Janeway had no legal power to promote ANYONE in the delta quadrant
Umm Captain of the ship. She could promote the gel packs to Lt Com if she wanted.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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the rules changed when Voyager lost contact with the Alpha Quadrant. Janeway became the leader of Voyager's own government. She still chose to follow Starfleet regulations, which means that there was room to promote Tuvok either way.
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Technically NOPE
she could brevet them (one grade)
and also she was no longer legal commander once she "integrated" terrorists
the ranking Federation officer aboard was actually the medical hologram
Follow the reasoning
Kim killed
Tuvok a covert and thus unable to legally hold command
paris a convicted criminal
Everyone else was dead
Source? You happen to have a copy of the Star Fleet Human Resources Rules and Regulations?
Those were never legally terrorists. At most they were accused terrorists. They never had gone to trial or received any form of due process.
Moreover, you are the legal commander until being legally removed from command, regardless of what acts you commit in the meanwhile.
Being a convicted criminal does not necessarily preclude star fleet service either. The Federation believes in rehabilitation rather than condemnation.
We know for a fact that after her return, Janeway was promoted to Admiral, so your theories don't seem to hold much water.
Technically NOPE
she could brevet them (one grade)
and also she was no longer legal commander once she "integrated" terrorists
the ranking Federation officer aboard was actually the medical hologram
Follow the reasoning
Kim killed
Tuvok a covert and thus unable to legally hold command
paris a convicted criminal
Everyone else was dead
What!? *Is baffled by your reasoning*
First off, Tuvok was a decorated officer who was sent to infiltrate the Maquis. That never lowered his rank. Before he went to infiltrate the Maquis, he served with Janeway aboard the Wyoming. If him infiltrating the Maquis nullifies his legal rank, then a good majority of officers on Voyager, DS9, TNG, TOS and even Ent would have no rank..
As for Kim, I'm not sure what you're trying to say there...
The only thing a Chief Medical Officer can override a Captain's orders is when it has to do with the medical health of the Captain themselves. If the Captain is fit to command, they can override the Medical Officer all they deem right to do, as is seen through out TNG between Picard and both Chiefs that served on the Enterprise. Even Kirk would over-rule McCoy constantly... again, unless the captain was unfit to command, medically.
The Captain can do whatever they want, as long as it is within regulation and not against the orders of their superior. Even if it is against regulation, they can still make command decisions that would otherwise be seen as against Starfleet directives. They may just have to answer for such before their superiors.
Paris was released on parole and later pardoned by Janeway aboard Voyager in the Delta Quadrant by giving him a rank again. He lost it then gained it back. In the novels, he is now first officer of the Voyager under command of Captain Chakotay. His first officer role however, isn't TV canon, it's novel canon.
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First off, Tuvok was a decorated officer who was sent to infiltrate the Maquis. That never lowered his rank.
he was a drop out with family and emotional problems who endangered the ship on several occasions
The only thing a Chief Medical Officer can override a Captain's orders is when it has to do with the medical health of the Captain themselves
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or if the captain is legally insane (failure to use the array to return and set a timed detonation not only violated general orders but also the prime directive)
If the Captain is fit to command, they can override the Medical Officer all they deem right to do, as is seen through out TNG between Picard and both Chiefs that served on the Enterprise. Even Kirk would over-rule McCoy constantly... again, unless the captain was unfit to command, medically.
which janeway was from day one
she allowed KNOWN terrorists onto the ship and made one first officer
she brought a BORG drone onto the ship
she encouraged desertion
she also blew up a LOT of things she did not have to
The Captain can do whatever they want, as long as it is within regulation and not against the orders of their superior. Even if it is against regulation, they can still make command decisions that would otherwise be seen as against Starfleet directives. They may just have to answer for such before their superiors.
but it is the duty of the first officer or medical officer to remove them as soon as practical
Paris was released on parole and later pardoned by Janeway aboard Voyager in the Delta Quadrant by giving him a rank again. He lost it then gained it back. In the novels, he is now first officer of the Voyager under command of Captain Chakotay. His first officer role however, isn't TV canon, it's novel canon.
but happily in another novel he and his half klingon mrs are in a federation correctional colony
or if the captain is legally insane (failure to use the array to return and set a timed detonation not only violated general orders but also the prime directive)
Uhm... that would be a medical condition...
Failure to follow an order is not a medical condition and doesn't outright constitute insanity.
Most of the rest, I'm not going to address as it is all purely subjective and obviously your opinion and outlook. Or it really has no bearing on the conversation and is just re-wording of what I or others have said in a manner to try and make your opinion sound as fact.
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point is Tuvok lived and operated as a lt for MOST of the series
and so was paris (both doing some tactical duties)
so at best voyager would have TWO lt tac positions
The U.S.S. Voyager, maybe. As for the whole line of the Intrepid class? Nah. Voyager was and continues to be unlike any other Intrepid there is or has been.
I like my Intrepid just fine but I admit, this enjoyment is just my opinion of my beloved little ship.
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of which i'm very glad it isn't.
I asked long ago why wasn't space more canon in this, the replys were "do i REALLY wanna play the couple weeks journey from sol to risa going warp 5 speed limit for a non-emergency? :eek:"
so there is a point were canon is good but game play is better.
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Even if we count the episodes in the first season that he was clearly a Lt Cmdr, as still being a Lt, that totals 73 episodes. Seasons 1-3 + 5 episodes from Season 4.
That leaves 99 where he was a Lt Cmdr.
Last time I checked 99 > 73. So I am not sure how you can say that.
So, this guy is clearly a troll just looking to disagree with everyone.
and voyager was total rubbish (got worse as it went on as well)
You sir, may wish to count again.
He was Lieutenant for 71 episodes. He became Lieutenant Commander in Season 4, episode 5 - which leaves 96 more episodes in which he "was" Lieutenant Commander. Personally, Voyager remains my favorite of them all and is the only ST series I have watched 4 times through, since it first aired. I'll probably start over again, starting with TNG sometime later this year or next year.
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very well he was a lt com and janeway was goddess of death for the delta quadrant happy??
you still don't get better stations on the ship
and he remains a lt (count the Dots on his uniform sometime) for the whole first half of the series and some time afterwards
weirdly janeway made admiral dispite being totally unqualified and having killed half her own crew and sold out to the borg
voyager is rubbish begining to end
it set out with a lt at tac and thats ALL you are going to get
very well he was a lt com and janeway was goddess of death for the delta quadrant happy??
you still don't get better stations on the ship
and he remains a lt (count the Dots on his uniform sometime) for the whole first half of the series and some time afterwards
weirdly janeway made admiral dispite being totally unqualified and having killed half her own crew and sold out to the borg
voyager is rubbish begining to end
it set out with a lt at tac and thats ALL you are going to get
It still doesn't change the fact that we are not flying the Voyager. We are flying an Intrepid class made in the future to serve a different purpose than what had happened to Voyager. I don't know how many times there have been points in ST:VOY where they refitted something on Voyager. So, in all intents and purposes, Voyager would be it's own Intrepid Refit class apart from our Intrepid and Intrepid Refits.
I guess when you make Federation President, or buy all the rights to Star Trek - past and present, you can set things "right." But to go on and on over your opinions, likes and dislikes, approval and disapproval, as though they are entitled to dictate fact and canon, is just wrong.
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Umm Captain of the ship. She could promote the gel packs to Lt Com if she wanted.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Technically NOPE
she could brevet them (one grade)
and also she was no longer legal commander once she "integrated" terrorists
the ranking Federation officer aboard was actually the medical hologram
Follow the reasoning
Kim killed
Tuvok a covert and thus unable to legally hold command
paris a convicted criminal
Everyone else was dead
That's okay, canon isn't exactly known for being self-consistent
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Source? You happen to have a copy of the Star Fleet Human Resources Rules and Regulations?
Those were never legally terrorists. At most they were accused terrorists. They never had gone to trial or received any form of due process.
Moreover, you are the legal commander until being legally removed from command, regardless of what acts you commit in the meanwhile.
Being a convicted criminal does not necessarily preclude star fleet service either. The Federation believes in rehabilitation rather than condemnation.
We know for a fact that after her return, Janeway was promoted to Admiral, so your theories don't seem to hold much water.
What!? *Is baffled by your reasoning*
First off, Tuvok was a decorated officer who was sent to infiltrate the Maquis. That never lowered his rank. Before he went to infiltrate the Maquis, he served with Janeway aboard the Wyoming. If him infiltrating the Maquis nullifies his legal rank, then a good majority of officers on Voyager, DS9, TNG, TOS and even Ent would have no rank..
As for Kim, I'm not sure what you're trying to say there...
The only thing a Chief Medical Officer can override a Captain's orders is when it has to do with the medical health of the Captain themselves. If the Captain is fit to command, they can override the Medical Officer all they deem right to do, as is seen through out TNG between Picard and both Chiefs that served on the Enterprise. Even Kirk would over-rule McCoy constantly... again, unless the captain was unfit to command, medically.
The Captain can do whatever they want, as long as it is within regulation and not against the orders of their superior. Even if it is against regulation, they can still make command decisions that would otherwise be seen as against Starfleet directives. They may just have to answer for such before their superiors.
Paris was released on parole and later pardoned by Janeway aboard Voyager in the Delta Quadrant by giving him a rank again. He lost it then gained it back. In the novels, he is now first officer of the Voyager under command of Captain Chakotay. His first officer role however, isn't TV canon, it's novel canon.
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he was a drop out with family and emotional problems who endangered the ship on several occasions
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or if the captain is legally insane (failure to use the array to return and set a timed detonation not only violated general orders but also the prime directive)
which janeway was from day one
she allowed KNOWN terrorists onto the ship and made one first officer
she brought a BORG drone onto the ship
she encouraged desertion
she also blew up a LOT of things she did not have to
but it is the duty of the first officer or medical officer to remove them as soon as practical
but happily in another novel he and his half klingon mrs are in a federation correctional colony
Failure to follow an order is not a medical condition and doesn't outright constitute insanity.
Most of the rest, I'm not going to address as it is all purely subjective and obviously your opinion and outlook. Or it really has no bearing on the conversation and is just re-wording of what I or others have said in a manner to try and make your opinion sound as fact.
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and so was paris (both doing some tactical duties)
so at best voyager would have TWO lt tac positions
The U.S.S. Voyager, maybe. As for the whole line of the Intrepid class? Nah. Voyager was and continues to be unlike any other Intrepid there is or has been.
I like my Intrepid just fine but I admit, this enjoyment is just my opinion of my beloved little ship.
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of which i'm very glad it isn't.
I asked long ago why wasn't space more canon in this, the replys were "do i REALLY wanna play the couple weeks journey from sol to risa going warp 5 speed limit for a non-emergency? :eek:"
so there is a point were canon is good but game play is better.
Obviously this guy has something against Tuvok or Voyager as a whole.
Im not sure where you learned how to count, but Tuvok was definitely a Lt Cmdr for most of the series.
Why would the captain of a ship not be able to promote her crew? Why would she not be able to grant field commissions?
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lt for most of the series
and voyager was total rubbish (got worse as it went on as well)
That leaves 99 where he was a Lt Cmdr.
Last time I checked 99 > 73. So I am not sure how you can say that.
So, this guy is clearly a troll just looking to disagree with everyone.
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You sir, may wish to count again.
He was Lieutenant for 71 episodes. He became Lieutenant Commander in Season 4, episode 5 - which leaves 96 more episodes in which he "was" Lieutenant Commander. Personally, Voyager remains my favorite of them all and is the only ST series I have watched 4 times through, since it first aired. I'll probably start over again, starting with TNG sometime later this year or next year.
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you still don't get better stations on the ship
and he remains a lt (count the Dots on his uniform sometime) for the whole first half of the series and some time afterwards
weirdly janeway made admiral dispite being totally unqualified and having killed half her own crew and sold out to the borg
voyager is rubbish begining to end
it set out with a lt at tac and thats ALL you are going to get
It still doesn't change the fact that we are not flying the Voyager. We are flying an Intrepid class made in the future to serve a different purpose than what had happened to Voyager. I don't know how many times there have been points in ST:VOY where they refitted something on Voyager. So, in all intents and purposes, Voyager would be it's own Intrepid Refit class apart from our Intrepid and Intrepid Refits.
I guess when you make Federation President, or buy all the rights to Star Trek - past and present, you can set things "right." But to go on and on over your opinions, likes and dislikes, approval and disapproval, as though they are entitled to dictate fact and canon, is just wrong.
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but you cant say facts are wrong just because you dont like something, thats called being pig headed
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and starfleet will have one set of uniform uniforms
so be glad I do not have a spare $50 million