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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    There was a Dev post last week about this.

    Basically, they could put the ISS title in, but the mechanics at this time prevent it being limited to Mirror Ships. So if it ended up being added in, it would be like the NX-title, and they don't want Federation ships running around with the ISS title.
  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    auric2000 wrote: »
    Is there really a explanation why the Mirror Fed ships don't come with this important prefix? Without the prefix there really is no point to owning one of these two ships. Any thoughts or is it a case of CBS says no to everything?

    Cryptic doen't have the tech to limit the IIS from showing up on only 1 of your ships. If they let you change it from USS to ISS it would do that to all your ships.

    You might get it one day but not today.
  • cedricophoffcedricophoff Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    auric2000 wrote: »
    Is there really a explanation why the Mirror Fed ships don't come with this important prefix? Without the prefix there really is no point to owning one of these two ships. Any thoughts or is it a case of CBS says no to everything?

    FYI, CBS so far has only said no to things that were completely illogical to put in. That said, like one of the posters here said. Its just a tech limitation. Maybe they will "fix" it, maybe they wont.

    In my eyes eventhough i have no interest in those ships, there are quite a lot of reasons to own one. Its sad that you let this one little issue cloud your enjoyment of said vessel. Give it some time. :)
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    FYI, CBS so far has only said no to things that were completely illogical to put in. That said, like one of the posters here said. Its just a tech limitation. Maybe they will "fix" it, maybe they wont.

    In my eyes eventhough i have no interest in those ships, there are quite a lot of reasons to own one. Its sad that you let this one little issue cloud your enjoyment of said vessel. Give it some time. :)

    And watch it cost like 500 Zen ;)
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    auric2000 wrote: »
    And watch it cost like 500 Zen ;)

    Nah, if they made it cost money, it would negate the reason to buy the lockboxes no? They'll fix it for sure, they'll just fix it when the next lockbox with mirror ships rolls around. :P
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    No more lock boxes.. What else could they really do? Defiants with Prometheus loadouts and vice versa?. Though a Galaxy with a more tactical edge would be very nice..
  • sesshoseki7sesshoseki7 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The "technical reason" behind it is that Cryptic/PWE are working on -CHARGING- for it...

    Pure and simple... NX prefix anyone? Got mine in my pre-order, but it wasn't "free" or anything of the sort...

    It will come along, and there is nothing limiting them from putting a simple data string into the game, particularly since they only have to change ONE LETTER (literally a single byte!) from USS to ISS...
  • auric2000auric2000 Member Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    True, couldnt they just use the same system for NCC/NX and apply it to USS/ISS?
  • kingdoxykingdoxy Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    auric2000 wrote: »
    No more lock boxes.. What else could they really do? Defiants with Prometheus loadouts and vice versa?. Though a Galaxy with a more tactical edge would be very nice..

    Expect a Mirror universe Delta Flyer down the line. We already have the Pet in the Lobi store so they will eventually roll out a playable version.

    Why go to the work of re-skining the model if you're only going to make it a pet?
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,163 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    auric2000 wrote: »
    No more lock boxes.. What else could they really do? Defiants with Prometheus loadouts and vice versa?. Though a Galaxy with a more tactical edge would be very nice..

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,163 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    kingdoxy wrote: »
    Expect a Mirror universe Delta Flyer down the line. We already have the Pet in the Lobi store so they will eventually roll out a playable version.

    Why go to the work of re-skining the model if you're only going to make it a pet?

    Its on the Nx aswell. Just give us the mirror skin for everyship please cryptic.
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  • wildmousexwildmousex Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The "technical reason" behind it is that Cryptic/PWE are working on -CHARGING- for it...

    Pure and simple... NX prefix anyone? Got mine in my pre-order, but it wasn't "free" or anything of the sort...

    It will come along, and there is nothing limiting them from putting a simple data string into the game, particularly since they only have to change ONE LETTER (literally a single byte!) from USS to ISS...

    even with the NX prefix, it only shows on the hull - which is more or less impossible for anyone else but you to see.
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    funny people complain that we can have NX but not ISS...


    NX Is a prefix of the registry number, where as the other is part of the ship name, two different prefixes and different functions. unfortunately the USS is whats shown to yourself and other players when in sector space, if it was just the shipname without iks/uss that was used, then yes it should be possible to change it to their mirror counterparts.

    registry numbers are only a secondary identifier, which is why they could replace the NCC with NX.
  • captrayvenwingcaptrayvenwing Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I mentioned this yesterday:



    There are also technical reasons behind it.

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    The technical reason is probably that when they built the game the concatenated the ships name string uss and stored it in the data base that way.

    To fix it they would have to add a field to the players ship table for the prefix and then up data the data base so that all the older ships get the uss unconcated and into the right field.

    Then they have to find every instance where the query calls that ship name field and add the prefix field then concat it prior to display
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The technical reason is probably that when they built the game the concatenated the ships name string uss and stored it in the data base that way.

    To fix it they would have to add a field to the players ship table for the prefix and then up data the data base so that all the older ships get the uss unconcated and into the right field.

    Then they have to find every instance where the query calls that ship name field and add the prefix field then concat it prior to display

    U.S.S. is part of the name string. You have to type it when dismissing a ship.

    I'm more inclined to believe the devs when they say the issue is that you'd be able to name all your ships I.S.S. if you could name any of them I.S.S. and that it would take additional code time to have the code that appends name strings with U.S.S. updated to either be locked to certain ships or even to be selectable.

    That's programming time and UI coding.

    But your ship has "U.S.S." as part of the name. It's just appended onto the string automatically as part of the naming process.

    A glance at demo scripts would seem to confirm that the system makes "U.S.S." part of the name string and that it's not a system default.

    Now... They could make a ship I.S.S. with a name string modifier but it would fall outside the standard conventions of how ships are named rather than through the UI.

    For example:

    Make a consumable device.

    Actually, you'd need two

    - The device has an equip restriction, limiting it to Mirror Universe Star Cruiser, Assault Cruiser, Fleet Assault Cruiser, Assault Cruiser Retrofit (the C-Store variant planned). (This is to limit it to ships with that skin unlocked)
    This device would be in the dilithium store for owners of the MU Star Cruiser (similar to the Galor restricted Spinal Phaser)

    - Mirror Universe Assault Cruiser, Star Cruiser, Fleet Star Cruiser. (This is to limit it to ships with that skin unlocked)
    This device would be on the dilithium store for owners of the MU Assault Cruiser (similar to the Galor restricted Spinal Phaser)

    Now, these devices would be a consumable with that deletes the first six characters of a ship's name string and inserts "I.S.S." at the beginning.

    I think you'd need to make it an equippable, consumable device to guarantee it only works on the ship with the I.S.S. skin unlocked. If it were done through the UI, without UI changes, they'd have to unlock it for all ships.

    I'd propose calling these devices:

    Mirror Assault Cruiser Christening Bottle and Mirror Star Cruiser Christening Bottle.

    Like I say, they'd be in the dilithium store and restricted for purchase, only available to someone with the appropriate ship.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,163 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    hmm in the insane universe we might christen a ship by smashing a bottle on the hull... in the cool universe we take it to a Alien colony and let it do its pew pew thing.

    I propose we call it the "Terran Mark"... to get it you have to go to a planet we all hate *cough* Defera *cough* and preform a 5 minute orbital bombarment.
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