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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Attitude of some people here is rather hilarious. Good job on fixing a bug !
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,256 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    guriphu wrote: »
    The set was indeed balanced for ground pvp. A shield that is twice as good as all the other shields in the game, a gun that is twice as good as all the other guns in the game, and an armor that provides roughly the same protection as a damp paper bag makes for a pretty balanced combination.
    Only the set is not the best and now with the nerf feels useless and wasted money. Why use the gun when Fleet guns are better. Why use the shield when now fleet shields are better, same for armor?

    Basically we got tricked into wasting money by making the set better then fleet items. Then after spending real money nerf the set below fleet items.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,256 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    So you bought it to be OP and make Ground PvP a joke? Or was it just for PvE?

    It didn't take long for people to rush to Otha with this set. It just shows how many agree with pay to win as long as they are the ones winning.
    I bought it so i could run Elite STF's without getting 1 shot killed. It made the Elite STF balanced and fun. After the nerf the set is worse then fleet items so I feel I have wasted money on items I no longer have any use for.
  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ok, I was a bit skeptical about the power of the MK XII Cryo Pulsewave, as I hadn't seen it in action yet. But I ran into it overnight.

    This gun is an insulting joke. I was oneshot through full shields (mkxii [cap]x2) by the PRIMARY FIRE, you know, the weak part of a pulsewave. Without any debuffs on me and without any tac buffs on the attacker, too. I was crouching, but I didn't get a dodge, so that didn't help. This gun is beyond broken and I hope it gets looked at as well.
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    I bought it so i could run Elite STF's without getting 1 shot killed. It made the Elite STF balanced and fun. After the nerf the set is worse then fleet items so I feel I have wasted money on items I no longer have any use for.
    If you're getting oneshot in elite STFs, you're doing something wrong. Crouch and always be a step away from hard cover when you can.
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,256 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    radkip wrote: »

    If you're getting oneshot in elite STFs, you're doing something wrong. Crouch and always be a step away from hard cover when you can.

    There is no cover for the boss.
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    ruffled123 wrote: »
    This.....for those who spent real money on the lobi upgrade, comepensate us for it or give a full refund when you nerf it. We bought it with the current stats for a reson..not our fault that it was out of balance...so dont short us...again

    Heavy escord carrier was nerved, MVAV was nerved, Exchelsior was nerved must I go on, all those ships I payed also real money for. Thats how they get us to buy the new stuff, sell it when its overpowerd and then later nerv the hel out of it.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Excelsior actually got huge hps buff last patch. :rolleyes:
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  • guriphuguriphu Member Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Radkip, you must be mistaken somewhere. A strong crit from the primary might drop your shields, but it would not have enough damage left to oneshot you afterwards, even if you were debuffed.

    Not that the primary fire of the Compressed Cryo Launcher (even the unleveled version) couldn't oneshot you, once your shields were down. It would take a soft-buffing tac, or some amount of debuffing on you, to do it - it's impossible for the gun to crit for more than about 400 damage - but it's certainly possible, since a simple Tricorder Scan would put that damage up to 600, which is a oneshot if your shields are down.
  • capcushcapcush Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    really its a ground set that is strong and yall are complaining about how strong it is?
  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    radkip wrote: »
    Ok, I was a bit skeptical about the power of the MK XII Cryo Pulsewave, as I hadn't seen it in action yet. But I ran into it overnight.

    You were skeptical? Did your fleetmates not tell you how they were terrorizing Otha with this set? No worries, some skilled players pushed them off the FED spawn so people could play on that map again.
  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    guriphu wrote: »
    Radkip, you must be mistaken somewhere. A strong crit from the primary might drop your shields, but it would not have enough damage left to oneshot you afterwards, even if you were debuffed.

    You forget that your fleetmates use double cloak and walk right up behind people for the flanking bonus as well.
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    You were skeptical? Did your fleetmates not tell you how they were terrorizing Otha with this set? No worries, some skilled players pushed them off the FED spawn so people could play on that map again.

    An excellent reason why I don't bother with LOLground, one group is far too dominant and thus makes being on the other team a bit dull.

    And ground PVP is dull anyway, come to think of it...
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  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    You were skeptical? Did your fleetmates not tell you how they were terrorizing Otha with this set? No worries, some skilled players pushed them off the FED spawn so people could play on that map again.
    As far as I knew, only one member of the fleet had it, and I know he's a double cloaking spawn camping **** who makes pvp not fun (either with or against him). I'd apologise for his behaviour, but I don't think it'd do much.

    I'm disappointed just as much as you are about the spawncamping certain members of our fleet do. Otha shouldn't be about who can spawn camp the best, and the only reason I go there is to square off against others in a (reasonably fair) setting when the queues are dead.
    Radkip, you must be mistaken somewhere. A strong crit from the primary might drop your shields, but it would not have enough damage left to oneshot you afterwards, even if you were debuffed.
    I must be. I hope I am. It couldn't have been Tricorder Scan, as the other team was Tac Tac Engi. I didn't have the obnoxious effect of FoMM on me when I got hit, and I didn't see Battle Strategies or Target Optics on his bar when the guy ran away. He did have strike team though, I forgot to mention that.

    Still doesn't change the fact that this is a broken gun and needs a balance pass.
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  • chk231chk231 Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Is the base tholian set only found in special mission? Ive been killing skitters for few days and have not seen it as reward.

    +100 for referencing Falling Skies which is an awesome show. I'm so glad that the writing is getting better with each episode. In my opinion, this past Sundays episode was excellent.
  • mavairomavairo Member Posts: 579
    edited July 2012
    An excellent reason why I don't bother with LOLground, one group is far too dominant and thus makes being on the other team a bit dull.

    And ground PVP is dull anyway, come to think of it...

    you seemed to enjoy yourself on the lolground that one time...




































    when we had the opvplolground big pvp.
  • superherofansuperherofan Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If the set gets whapped with the nerf gun, can we at least get the First Contact EVA suit already ingame as a costume unlock for those who've already bought it? I'm sure it would proc with 100% awesomeness.
  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited July 2012
    bones1970 wrote: »
    Heavy escord carrier was nerved, MVAV was nerved, Exchelsior was nerved must I go on, all those ships I payed also real money for. Thats how they get us to buy the new stuff, sell it when its overpowerd and then later nerv the hel out of it.
    pottsey5g wrote: »
    Only the set is not the best and now with the nerf feels useless and wasted money. Why use the gun when Fleet guns are better. Why use the shield when now fleet shields are better, same for armor?

    Basically we got tricked into wasting money by making the set better then fleet items. Then after spending real money nerf the set below fleet items.
    eiledon wrote: »
    lol so first get the shield nerfed.. and now the gun. wtg. you want us to bend over or prefer to do us standing up? pwe can go first, then cryptic, then whoever else fancies a free shot.

    can you get the set violent discharge to work please? and can we get some additional resist on the ev suit itself then? add extra to kinetic dmg resist and knockback resist due to being heavier in the armor. something to balance the set up again as it actually felt well balanced in play.
    yris3 wrote: »
    would be nice if all MK XII existing sets would be removed (and replaced with MK XI counterparts) from the server and players were given back 150 lobis per set, then they would decide if they want to buy the new MK XII set again.

    Because the changes make that set a brand new set, it has nothing in common with the one people spent their Lobis on in good faith.
    And your customers are not responsible for your QA/testing failure.

    i agree with all these fine people and i would like to take it a step further.

    this game is not the game i paid for over the past 2 years. i would like full refund/compensation for the 1000$'s of dollars ive spent in this game.

    i await my refund check.
  • bosslightbosslight Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    webdeath wrote: »
    Indeed.. lol

    i know P2W is pay to win but i haven't seen it typed in months (don't ask where i've been) and i actually spent about 30 seconds wondering wtf perfect 2 world was supposed to mean XD

    coincidence PW = P2W???
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