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Can something be done with this console? is not fun play with 16 or 24 plasmonic leeach stacked on you (and even more if the kdf team is a premade).. half of klingons in pvp have that stupid console
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a possible solution for you:
1. get on a team.
2. carry team batteries
3. bring some subnukes, extends, and some spike damage.
4. focus on the same target.
have fun kill bad guys
horizon
1. not a solution
2. replace one OP with another OP, no thx
3. I'm tactical
4. ????
make sure you are spec'd into insulators and electro plasma and what not, whatever may counter the drain. maybe even throw in an extra EPS console for good measure. and use your batteries.
also, having a team is definetly a solution to the other guys running TRIBBLE you dont like. if you are bringing the damage, then find an extends and a nuke to start hanging out with.
teamwork trumps gear in most, if not all situations.
pandas do not use AMS, but we counter it by running sci teams. think along those lines.
have fun kill bad guys
horizon
p.s. i was actually tring to help. whats up with all the snide attitudes flaring up again in the forums lately?
what is wrong with my answer? i used the same structure as you, a numbered list lol
I never asked how to counter, ofc than teamwork works, is the key for win, but that have nothing to do with the unbalance of the console. Any other skill/consumale that gives u boost to energy/power transfer rate/insulators will help, but that is not the point.
My post is about the balance of the console, nothing less, nothing more, i never asked how to counter (or try to counter...), anyway all your solutions have a weak point, i was running my dkora: Electroplasma on 6 and a EPS Flow MK XII purple, and PI on 6 (+plus deflector bonus to PI),and my power was still drained in an insane way, and i usually use batteries for other things (shield bat. for shield proc, weapons bat. for BO, etc..and they only boost 1 system - with a significant CD-)
And teamwork with SCI team? ok, i can say to u the same about AMS then..
It could be argued that MACO counters it but MACO has a cap and doesn't improve with more people attacking.
like hale just said "Coupled with any one of the other drains, like the Assimilators, it is especially painful"
i doubt it will be changed anytime soon, and sometimes its easier to pick your poison, and antidote.
q up for klingons...be prepared to counter their weapons
q up for feds....same.
i queue up for fvk all the time and never even notice the thing unless some carrier is jacking you up with assimilators. running epts and eptw is also a solid counter. but in the end, if a 5 man klingon team wants to beat you through power drain, they will do so by running this. you can either q up and try to beat them at their own game (this is what i like to do) or you can throw yourself into the buzzsaw to get tore up by not being prepared.
Too much of anything is a bad thing. But to be fair,
I've been running into my fair share of
1.) Entire teams spamming AMS. Premades are my favourite culprits because they understand team dynamics + v.chat, and therefore fire them off in series and not parallel, making it virtually impossible to play.
2.) Danube swarm.
The sword swings both ways...
I would really love to see ALL these issues addressed, not just some to appease the majority.
The last thing we need is for silence to be mistaken for contentment.
I don't think they'll really fix this, but here are my ideas how to address this - two different options
All Console Powers become special Bridge Officer Powers. The console turns into a somewhat irregular console that boosts some skills, and that also gives you the power to "train" the old skill to a Bridge Officer. The powers could be rebalanced a bit for becoming BO. Very powerful ones become higher rank powers, weaker ones become low rank BO powers. Thanks to the ability to actually train in the skill, the cooldowns of some powers would get lower, but that's okay - they now cost you another BO power, and you can't actually do the abusive combinations anymore, or only at great cost.
Passive Powers like the Plasmonic Leech would become activated powers with a duration.
All Console Powers become Devices. That would boost the kind of powers available "on device", but it still puts on some strong limitations - and the old devices are not exactly useless, so people will miss some of the power.
and a huge f-no to this. tanks have 4 device slots. escourts have 2. why would an oddy lets say need bats when they can use theta, grave pules and ams?
Insulators hardly work against this. It works against 1, but not if its stacked multiple times. Kinda rethinking my respec because speccing into resistance is hardly worth it.
wasnt it cryptics infinate wisdom to specificly reduce the effectivness of the resist agaisnt this and a couple other power drain abilites?
Didn't seem to slow you down though, as you where killing quite well and often for the short two hours I saw you in Ker'rat.
You must've killed me at least 4 or 5 times alone.
Though I still say that the PL stacking is a bug as they where suppossed to fix it to have a cut-off on the drain the target takes even though the user can continue to reap the benefits.
So multiple players can use the PL and get a power bonus but the target can only be drained so far before it cut-offs and drains no further. We need a Dev to comment if this is working right.
Thats because those lazy pandas had me trying (rather unsuccessfully) to heal them. Ok well not really I didn't do much but when I was there with them, there was some serious PL stacking going on the klink side.
Right now PL is just broke, theres no reason PL should be giving such huge returns in power levels OR able to get stacked so high draining a target that much from a single passive effect.
Just getting over +20 to a SINGLE power level from a passive console would be pretty insane, but this is a flat across the board to all power levels kinda thing.
Then you have to consider the target/s are also losing nearly as much power themselves...
The reason PI seems ineffectual is because PI reduces the effect of drains... How exactly does it reduce 1 into something else? Will start giving you fractional power loss? The thing with Leech is that you are literally getting 20+ seperate drain effects for like 1 power drain, meaning PI's big drain resist is mostly ineffectual.
They just need to cap the stacks to like 5, regardless of how much or how many are using it. The user can only gain 5 power (across the board) max. The target can only be drained 5 (across the board) max.
That is still a +10 towards the user, for nothing more than a passive console and even that is pretty great.
It was fun though! Imagine if me and MT weren't sucked dry..... The carnage we could have caused
Yea it really is a bad joke. ran into a kdf premade running 3 carriers full of siphon drones and atleast 4 or 5 of them were runing leach as well. really not much you can do about it
But then I saw what happens on the flip side where you have mutliple people with Plasmonic Leech being run.. and not just Plasmonic Leech.. but other things to.. for example:
2 Carriers running lolarons + Advanced Siphon Drones + Tyken's Rift
2 BoPs running Lolarons and Scatter volley/Rapid Fire
1 Cruiser running Lolarons + Faw..
Then it starts to become a problem.
Of course each of those listed items don't cause problems on their own.. but stacked together like this it causes more headaches then you might expect.
Now I'm not "Crying for Nerfs" but I do feel that perhaps something needs to be checked into at some point, not just with Plasmonc Leech, but with anything concerning 5 Man teams that could be considered abusive if not near Broken applications when used in such a way.
Say AWWWW
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And that it was, ty as well roach, thats why u dont leave the game like that you naz noob. wait for starbases and the such we will make new hax kkthxchnk.
Its suppossed to cut off at 15 stacks period, on a single target regardless of number of attackers using PL on said target.
Hey Devs, any word on wether this console is working correctly or not?
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It's also not fun to have multiple tractor beams chained on you now that the Fed carriers are running those stoopid shuttles. The state of PvP becomes ever more exasperating.
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Except you know, "I can do NOTHING" is alot different than "I cannot move" (in there respective worst case scenario's).
Spec into dampeners and you can shurg off a tb or two.
Spec into insulators and it does NOTHING against leech because its 24+ different applications of an effect so a % resist does NOTHING worth mentioning.
Oh yeah you can actually blow up shuttles.
Oh yeah you can actually use your own shuttles such as siphon pods or orion interceptors.
P ****ING S, orion interceptors offline engines AND weapons, I'd rather be tractored than be spammed with constant offlines.