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New KDF Fleetships Too Expensive

degalusmedivandegalusmedivan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Klingon Discussion
I postet this in a other Threat but i think we Klingons should talk about it too.

From the Klingon Point of View .... its a disaster...
1. NO KDF Fleet Ship can get under 4 moduls because none of them was a t5 (20 euro) ship
2. we paid 15 euro for the c store KDF Ships they come to the Fleet Ship System and we should pay 20 again to get the Fleet Version? and the only excuse is that they are no t5 c store ship? Are they Serious?
3. 20 euro for a none accountwide, none console ship is a big nogo but hey! They see that it works with much higher prices. Lockboxships are nonaccountwide too and mostly way over 30 euros (have a 280 euro jem hadar) so we see the new way of STO.
Where is my Fleet Brel or Siege Destroyer? where i only need 1 modul? Feds got Intrepit, Defiant, Galaxy, Akira, Nebula and hey the OP Armitage...
Letz hope thats upcoming ships are not Fleetships ... i dont pay for non accountwide ships anymore after my Jem hadar disaster.

Maybe a revamp(after start lol) of the discount would help:
They want to sell a t5 ship for 25 euro (20 ground version 5 upgrade)
So they can make a 15 euro ship upgradeable for 10 euro (15 + 10 = 25) for ships u already have. Its still a high price but way smoother to take ...
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    maddog0000doommaddog0000doom Member Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I postet this in a other Threat but i think we Klingons should talk about it too.

    From the Klingon Point of View .... its a disaster...
    1. NO KDF Fleet Ship can get under 4 moduls because none of them was a t5 (20 euro) ship
    2. we paid 16 euro for the c store KDF Ships they come to the Fleet Ship System and we should pay 20 again to get the Fleet Version? and the only excuse is that they are no t5 c store ship? Are they Serious?
    3. 20 euro for a none accountwide, none console ship is a big nogo but hey! They see that it works with much higher prices. Lockboxships are nonaccountwide too and mostly way over 30 euros (have a 280 euro jem hadar) so we see the new way of STO.
    Where is my Fleet Brel or Siege Destroyer? where i only need 1 modul? Feds got Intrepit, Defiant, Galaxy, Akira, and hey the OP Armitage...
    Letz hope thats upcoming ships are not Fleetships ... i dont pay for non accountwide ships anymore after my Jem hadar disaster.

    Maybe a revamp(after start lol) of the discount would help:
    They want to sell a t5 ship for 25 euro (20 ground version 5 upgrade)
    So they can make a 16 euro ship upgradeable for 10 euro (16 + 10 = 26) for ships u already have. Its still a high price but way smoother to take ...

    just dont buy them then if no ones buys em the prices will drop win win.

    ps. where is my kar'fi fleet/retro ship
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    majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Fleet ships are a waste of time, a waste of money and are a massive rip off to cryptic customers. I'd rather buy a lock-box ship off the exchange than buy a fleet ship. I'd never thought I would say this, bring on the next lock-box ship.
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    burstdragon323burstdragon323 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    ^^ I agree. We got shafted pretty bad, as usual. The Feds have plenty of options, but we are forced to buy the special item.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Fleet ships are a waste of time, a waste of money and are a massive rip off to cryptic customers. I'd rather buy a lock-box ship off the exchange than buy a fleet ship. I'd never thought I would say this, bring on the next lock-box ship.

    Be careful of what you're asking for. Alot of bad precedence has been set in the last few months, and Season 6 is the real kicker now.
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    lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I could've sworn I saw a fleet garumba refit in the shipyard, and at 4 refit tokens wasn't a bad deal.

    Still lookin at the fleet Qin, but the Somraw is almost it's equal now but twice the refit tokens. Gonna buy a couple refit tokens but will probably live with my current Qin unless something DRASTIC come out of the ship pipeline.
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    tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,638 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The Fleet Ship Module is tradable, so you don't have to pay real money for any of them. Since the EC Exchange is a bit borked right now, you have to search under 'Data Samples' to find them (~10 Mil each currently, but I'm sure that'll drop).
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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited July 2012
    I have noticed if you own a C-Store ship it only needs 1 Fleet thingy.

    And since the two ships I fly are the Garumba and Qin, I think I won't be buying any. I have plans for a Kar'fi and it might be possible to use the Tor'kaht as DPS Cruiser (I have a Vor'Cha that's more for my amusement than serious play).
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    toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I have noticed if you own a C-Store ship it only needs 1 Fleet thingy.
    Just to clarify, You only need 1 fleet module if you're buying a fleet ship you already own a C-Store Tier 5 version.

    And for now, as the OP stated, there are no fleet ships that would have a Tier 5 C-Store counterpart on the KDF side. So they'll all require 4 fleet modules.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
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    krell83stokrell83sto Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Profit Margin

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    dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited July 2012
    toiva wrote: »
    Just to clarify, You only need 1 fleet module if you're buying a fleet ship you already own a C-Store Tier 5 version.

    And for now, as the OP stated, there are no fleet ships that would have a Tier 5 C-Store counterpart on the KDF side. So they'll all require 4 fleet modules.

    Yeah re-reading the thread today I noticed my Mistake.
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    quiiliitiilaquiiliitiila Member Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Ps. Where Is My Kar'fi Fleet/retro Ship

    ^^this!^^^

    Where's My Fleet Karfi!
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,827 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Its all about the money...seems like everything they release now is about making money. Hell even the Jem'Hadar episodes were released with intent of capitalising on the sales of the Delta Quadrant Doff pack and DS9 Bridge pack.

    Even if all of us in this thread don't spend a dime on the fleet retrofits they still are gonna rake in the dough with people who will.

    We aren't going to see many if any updates to the Klingon Empire because of money...thats all that matter.
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    betayuyabetayuya Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    problem also, T1 crusers are trash to Vor'Cha Battle Cruser Retrofit (take a look) my free ship win KILL a T1 and this is brigadier general (free ship) not lieutenant general T1...
    is there something wrong with this picture? ok, there was some python, c++ and then wait, there was addition lol :D T1 is offensive and yes would be VERY easy to raise the roof standards on these ships, in fact even a 1 trillion hull ship could come up at a future lvl 150 very easily lol

    and PWE / Criptic wrote it, why? :confused:
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    tetonicatetonica Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Hang on. So if I'm understanding this right, if I want a fleet retro vor'cha I need to grind the assets for the tier 2 shipyard, spend a crapload of dilithium and STILL have to fork out 20$? PER CHARACTER?
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    bumbleduckbumbleduck Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    All this problem is because Cryptic bypassed most of the T5 Klingon C-Store ships.

    They also bypassed the attractive mid-tier C-Store Klingon ships too.

    What we are left with is a bunch of very ugly ships that you have to spend 2000 zen unlocking for EACH character.

    I wonder why anyone would bother?
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tetonica wrote: »
    Hang on. So if I'm understanding this right, if I want a fleet retro vor'cha I need to grind the assets for the tier 2 shipyard, spend a crapload of dilithium and STILL have to fork out 20$? PER CHARACTER?

    Yes, I believe that is how it works.

    Sad isn't it?
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    tetonicatetonica Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Yes, I believe that is how it works.

    Sad isn't it?

    All I have to say to them is: lolol eat nuts.

    That's hilarious beyond belief. That's a worse cash grab than Eve's failed foray into "microtransactions" and borders on insulting. I've felt dumb enough just buying those hideously expensive ships out of the c-store but took comfort that at least they were unlocked for every character on the faction. This is, frankly, borderline insulting to our intelligence.
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    betayuyabetayuya Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tetonica wrote: »
    borderline insulting to our intelligence.

    can't agree more i am VERY insulted with some of these ships, and not truly the need for fleet ship moduals, that shouldn't be these anyway, more insulted by the lvl36 ships being sold at lvl 50 tire... wtf, waiting for S6 to launch i went to Second Life and thought i'd "roll up" up a bridge lol, since then it is almost a full cruser :D and free roughly lol, i sould make it launch green and pink cubes all over the place IMing "STO insults intellect" to nearest sensed target lol
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    bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Sadly I would like to get the Raptor, Hegh'ta upgrade and the Vor'cha but damn, $60 is a lot to spend for something thats only linked to one toon.

    It almost feels like buying illegal things from a underhanded provider. The first time is great but every other time will cost you more.
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    bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Sadly I would like to get the Raptor, Hegh'ta upgrade and the Vor'cha but damn, $60 is a lot to spend for something thats only linked to one toon.

    I would agree. I wouldn't shell out $20 for a fleet retrofit either. I feel sorry for the folks that bought FSM's without really understanding how they work.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    yeah... I've got a big WTF rolling around in my brain right now...
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    majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Personally I'd rather buy a lock box ship off the exchange than shell out the cash for a Fleet Ship.
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    bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    At which point Cryptic will tally the sales, or lack thereof, from the overpriced, kick-in-the-groin, multiple FSM requiring KDF ships and exclaim: See no one bought them! KDF playerbase is at *pulls number out of TRIBBLE* 11%!

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    degalusmedivandegalusmedivan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Maybe a solution is to sell the moduls for a ton of fleetcredits to avoid Dilithium grinding.
    Sure its grinding too but if i want to grind for the Fleetship i want use the new Fleetmission and not the STFs that we played feeled 1 million times.
    I realy hope they update the Fleetships that Klingons also get 1 modul ships, 5 euro upgradecosts are acceptable.
    Wishlist : Fleet B'rel , Fleet Kar'fi, Fleet Guramba
    (i can live with 1x t5 one modul ship less then feds)

    ps.: i want a discount on my 10 (or 15? ever forget wich of the 2 is the fleet one) euro destroyer. full 20 euro for a ship i already buyed for 10 or 15 is ridicules


    I really want to know whether this work as intended, or that cryptic only had not enouth time to bring the t5 1 modul ships in game before launch S6. They are realy silent science launch (maybe because so many player would flame them?)
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    svetivanovasvetivanova Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Just keep checking the exchange. Last I checked, they were at 4mil each, but occasionally, someone will put a few up for less. Was able to grab 2 around midnight for 1.5mil each.
    But yes, there's no way in hell that I'm paying for those suckers with real money in order to get my fleet ships.
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    bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    bloctoad wrote: »
    At which point Cryptic will tally the sales, or lack thereof, from the overpriced, kick-in-the-groin, multiple FSM requiring KDF ships and exclaim: See no one bought them! KDF playerbase is at *pulls number out of TRIBBLE* 11%!

    One thing I have to say for Cryptic, they don't like throwing away assets.

    If something doesn't sell well, they put it on sale.

    If something sells really poorly, they bundle it in with something else that will sell better.

    I've never seen them outright adjust pricing on anything that I recall.

    If the stuff exists, they will find a way to sell it.


    Now, as I see it the main issue here is the lack of T-5 LG ships that have counterparts in the fleet stores. Otherwise, you could buy the C-Store version and then get the fleet version for another $5.

    So, what we really need are more T-5 LG ships that Cryptic can monetize.
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    betayuyabetayuya Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    this is a MATH conclusion

    never a higher fee base in STO, never "less for more" then it is now, to much to do, or one hand full of "hats" clogging up the contribution tabs unregulated, months to "sub equal" out the same gear and ships roughly, this is the doom bringer to STO, welcome to the end

    *whistle blows, crew salutes, and out the shoot it goes*

    i'll start chipping out a tombstone now, R.I.P STO
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    daharmasterklagdaharmasterklag Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I hope someone from Cryptic/PWE reads this because IMO the costs are ridiculous whether it is time invested grinding for resources or real money invested in order to get them. If it was an account wide unlock after purchase I might go for it, but per character... hell no. :mad:


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    eradicator84eradicator84 Member Posts: 1,116 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Fortunately I only have 1 toon for each faction, so I don't have to grind much but I can imagine the frustration of having to unlock it for multiple toons. Just not feasible.

    I have the cstore Dacoit, Corsair and Marauder yet I still need to buy 4 FSMs for the fleet corsair retrofit...
    Something wrong there.
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    degalusmedivandegalusmedivan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Quote of the Dev Blog #16
    "Fleet Ship Modules - Fleet Ship Modules can be purchased in the C-Store for ZEN and are needed to purchase all Fleet ships. Fleet ships typically cost 4 Fleet Ship Modules. However, if you already own the Tier 5 C-Store Version of a Fleet Ship, you will get a 75% Fleet Ship Module discount to purchase the Fleet version. For instance, the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier costs Fleet Credits and 4 Fleet Ship Modules, but if you already own the C-Store Heavy Escort Carrier, the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier will only cost Fleet Credits and ONE (1) Fleet Ship Module."

    So only T5 cstore ships get the discount = klingons have no T5 cstore ships in the Fleet system = No discount for klingons
    Why klingons dont get the same like the feds? ... there is no excuse here. They cant tell me that it is too expensiv to make this silly little fleet material skin for 3 ships...
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