T1=more like second chance ships, but make due tire, there is turning to the cruisers, but man, i'll fly a wingless bathtub for some more hull and shield modifyer rofl ...
Overload and blow up the Twitter accounts of every Cryptic employee until the FSM faction prejudice is changed or they go into hiding.
Jack Emmert: "Starfleet and Klingon. ... So two factions, full PvE content." Al Rivera hates Klingons Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert All cloaks should be canon.
If you actually look, what choices for t5 do we really have?
Of the ships deemed t5 by cost we have:
B'rel retrofit, not going to get a fleet version as the advanced battle cloak is not a console.
Guramba Siege Destroyer, another we will not get a fleet version of as the javelin beam and siege mode are built into the ship, not a console.
Kar'Fi Battle Carrier, I think they badly dropped the ball on this one, and many people have been asking for a fleet version, none of their reasons given cover the omission of this ship as a fleet variant.
And that there is our t5 choices for KDF.
Maybe they will add the Kar'Fi at a later date, maybe they won't, not going to hold my breath on that one tho.
A while ago all fed shipskills was build in skills. They change them later to consols so thats not an excuse.
Its more a lak of interest in spending time for klings.
And i dont think the adv. battlecloak is op. I dont have any Torp that realy doing some serious dmg while the target have shields to use the torpfirecloak.
Also battlecloaking in fight often kills a bop if he doesnt make it out of range like a defiant.
Attacks like Torps hit a bop after battlecloaking on naked hull. They dont lose they targets even if they battlecloak. I'm die often enougth after cloaking.
And yea u are right that we not have realy many choises, because we dont have that amount of ships what the feds have. What again shows that klingon have a lak of development here.
But now back to topic :
We Klingons have no discount and fed have 5 thats a fact and that is outrageous.
I have nearly all ships of c store ( - 2 kships and -3 fships ) and they want 20 euro from me for buying a ship i already have buyed with real money only because im Kling.
... but its in the game and dont will be corrected..
My last hope for a little fairness are our t5 klingon ships for fleetversion
The Fleet Ship Module is tradable, so you don't have to pay real money for any of them. Since the EC Exchange is a bit borked right now, you have to search under 'Data Samples' to find them (~10 Mil each currently, but I'm sure that'll drop).
While this is true... you do NOT, in fact, have to pay any real money for any of this... the only other alternative is...to literally spend SEVERAL MONTHS straight grinding. I dont know about you...but to someone like me who cant spend 24 hours a day in this game..those "several months" of grinding translate into well over a year for me.
While this is true... you do NOT, in fact, have to pay any real money for any of this... the only other alternative is...to literally spend SEVERAL MONTHS straight grinding. I dont know about you...but to someone like me who cant spend 24 hours a day in this game..those "several months" of grinding translate into well over a year for me.
Well over a year..... in which time a new set of must have ships will most likely be up for purchase....or some such. I would not mind the buying of the kodules for $20 bucks if they unlocked the ship for all my toons on the account instead of a single toon.
It actually gets even more absurd... the K'Tinga Retrofit (YAYYYY) is 200,000 Fleet Credits. Okay, fair enough... I can get the Creds without spending a penny. Thank you, STO! But, once I have it, the Fleet K'Tinga Retrofit is another 20,000 Creds and $20 worth of modules... not for an actual ship, mind you, all you really get for the extra is the same ship with 3,000 more hull points and an extra console. :P... $20 for 3,000 more hull points and an extra console?!!?
But as one poster pointed out... don't buy it. Ultimately I can't blame either Cryptic or PWE as much as we gamers, ourselves, should be held to blame. If someone is standing on a street corner with a sign on them that says, "Please come fleece me for all I have" you can't blame those who take 'em at their word heheheheh. If people are THAT anxious to give away their money why blame the person who's just as anxious to take it?
What I realized, immediately, is that 3,000 hull points and an extra console slot aren't a "make or break", "Gotta Have" item. The lack of same is hardly going to ruin your gaming experience and the basic K'Tinga Retrofit can be got for no money out of pocket and only normal grinding (actually you can get the fleet version for no money... just grind yer little behind off). So, in the long run, the folks that spend their money to get these things either have money enough to not care or else are foolish enough to deserve to be fleeced. In either case what's wrong with PWE and Cryptic soaking up the gravy that such folks love to slop around?
Heck, when that rich Uncle I don't know I have finally leaves me his millions I might slop a little gravy around myself
In the meantime PWE and Cryptic have actually done a pretty damn good job of creating a game that CAN be enjoyed fully with not a penny spent... while creating a really nice, steady source of revenue to pay the folks for doing that job...
Now, if they could just finish shaking all the "bugs" out... where's Scotty when ya need him??
*STO*Its mission: To destroy strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations... and then kill them, to boldly annihilate what no one has annihilated before!
Truelly absurd is that just a month ago I lost a debate over the Qin and Heghta where T4ships but many said they where in fact T5 because they where a Generals ship choice.
Got to love the double standard.....
The sad thing in this problem is that, if we boycot the fleetships with not buying. We lose also...
They waiting only for a chance to say klingons not more worth to develop and here is the chance. Create a good content and make it for the unloved klingons hard to get. The buystatistics will drop the players change to fed because they get more for the money and bam, a excuse for no development a Fraction.
I see dark times comming for Klingons... darker as before
The sad thing in this problem is that, if we boycot the fleetships with not buying. We lose also...
They waiting only for a chance to say klingons not more worth to develop and here is the chance. Create a good content and make it for the unloved klingons hard to get. The buystatistics will drop the players change to fed because they get more for the money and bam, a excuse for no development a Fraction.
I see dark times comming for Klingons... darker as before
If only there existed some evidence that even the non-hard core KDF fans wan't better KDF factional gameplay...
Hey,
I recently became a Vice Admiral on the Federation Fraction, and i decided to begin playing the Klingon Fraction but didn't find it as interesting as the Federation side was.[/
If only something was being said about this in the forums.....
I'm just sticking with the account wide unlock ships for the time being as those work perfectly fine in elite STF's and PvP and don't require me spending EC or real $$$ on fleet modules...
We have a Fed Sisterfleet and often when i talk about the status of klingons they say something like " Klingons have battlecloak and from the lore they make not realy a progress in technology so what u want? " and if i talk about some unfairness ala perigrins history of klingons under cryptic they mostly say " change to fed " .... are they maybe right? are we damned to end as Fed? Is the only good way to be a fed because they get all they need or want? ...
I realy hope they will bring the KDF T5 Ships to Fleetsystem ... like i sayed before : i will not buy any of the 4 moduls fleetships
We have a Fed Sisterfleet and often when i talk about the status of klingons they say something like " Klingons have battlecloak and from the lore they make not realy a progress in technology so what u want? "
Your fleeties are narrow minded in my opinion. Even Kirk pointed out that barabrians do not have star Empires. To base the scientific progression of the KDF on the TV and movies alone is silly and short sighted on thier part.
and if i talk about some unfairness ala perigrins history of klingons under cryptic they mostly say " change to fed " ....
and they appear to be self-centered as well if they do not think the IP has more to offer than fed pandering. Many types of fans exist in the IP, from Klingon, Orion, Romulans and even Borg. To put any fans value over another is to short change and tell part of the fanbase they do matter.
SO much for UFP acceptance and tolerance, it seems.
Thx bitemepwe dont know why but your posts give me every time a good feeling to be klingon. And shame on me that i dont remind your old forum nick but i remind your Avatar *is realy unique*, im realy liked to read your posts. ^^
My "fleeties" often too fed oriented but i like them ^^ sure i often run vs a wall if i try to talk about the Klingons but they are good peoples at all. So im not too strong with them even if they dont see the suppression of the Klingons.
Thx bitemepwe dont know why but your posts give me every time a good feeling to be klingon. And shame on me that i dont remind your old forum nick but i remind your Avatar *is realy unique*, im realy liked to read your posts. ^^
My "fleeties" often too fed oriented but i like them ^^ sure i often run vs a wall if i try to talk about the Klingons but they are good peoples at all. So im not too strong with them even if they dont see the suppression of the Klingons.
Why it's the venerable 'Roach' of course!
Jack Emmert: "Starfleet and Klingon. ... So two factions, full PvE content." Al Rivera hates Klingons Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert All cloaks should be canon.
Thx bitemepwe dont know why but your posts give me every time a good feeling to be klingon. And shame on me that i dont remind your old forum nick but i remind your Avatar *is realy unique*, im realy liked to read your posts. ^^
My "fleeties" often too fed oriented but i like them ^^ sure i often run vs a wall if i try to talk about the Klingons but they are good peoples at all. So im not too strong with them even if they dont see the suppression of the Klingons.
They like many fans may be good people in real life ( I know many hardcore fedfans I like as people) but they seem to think that Star Trek as a MMO setting only has one story to offer the fanbase.
As a MMO it has the ability to offer all fans of Star Trek a place to enjoy that which made them fans and its sad that so many nice people let thier egoes keep them from seeing the possibilities that STO has with in it.
Star Trek and the stories that it told would be a damned sight less attractive if not for the Klingons, the Romulans, The Cardassians, the Ferengi, The Orions, the Gorn, etc etc.
The conflicts brought by these aliens races brought as much life to Star trek as Star Fleet members sitting around a discussing thier everyday lifes on board the respective vessels they where a part of.
TOS and TNG would have been boring as dried targ flop without the Conflict brought by the Klingons, the Romulans and the Borg, to name a few. Many fans of those races now exist because of the impact they made on the stories.
DS9 would have made little sense without the Bajorans and the myriad of other aliens that it saw in almost every episode and the conflict they brought.
Voyager would died on its first season if all we ever saw was the crew and nothing else.
In the TV shows and Movies, time makes it in possible to enjoy anything but the focus of the medium it is, Star Fleet, if the producers wish to tell a story in limited time allowed.
STO does not have that restriction and in here, in this rendition of Star trek, even the odd fan that likes the KLingons, Gorn or whatever can hope to see thier fandom given a life that may not exist anywhere else in the franchise.
Its becuase of that reasoning I say that the KDF and even the Romulans and any faction that may come behind them deserve the same level of devotion from the Devs.
Only here can we hope to see Star Trek for more than it is and I find it shameful that so many fans wish to just keep it for the federation, as if the IP exist only for them and them alone.
Your fleeties are narrow minded in my opinion. Even Kirk pointed out that barabrians do not have star Empires. To base the scientific progression of the KDF on the TV and movies alone is silly and short sighted on thier part.
and they appear to be self-centered as well if they do not think the IP has more to offer than fed pandering. Many types of fans exist in the IP, from Klingon, Orion, Romulans and even Borg. To put any fans value over another is to short change and tell part of the fanbase they do matter.
SO much for UFP acceptance and tolerance, it seems.
I would agree, so many of them are so spoilt and stuck up that it makes playing a Federation not as fun as a Klingon Officer. In one thread they asked for suggestions for a VOY bundle I and a Federation only player suggested that it needs something for the KDF and I was harassed by one particular member who didn't even create the thread and he started to resort to slight name calling to prove his point. All I was after was something new for the KDF.
I goes to show they just want, want, want and don't want the KDF to get anything. Federation Fan Boy's are want is going to ruin this game for us all I think.
The Funny thing is, in nearly every Borg Encounter when I am on my KDF I am carrying the Feddies, they die, have no organisation etc. I find this true for a lot of STF's where a KDF player will rally the unorganised Fleeters and get them going. I don't like to put labels on things or divide teams but to me most KDF players seem to be better all round players in communication and actual play than most Fleeters. ANd we're the ones who are scorned, treated like targ droppings on the forums, perhaps some jealousy plays a part in it.
Thx bitemepwe dont know why but your posts give me every time a good feeling to be klingon. And shame on me that i dont remind your old forum nick but i remind your Avatar *is realy unique*, im realy liked to read your posts. ^^
Indeed Roach's posts seems to pick up my spirits too, Qa'pla to the Empire!
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
Thx bitemepwe dont know why but your posts give me every time a good feeling to be klingon. And shame on me that i dont remind your old forum nick but i remind your Avatar *is realy unique*, im realy liked to read your posts.
Indeed Roach's posts seems to pick up my spirits too, Qa'pla to the Empire!
Thank you both.
I try my best to help keep the spirit of the KDF alive, though I've posted many an anger filled anti-fed posts that I am none to proud of in the past.
It just rankles my ridges to see posts that only consider one fandom and discounts the other as unworthy.
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Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
*quote of last patch : The Fleet Advanced Escort now has discount applied if you purchased the Multivector Advanced Escort. *
So its now Federation: Defiant - Galaxy - Intrepit - Armitage - Multivector with discount
vs
Klingons : no discount
If we hear a excuse from the devs for this disaster in any near future or they only say again "Klingons not worth to develop" ?
Of the ships deemed t5 by cost we have:
B'rel retrofit, not going to get a fleet version as the advanced battle cloak is not a console.
Guramba Siege Destroyer, another we will not get a fleet version of as the javelin beam and siege mode are built into the ship, not a console.
Kar'Fi Battle Carrier, I think they badly dropped the ball on this one, and many people have been asking for a fleet version, none of their reasons given cover the omission of this ship as a fleet variant.
And that there is our t5 choices for KDF.
Maybe they will add the Kar'Fi at a later date, maybe they won't, not going to hold my breath on that one tho.
Its more a lak of interest in spending time for klings.
And i dont think the adv. battlecloak is op. I dont have any Torp that realy doing some serious dmg while the target have shields to use the torpfirecloak.
Also battlecloaking in fight often kills a bop if he doesnt make it out of range like a defiant.
Attacks like Torps hit a bop after battlecloaking on naked hull. They dont lose they targets even if they battlecloak. I'm die often enougth after cloaking.
And yea u are right that we not have realy many choises, because we dont have that amount of ships what the feds have. What again shows that klingon have a lak of development here.
But now back to topic :
We Klingons have no discount and fed have 5 thats a fact and that is outrageous.
I have nearly all ships of c store ( - 2 kships and -3 fships ) and they want 20 euro from me for buying a ship i already have buyed with real money only because im Kling.
... but its in the game and dont will be corrected..
My last hope for a little fairness are our t5 klingon ships for fleetversion
While this is true... you do NOT, in fact, have to pay any real money for any of this... the only other alternative is...to literally spend SEVERAL MONTHS straight grinding. I dont know about you...but to someone like me who cant spend 24 hours a day in this game..those "several months" of grinding translate into well over a year for me.
Yeah, that's right.
Well over a year..... in which time a new set of must have ships will most likely be up for purchase....or some such. I would not mind the buying of the kodules for $20 bucks if they unlocked the ship for all my toons on the account instead of a single toon.
R.I.P
But as one poster pointed out... don't buy it. Ultimately I can't blame either Cryptic or PWE as much as we gamers, ourselves, should be held to blame. If someone is standing on a street corner with a sign on them that says, "Please come fleece me for all I have" you can't blame those who take 'em at their word heheheheh. If people are THAT anxious to give away their money why blame the person who's just as anxious to take it?
What I realized, immediately, is that 3,000 hull points and an extra console slot aren't a "make or break", "Gotta Have" item. The lack of same is hardly going to ruin your gaming experience and the basic K'Tinga Retrofit can be got for no money out of pocket and only normal grinding (actually you can get the fleet version for no money... just grind yer little behind off). So, in the long run, the folks that spend their money to get these things either have money enough to not care or else are foolish enough to deserve to be fleeced. In either case what's wrong with PWE and Cryptic soaking up the gravy that such folks love to slop around?
Heck, when that rich Uncle I don't know I have finally leaves me his millions I might slop a little gravy around myself
In the meantime PWE and Cryptic have actually done a pretty damn good job of creating a game that CAN be enjoyed fully with not a penny spent... while creating a really nice, steady source of revenue to pay the folks for doing that job...
Now, if they could just finish shaking all the "bugs" out... where's Scotty when ya need him??
Got to love the double standard.....
R.I.P
They waiting only for a chance to say klingons not more worth to develop and here is the chance. Create a good content and make it for the unloved klingons hard to get. The buystatistics will drop the players change to fed because they get more for the money and bam, a excuse for no development a Fraction.
I see dark times comming for Klingons... darker as before
If only there existed some evidence that even the non-hard core KDF fans wan't better KDF factional gameplay...
R.I.P
I realy hope they will bring the KDF T5 Ships to Fleetsystem ... like i sayed before : i will not buy any of the 4 moduls fleetships
R.I.P
My "fleeties" often too fed oriented but i like them ^^ sure i often run vs a wall if i try to talk about the Klingons but they are good peoples at all. So im not too strong with them even if they dont see the suppression of the Klingons.
Why it's the venerable 'Roach' of course!
Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
They like many fans may be good people in real life ( I know many hardcore fedfans I like as people) but they seem to think that Star Trek as a MMO setting only has one story to offer the fanbase.
As a MMO it has the ability to offer all fans of Star Trek a place to enjoy that which made them fans and its sad that so many nice people let thier egoes keep them from seeing the possibilities that STO has with in it.
Star Trek and the stories that it told would be a damned sight less attractive if not for the Klingons, the Romulans, The Cardassians, the Ferengi, The Orions, the Gorn, etc etc.
The conflicts brought by these aliens races brought as much life to Star trek as Star Fleet members sitting around a discussing thier everyday lifes on board the respective vessels they where a part of.
TOS and TNG would have been boring as dried targ flop without the Conflict brought by the Klingons, the Romulans and the Borg, to name a few. Many fans of those races now exist because of the impact they made on the stories.
DS9 would have made little sense without the Bajorans and the myriad of other aliens that it saw in almost every episode and the conflict they brought.
Voyager would died on its first season if all we ever saw was the crew and nothing else.
In the TV shows and Movies, time makes it in possible to enjoy anything but the focus of the medium it is, Star Fleet, if the producers wish to tell a story in limited time allowed.
STO does not have that restriction and in here, in this rendition of Star trek, even the odd fan that likes the KLingons, Gorn or whatever can hope to see thier fandom given a life that may not exist anywhere else in the franchise.
Its becuase of that reasoning I say that the KDF and even the Romulans and any faction that may come behind them deserve the same level of devotion from the Devs.
Only here can we hope to see Star Trek for more than it is and I find it shameful that so many fans wish to just keep it for the federation, as if the IP exist only for them and them alone.
R.I.P
I would agree, so many of them are so spoilt and stuck up that it makes playing a Federation not as fun as a Klingon Officer. In one thread they asked for suggestions for a VOY bundle I and a Federation only player suggested that it needs something for the KDF and I was harassed by one particular member who didn't even create the thread and he started to resort to slight name calling to prove his point. All I was after was something new for the KDF.
I goes to show they just want, want, want and don't want the KDF to get anything. Federation Fan Boy's are want is going to ruin this game for us all I think.
The Funny thing is, in nearly every Borg Encounter when I am on my KDF I am carrying the Feddies, they die, have no organisation etc. I find this true for a lot of STF's where a KDF player will rally the unorganised Fleeters and get them going. I don't like to put labels on things or divide teams but to me most KDF players seem to be better all round players in communication and actual play than most Fleeters. ANd we're the ones who are scorned, treated like targ droppings on the forums, perhaps some jealousy plays a part in it.
Indeed Roach's posts seems to pick up my spirits too, Qa'pla to the Empire!
R.I.P