jr Grade in a Miranda over a guy like you on my team any day, under any circumstances-because said LTJG is a hell of a lot more likely to at least TRY to contribute, instead of whining and stomping off.

This... a thousand times over.

dood98998 · August 2012

velktra wrote: »

STFs are different. Fleet events are open to all members of fleets level 2 and up. STFs are only available to level 45 and up (normal, don't remember when elite unlocks).

Level isn't all that counts, however. I ran a normal Infected Space earlier today with four VA's that kept shooting at the transformer before the generators were down and at the gate before we took down the other transformer.

Buddy, I've seen VA's who had less dps than my one of my advanced slaver squadrons :P granted, leveling isn't everything, but its so easy to hit l50 that it really irks me that people who haven't leveled yet are wasting other peoples time in end game content.

johnny111971 · August 2012

dood98998 wrote: »

Buddy, I've seen VA's who had less dps than my one of my advanced slaver squadrons :P granted, leveling isn't everything, but its so easy to hit l50 that it really irks me that people who haven't leveled yet are wasting other peoples time in end game content.

I must have missed the post where Cryptic/PWE declared Fleet Events end game content. Seeing that they are open to all levels would, to me, indicate that they are not end game. Can someone provide a link?

Edit: For the record, I have also seen some VA's with less DPS than a Peregrine Fighter Squadron.

We need votekick for Fleet Events

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