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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Silverspar wrote: »
    Well going by a comparison side by side of the Odyssey versus the Sovereign (default look) of 685 meters, and seeing the Odyssey is roughly a 3rd longer, that would put the over all length of the Odyssey class around 911 meters, give or take. My guess.

    I came up with 1037m or 1090m depending on which your comparing it to, Sovereign or Galaxy. Here is a thread I did with visual comparison and a request to hopefully get some "Official" information on the ships length. Given that the Sovvy and Galaxy are close but not actually correctly scaled to each other makes establishing a certain size more difficult.


    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=252671
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I'd also be interested in the official size of the vanguard class star cruiser. It's quite a bit longer than the avenger but falls 100-200m short of the odyssey.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The length of the ships don't determine the whole size of the ship. You need to revamp your chart or rename it a longest ship chart. The Galaxy Dreadnaught is the second largest ship to the Odyssey. It may not be as long as the star cruisers or Solvereign classes but it is far wider and taller than both, therefore giving it more volume and surface area. The more surface area, the larger the body. That would put the Galaxy X and regular Galaxy at second and 3rd place.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The length of the ships don't determine the whole size of the ship. You need to revamp your chart or rename it a longest ship chart. The Galaxy Dreadnaught is the second largest ship to the Odyssey. It may not be as long as the star cruisers or Solvereign classes but it is far wider and taller than both, therefore giving it more volume and surface area. The more surface area, the larger the body. That would put the Galaxy X and regular Galaxy at second and 3rd place.

    it would also put the klingon ships in an entirely different category as they have far more girth than the fed ships do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Skippy2k wrote: »
    I came up with 1037m or 1090m depending on which your comparing it to, Sovereign or Galaxy. Here is a thread I did with visual comparison and a request to hopefully get some "Official" information on the ships length. Given that the Sovvy and Galaxy are close but not actually correctly scaled to each other makes establishing a certain size more difficult.


    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=252671

    It was a nice attempt on your work there, but I have to say, having parked myself near a Galaxy and a Sovereign class for comparisons, your imagery there is a tad dubious.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Silverspar wrote: »
    It was a nice attempt on your work there, but I have to say, having parked myself near a Galaxy and a Sovereign class for comparisons, your imagery there is a tad dubious.

    Not sure what you mean? I positioned each on the same plane against the upper pylon and overlayed each image to size and establish the same scale.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    I have updated my ship chart with the Odyssey, and can confirm the estimate of around 1100 meters. I'll repeat here that my images were captured from a demo, with the ship at the exact same camera range each time, so the comparison should be absolutely precise. In fact, if the devs make their ships any bigger, I will have to change my camera distance, as the Odyssey almost didn't fit on the screen! :D As it was, the nacelles did go slightly over 1024 pixels, but I was able to overlap two images.

    Another complication is that the devs appear to use a scale formula which does not exactly relate in game coordinates to meters, smaller ships are scaled slightly larger in proportion so they will be easier to see. Not as much as shuttles, but there is a small "fudge factor". This is why the grid on the left side of the table doesn't actually match the one on the right. :D

    I realize that there are a lot of additional ships now, as well as the new Type 10 shuttle, however, all of the ships except for the Odyssey are merely reskins of the existing ships. Thus, while there may be a difference in length on the order of a half dozen meters or so, it is not enough to justify a whole new entry in the table. However, what I may do is put together a separate table or two (or four or five :D) that relates the various ship skin choices to each other.

    I may also add the Odyssey's saucer and escort, as well as the Galaxy's saucer, to the MVAM table, just to give it more variety.

    To Alexin Cobra, while I understand that listing the ships in order of length is not strictly in order of size, it does give a basic idea of the progression of smallest ship to largest, which is what the players want to see. Note that my table intentionally places the ships at a pronounced angle, so it is clear how wide each ship is, as well as how long. It is clear from the image of the Galaxy that while it is not longer than the Sovereign, it does likely have more mass.

    You may note from my revision history that I originally had the listing in order of mass. I found that too many people complained that they were not in order of length, however, insisting that I had put them in the wrong order. In addition, it is far more difficult to estimate overall mass of the ships, and that would make the table much too subject to opinion and guesswork.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    What's up with people perpetuating the 120 meter Defiant?

    The model was built to a scale of 170. There's a ton of stuff that only works if it's 170.

    The only reason to consider it smaller than 170 is if you're trying to vindicate the tech manuals somehow.

    And moreso than the other series, I don't think the people who did the tech manuals really had much say on DS9. I might listen to Drex and Okuda and company about TNG, Enterprise, or Voyager. DS9, the creative folks DELIBERATELY rejected tech advice and I think that means the tech folks aren't reliable authorities when it comes to DS9 aside from what they can tell us about the finished product.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    yogurt21 wrote:
    it would also put the klingon ships in an entirely different category as they have far more girth than the fed ships do.

    They already do. Look at the hull strengths they have compared to Fed ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    blayyde wrote:
    I have updated my ship chart with the Odyssey, and can confirm the estimate of around 1100 meters. I'll repeat here that my images were captured from a demo, with the ship at the exact same camera range each time, so the comparison should be absolutely precise. In fact, if the devs make their ships any bigger, I will have to change my camera distance, as the Odyssey almost didn't fit on the screen! :D As it was, the nacelles did go slightly over 1024 pixels, but I was able to overlap two images.

    Another complication is that the devs appear to use a scale formula which does not exactly relate in game coordinates to meters, smaller ships are scaled slightly larger in proportion so they will be easier to see. Not as much as shuttles, but there is a small "fudge factor". This is why the grid on the left side of the table doesn't actually match the one on the right. :D

    I realize that there are a lot of additional ships now, as well as the new Type 10 shuttle, however, all of the ships except for the Odyssey are merely reskins of the existing ships. Thus, while there may be a difference in length on the order of a half dozen meters or so, it is not enough to justify a whole new entry in the table. However, what I may do is put together a separate table or two (or four or five :D) that relates the various ship skin choices to each other.

    I may also add the Odyssey's saucer and escort, as well as the Galaxy's saucer, to the MVAM table, just to give it more variety.

    To Alexin Cobra, while I understand that listing the ships in order of length is not strictly in order of size, it does give a basic idea of the progression of smallest ship to largest, which is what the players want to see. Note that my table intentionally places the ships at a pronounced angle, so it is clear how wide each ship is, as well as how long. It is clear from the image of the Galaxy that while it is not longer than the Sovereign, it does likely have more mass.

    You may note from my revision history that I originally had the listing in order of mass. I found that too many people complained that they were not in order of length, however, insisting that I had put them in the wrong order. In addition, it is far more difficult to estimate overall mass of the ships, and that would make the table much too subject to opinion and guesswork.

    Point taken.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    I was wondering, where did you get the 850 meters for the Odyssey, versus the 1100 you found for ingame? Did they actually state the length somewhere? <_<.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    hmm, I guess it's too early for the Caitian carrier to be added. I'll have to check back later
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I'm just talking don't mine me:D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I wonder what the Atrox Carrier would look like on there?
  • danizpwedanizpwe Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Post for future edit: I will probably move the MVAM Chart here.

    Yea I really think they should have made real dimensions in game in fact everything is wrong size wise, ships, stations, planets and ofc space itself XD
  • helixsunbringerhelixsunbringer Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I can't speak for anyone else... but I would really like to see the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-J put on this chart... just for purposes of getting an idea of how these ships actually compare to the largest ship that we know of within Starfleet whether now or in the future.
    danizpwe wrote: »
    Yea I really think they should have made real dimensions in game in fact everything is wrong size wise, ships, stations, planets and ofc space itself XD

    You do of course realize the difficulties that would present themselves in making an MMORPG that is playable on conventional computers where very real relativistic speed models are needed just to get from one end of our own solar system to the other? Especially if you are building it around thousands of possible solar systems.
  • sjameshsjamesh Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Very Nice. I always thought one of these would be useful.
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  • blayydeblayyde Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I will be posting an update for the Atrox Carrier and other new ships soon. I'm not sure where I got the 850 meters for the Odyssey, but it may have been in the preliminary design notes posted at the time.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,270 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I guess you'll start a new thread then, right? You can't edit older posts in this thread.

    Btw, nice neat comparison sheets. :D
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  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    What's the point of this thread? Why is it stickied? :confused:

    Don't get me wrong: I agree 100% with the ship scales listed in this thread, but it's not like anyone in the art department is going to adjust them to make them correct. All this does is makes me irritated that simple, obvious faults that are easily adjusted - aren't.

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  • blayydeblayyde Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I have updated the Ship Chart with the Ferengi Marauder, Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, Galor Cruiser and Tholian Orb Weaver. In addition, I have also added the Heavy Escort Carrier alternate skin (Armitage) for the Heavy Escort. Unlike pretty much every other alternate skin in the game, this significantly alters the size of the ship, to the point where I felt it was important to include it.

    I also removed the Odyssey Cruiser, and created a separate chart, which shows it along with the Caitian Atrox, the Tholian Recluse, and the Tuffli Freighter. The ships at the bottom of the main Ship Chart are included for reference. If I hadn't done this, the chart would now be over 2500 pixels tall. :) Since I can't edit the post, I will post the link here and then start a new post.

    Federation Carrier Ship Chart

    If the mods here can unsticky this post and sticky the new one that might be helpful.

    As for why I made this chart: Well, the simple answer is, I got tired of people saying that this ship or that ship was bigger than some other ship, just based on visual impressions that are deceptive since the game view is centered on your ship. Since I was curious about whether (for instance) the Deep Space Science Vessel was bigger than the Reconnaissance Science Vessel (and I had someone tell me with absolute certainty that it was not) I decided to find out, and once I found out, I decided to share that information.

    It was not really my intention to point out the errors in the devs' scaling of the ships, although that is something that can be done with the data. For me, though, the bigger issue is how the ships compare to each other in the game. Most other charts, and even the ship vendor, tend to make the ships approximately the same size to show detail.
  • generaldiazgeneraldiaz Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    such a great thread. when-ish would it likely that we will see an update with the temporal ships in it?
  • ricadburricadbur Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Makes total sense.

    I really wish they'd scale the ships correctly.
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  • generaldiazgeneraldiaz Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    the shuttles were never scaled right, but being able to see how ships compare to each other in game is quite cool.
  • haldan1968haldan1968 Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Beautifully done! Thank you for all the hard work ! :)
  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Anyone know how the chimera falls in this? Thinking about picking one up on one of my characters but want to get an appropriately sized bridge to go with it.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,091 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2012
    Anyone know how the chimera falls in this? Thinking about picking one up on one of my characters but want to get an appropriately sized bridge to go with it.

    About the size of the Constitution.
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  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Thanks. I haven't seen many in game, might just be lucky though! I thought I'd see tons of them by ton.
  • tornshorntornshorn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Just need the Aquarius escort, the Odd, and now the Vesta.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    tornshorn wrote: »
    Just need the Aquarius escort, the Odd, and now the Vesta.

    According to the thread starter the original post can't be updated anymore, but he did create a new "sub-chart" featuring the Oddy, Catboat, Recluse, and Tuffli.

    Just roll back through the posts on this thread and look for it.
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