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amatsu287
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I love this game, even with it's many flaws. However there has been a topic that I wish Cryptic would address or at least give an answer as to, WHY IS NOTHING PROPORTIONAL!?!?!?
I'm not talking about my head being to large for my body or anything like that. I'm talking about why a defiant is 1/4 the size of Starfleets largest ships? This is wrong in my mind and I can't seem to grasp why this hasn't been addressed or why it wasn't in the game to start with. I always thought it would be bad TRIBBLE to skim the haul of a borg cube in a Defiant while unleashing hell upon them.
There is a GREAT model to look at, EVE online. It has one world but not only does it scale EVERYTHING, but each system can hold just shy of 2500 players. Thats all on one screen as well.
Am I the only one who thinks this or even has brought it up? If not please lets hear what you have to say. If I am what do you think about this becomeing an update sometime in the future?
I'm not talking about my head being to large for my body or anything like that. I'm talking about why a defiant is 1/4 the size of Starfleets largest ships? This is wrong in my mind and I can't seem to grasp why this hasn't been addressed or why it wasn't in the game to start with. I always thought it would be bad TRIBBLE to skim the haul of a borg cube in a Defiant while unleashing hell upon them.
There is a GREAT model to look at, EVE online. It has one world but not only does it scale EVERYTHING, but each system can hold just shy of 2500 players. Thats all on one screen as well.
Am I the only one who thinks this or even has brought it up? If not please lets hear what you have to say. If I am what do you think about this becomeing an update sometime in the future?
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A defiant class ship should be small enough to fit in between the nacelles of a Sovereign class.
Hell, it should be able to land on the secondary hull of the Oddy.
I haven't had the time or money to get the "new bridge bundles" where they supposedly rescaled select bridges down to proper sizes. But to be honest, paying money for proper sizes just kinda turns me off to the idea.
It will be a C/Zen store option though, eventually. 6000 zen per each rescaled costume for each ship. That can only be unlocked for one character per purchase.
I'm not talking about my head being to large for my body or anything like that. I'm talking about why a defiant is 1/4 the size of Starfleets largest ships? This is wrong in my mind and I can't seem to grasp why this hasn't been addressed or why it wasn't in the game to start with. I always thought it would be bad TRIBBLE to skim the haul of a borg cube in a Defiant while unleashing hell upon them.
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So you want the Dfiant even smaller??? If it was to scale, then it would be roughly half the length of the Saucer section of a Galaxy Class and too small to see any real detail on the model. And Shuttles would just be a speck on the screen...
Because when it came to consistency, especially concerning scale, DS9 never gave a **** anyway...
And I'd really hate if the shuttles shrank. Even the Danube runabout is a tiny, hard-to-steer little thing.
It is the same issue as people wanting to navigate via main view screen. No sane helmsman or navigator would ever do so, just as no jet pilot would ever navigate entirely visually baring complete instrument failure.
As for the Defiant, considering that it's size is anywhere from 50m to 200m, it's hard to call it inaccurate. (See http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/defiant-problems.htm for more details.)
Also, you can take a look at http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=219383 to see just how well the ships are scaling.
Go to Bajor. You will find a cargo station orbiting a moon. The cargo station is roughly 1/4th the size of the moon. The cargo station itself is only slightly longer than an Oddy.
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
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And said Jem'Hadar ships decided to prove a point by ramming their way through the saucer of a Galaxy during their introduction.
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
On a personal note, I think they've got the Defiant a bit oversized in the game. But that's just me.
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
actually one ship rammed into the side of the neck
http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200509/ds9-446-jem-hadar-kamikaze-run/320x240.jpg
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/33400/1251797-galaxy3_super.jpg
I always felt it was the deflector they were trying to hit. But now you say it...
Have none of you actually played EVE online? The game is great with awesome graphics. I just wished that it played more like STO and visa verse.
Also the regardless of how the Shows and movies have shown these ships, there are blue prints and graphs that show how large these ships are compared to others. A ship with a crew of 50 shouldn't be anywhere near 1/4 the size of the federations LARGEST starship with a crew of 2,500. And this isn't all about the Defiant. I used her as an example. Its all the ships and stations.
No one is looking out a window at these ships. No one uses un-aided optics to view anything in space. Space is way too big for that.
So you are always looking at a computer generated simulation of what the sensors see and the scaling is whatever is deemed useful rather than actual sizes.
Objects in the forward view sensor may be closer (or farther) than they appear. Its as simple as that.
And your reference to pilots prefering to fly with instruments is WAY off. They fly WITH them not BY them. otherwise they may as well be in flying subs. In fact using subs would have helped your argument more. However you didnt think that far, so now all your other points will be made atop garbage knowledge.
-FYI I know how pilots fly and prefer to fly cause I not only worked with them but flew with them many times.
Back on the topic, scaling is an issue even in the TV series, DS9 is supposed to be massive but interior sets don't match the exterior dimensions, the interiors as well as the size of shuttles on their pads elude to the station being no bigger than a Galaxy class ship yet when one is docked it is always considerably smaller than the station.
Some things can't be scaled properly, a single planet at proper scale in the game would take up the space of several existing sectors.
Some of the scaling issues are more a matter of user convenience, players would quickly find it tiresome if they had to zoom in to see a Danube shuttle if it was scaled faithfully with actual ships being staggeringly big in comparison, smaller ships, fighters and shuttles would be infinitely tiny specks buzzing around which would have very little eye appeal.
Nor would players be interested in the hours or days it would actually take to fly from one object to another in space in those areas were rendered to scale.
The game is meant to be visually enticing and objects are scaled to give you something to look at when you are shooting at it. It probably wouldn't be as interesting to be shooting at little dots as things would appear if they were properly scaled at the distances they are supposed to be at.
So for imaginations sake we could say that what we are seeing in game is not a view out the window but a computer visualization of what the objects magnified shape looks like centered on the objects actual location.