It is nice to see canon environmental suits in the game, and they certainly do look great. However, as other have already noted, they are over-priced and the fact that they are per character items further diminishes whatever redeeming qualities the suits themselves may have.
But 700 Zen per character is just insane. Who thought this would be a good idea?
I could accept 700 Zen for ACCOUNT wide unlock, but per char? No.
I think somewhere between 300-500 zen would be much more in the right direction for per char unlock.
I want a suit, but the one from the Tholian missions will serve me just as well, and that one is FREE
The sad thing is, I think a per character unlock would work.
I would want a handful of thing to consider it at 700 ZEN per character:
1. Physical damage bonus (for recreating Worf in EV suit fun; it's not an imbalancing extra since people won't get that along with the energy bonus)
2. Built in Remodulator (completely impractical for an EV suit until we fight Borg in hostile environments but fairly true to canon... just make it a touch longer than the STF set bonus remod)
3. EV suit costume unlock, helmeted and helmetless options, one patch of color to customize on the costumes.
4. 5 to a pack. The packs can be sold. When opened, the suits are bound. This would enable outfitting away teams of BOs in them. It would not likely DECREASE sales since they still are locked to the character who opens them but it would INCREASE sales due to perception of value. You rarely NEED to outfit BOs in EV suits so nobody would buy them for that but the OPTION to makes these sound like a better value per purchase because then it becomes 140 ZEN per suit with the spares only usable on BOs.
These are not dramatic changes. They are unlikely to cost sales and very likely would increase them if the 700 ZEN and per character parts are set in stone.
So I have to say that I love the new suits. Great job by the design team, massive kudos to all involved. After I DL'ed the patch, I looked at my account and found that after purchasing my Delta Flyer yesterday, I had 725 Zen left over. I'm one of those freaks that only has one character so I said Frak it. and it looks awesome.
At 700 Zen ($7.00 U.S.) - IF these were for an account wide unlock (as the majority of other C-Store costumes are - and in the end, that's EXACTLY whay these are as you can get the old style suits with better stats in game in the Nukara invasion) - AND I could make any better EVA suit I acquired look like these FC EVA suits in the tailor; I'd probably pick them up.
However - $7.00 per character? Really? I gthoughbt Cryptic said PWE was NOT going to force aspects of the Eastern F2P on Cryptic; becuase a $7.00 per character unlock is EXACTLY the type of thing I would expect tpo see in an Eastern MMO cash shop.
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So I have to say that I love the new suits. Great job by the design team, massive kudos to all involved. After I DL'ed the patch, I looked at my account and found that after purchasing my Delta Flyer yesterday, I had 725 Zen left over. I'm one of those freaks that only has one character so I said Frak it. and it looks awesome.
So I have to say that I love the new suits. Great job by the design team, massive kudos to all involved. After I DL'ed the patch, I looked at my account and found that after purchasing my Delta Flyer yesterday, I had 725 Zen left over. I'm one of those freaks that only has one character so I said Frak it. and it looks awesome.
I wonder, where are the Cryptic / PWE defenders now.
didn't you read the comments on that page? they're sitting there accusing people of being 'whiny' calling people 'cheap' calling them rude, spoiled brats and, oh yes, calling them TRIBBLE
how is it they keep getting away with this kind of thing? telling people to shut up or leave is unacceptable, calling them a TRIBBLE is not only unacceptable, its a crime in several countries.
These EV suits are cosmetic
No, they're not. They don't call them 'combat EV suits' for no reason.
These are not required to win or do well
This is not an argument for them in any manner whatsoever. this is you trying to make excuses
But there is no reason to get upset over a small piece of fluff
Thats what every apologist says about every act cryptic has done and every item they have released. It is not an excuse and this is not fluff. To say nothing of the fact its another piece of a much larger load of bs they've been pulling lately
Vote with your wallet
Which does absolutely nothing because no matter how many or how few are sold cryptic will hide the actual figures and claim they were successful
There's 1 L in every crowd
Yes, and more often than not they are in some way working for the company in situations like this
It'll be a cold day in hell, when satan skates to work, bush gets the nobel peace prize, 7-11 cheeseburgers become edible and Hitler rises from the dead and converts to orthodox judaism, before I even consider buying one of these things
The sad thing is you can run a couple of the Tholian missions and get nothing but EVA suits from your requisitions that are all just as decent as the 700 Zen one, lol. I bought a purple quality EVA suit on the exchange for 10,000 EC, but nice try Cryptic. I'm also noticing an alarming trend where new c-store stuff is now per character on a more frequent basis.
Cryptic, I'm happy you finally added the First Contact EVA suits, but $7 for a character unlock is just too much. And the suit's stats aren't any better than the Best Suit drops on Nukara. So the price isn't justified in my eyes, especially people with multiple characters.
For that $7, the suit needs to have better stats or somekind of unique ability and account-wide unlock. After all this is more expensive than current account-wide costumes or even Tier 1 ships.
I'm not mad at you cryptic, I'm just very disappointed you would do this. I really wanted those EV suits too but unfortunately at 700 per character, I'm sorry that's just not worth it, specially when the DS9 pack is priced at $10 and is a much more superior value.
So, can someone fill me in on the current exchange price for these things? I'm rather curious as to just how extortionate the going rate is.
I'm starting to feel like Cryptic's definition of "feedback" is the same one that musicians are accustomed to: Very quickly block your ears and turn the volume down on the thing making the noise.
...That is only reasonable explanation I can think of why all this 'feedback' is falling on such deaf ears. All we've received is a proverbial "No Comment."
Nahh everytime Cryptic gets negative feedback they pretty much go dark for a few days, hoping it will blow over, and then when it doesn't they offer some explanation.
But as much as I was looking forward to these suits, put me down for None. I guess the people rumor mongering 'per char ships/etc' will have more fuel for their discussion.
Shame these suits look good.
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They do not named Season 6 : Wallet under Siege for nothing.
And for Star Trek spirit,our beloved Gene Roddenberry is turning in his grave about this idioticy.
Those EVA suits must be standard Fed and KDF equipment not C-store money sucking thing.
Imagine Enterprise E on dock and Captain Pickard in the store ironing his American Express card to buy things for Away team
they Do Not Named Season 6 : Wallet Under Siege For Nothing.
And For Star Trek Spirit,our Beloved Gene Roddenberry Is Turning In His Grave About This Idioticy.
Those Eva Suits Must Be Standard Fed And Kdf Equipment Not C-store Money Sucking Thing.
Imagine Enterprise E On Dock And Captain Pickard In The Store Ironing His American Express Card To Buy Things For Away Team
Also annoyed that you guys JUST put in the Tholian Lobi set, and this doesn't work with it. So, you either look stupid and get the set powers or look cool and break the set. So stupid.
Nahh everytime Cryptic gets negative feedback they pretty much go dark for a few days, hoping it will blow over, and then when it doesn't they offer some explanation.
But that's never happened consistently... sometimes they're silent during good times, and sometimes they react immediately during bad times.
PWE is reacting a lot like that, for sure. Cryptic is under orders to do this kind of thing, and anything they say could ignite the fuel worse. They're walking on glass, essentially.
Thick skin or not, their silence is justified.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
WEll not to give or PWE Overlords any ideas But if they came out with Duel Pistols that would take out anyone wearing 1 of the over priced EV Outfits I think i would be fighting to get in line to Buy
WEll not to give or PWE Overlords any ideas But if they came out with Duel Pistols that would take out anyone wearing 1 of the over priced EV Outfits I think i would be fighting to get in line to Buy
Unless PWE uses the same exorbitant pricing model for said dual pistols :P
Laws of thermodynamics as applied to life: 0 - You must play the game. 1 - You can't win. 2 - You can't break even. 3 - You can't quit.
So I have to say that I love the new suits. Great job by the design team, massive kudos to all involved. After I DL'ed the patch, I looked at my account and found that after purchasing my Delta Flyer yesterday, I had 725 Zen left over. I'm one of those freaks that only has one character so I said Frak it. and it looks awesome.
Thank you Cryptic.
Has to be another PWE employee I've heard of these scams make one person buy it and the rest will follow.
However not all STO players are sheep
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I can only speculate that the only way to impress upon PWE which of their models won't work in Cryptic game communities, is to throw the PWE method up. So that it can be seen to fail.
This is one of those moments that I hope does indicate that we may be more representative of the active player base. At least more so than is typically thought. Even if so, it may be a while for us to see that influence.
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They look great, you really did an amazing job on them. Seriously.
To the person/people who decided the pricing/single unlock:
Get off my bridge.
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The sad thing is, I think a per character unlock would work.
I would want a handful of thing to consider it at 700 ZEN per character:
1. Physical damage bonus (for recreating Worf in EV suit fun; it's not an imbalancing extra since people won't get that along with the energy bonus)
2. Built in Remodulator (completely impractical for an EV suit until we fight Borg in hostile environments but fairly true to canon... just make it a touch longer than the STF set bonus remod)
3. EV suit costume unlock, helmeted and helmetless options, one patch of color to customize on the costumes.
4. 5 to a pack. The packs can be sold. When opened, the suits are bound. This would enable outfitting away teams of BOs in them. It would not likely DECREASE sales since they still are locked to the character who opens them but it would INCREASE sales due to perception of value. You rarely NEED to outfit BOs in EV suits so nobody would buy them for that but the OPTION to makes these sound like a better value per purchase because then it becomes 140 ZEN per suit with the spares only usable on BOs.
These are not dramatic changes. They are unlikely to cost sales and very likely would increase them if the 700 ZEN and per character parts are set in stone.
Thank you Cryptic.
However - $7.00 per character? Really? I gthoughbt Cryptic said PWE was NOT going to force aspects of the Eastern F2P on Cryptic; becuase a $7.00 per character unlock is EXACTLY the type of thing I would expect tpo see in an Eastern MMO cash shop.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
There's 1 L in every crowd
didn't you read the comments on that page? they're sitting there accusing people of being 'whiny' calling people 'cheap' calling them rude, spoiled brats and, oh yes, calling them TRIBBLE
how is it they keep getting away with this kind of thing? telling people to shut up or leave is unacceptable, calling them a TRIBBLE is not only unacceptable, its a crime in several countries.
No, they're not. They don't call them 'combat EV suits' for no reason.
This is not an argument for them in any manner whatsoever. this is you trying to make excuses
Thats what every apologist says about every act cryptic has done and every item they have released. It is not an excuse and this is not fluff. To say nothing of the fact its another piece of a much larger load of bs they've been pulling lately
Which does absolutely nothing because no matter how many or how few are sold cryptic will hide the actual figures and claim they were successful
Yes, and more often than not they are in some way working for the company in situations like this
It'll be a cold day in hell, when satan skates to work, bush gets the nobel peace prize, 7-11 cheeseburgers become edible and Hitler rises from the dead and converts to orthodox judaism, before I even consider buying one of these things
Crypic your going down the ****ter.
I wish it would not of gone F2P. A Chinese company is ruining Star Trek....
If Cryptic feels like experimenting with pricing I expect this one to fail.
For that $7, the suit needs to have better stats or somekind of unique ability and account-wide unlock. After all this is more expensive than current account-wide costumes or even Tier 1 ships.
Nahh everytime Cryptic gets negative feedback they pretty much go dark for a few days, hoping it will blow over, and then when it doesn't they offer some explanation.
Has PWE/Cryptic marketing gone insane?
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Shame these suits look good.
Now partying like its 1999 on the forums.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-No.
And for Star Trek spirit,our beloved Gene Roddenberry is turning in his grave about this idioticy.
Those EVA suits must be standard Fed and KDF equipment not C-store money sucking thing.
Imagine Enterprise E on dock and Captain Pickard in the store ironing his American Express card to buy things for Away team
Oh So True!!!!!!
^This.
While they look awesome, the price just makes it fail so hard, and to-a-man (and woman) everyone in my fleet has said the same.
No. Just.... no.
Ninth Fleet - 20 years, from SFC2:EAW to STO and still going strong...
Also annoyed that you guys JUST put in the Tholian Lobi set, and this doesn't work with it. So, you either look stupid and get the set powers or look cool and break the set. So stupid.
PWE is reacting a lot like that, for sure. Cryptic is under orders to do this kind of thing, and anything they say could ignite the fuel worse. They're walking on glass, essentially.
Thick skin or not, their silence is justified.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
At this point in time, I can't tell if it has stabilized at 50mil or 5mil. Been about 6 hours since I last checked.
And coming from a Ferengi, that's really saying something.
Has to be another PWE employee I've heard of these scams make one person buy it and the rest will follow.
However not all STO players are sheep
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This is one of those moments that I hope does indicate that we may be more representative of the active player base. At least more so than is typically thought. Even if so, it may be a while for us to see that influence.