I'm really not sure that it would be beneficial for the unique styles of some of the species - including, but not limited to Orions - if they would become available to anyone. A distinctive look may very well stay part of the race.
Just my opinion, of course. I'm a big fan of unique differences - be it between the factions or individual species.
I haven't much to add, other than that I agree with Valias. Never much cared for having my Nausicaan walking around dressed like a Klingon before the racial costume options appeared, and I imagine I wouldn't be too crazy about seeing the reverse. Letheans maybe. The rest of you all just aren't ugly enough to make it work...
But I'm all for the Tril and other races getting some non-KDF uniform options of their ownl. And the Klingons getting a thing or two as well, that none of the non-Klingons get.
And the Klingons getting a thing or two as well, that none of the non-Klingons get.
That would indeed be sweet.
Ideally, every species sans the customized Aliens should have something special and unique. I'd even go so far as to seeing that as some sort of "racial feature".
LOL Let's be honest here, I am not ashamed that I am a dirty old man who loves the look of a sexy polygon or two. I would like MORE clothing options in GENERAL for the Klingon Faction... but if they made the Orion set a purchasable item in the C-store for OTHER races/factions... I wouldn't be sad to see that. Barring that... my damn KDF Alien hottie needs some serious skirt-age, PRONTO!
LOL Let's be honest here, I am not ashamed that I am a dirty old man who loves the look of a sexy polygon or two. I would like MORE clothing options in GENERAL for the Klingon Faction... but if they made the Orion set a purchasable item in the C-store for OTHER races/factions... I wouldn't be sad to see that. Barring that... my damn KDF Alien hottie needs some serious skirt-age, PRONTO!
Keep Orion clothing for Orions only. Cryptic could add more general clothing for the KDF races. Off-duty clothing could be a bit of a solution for this as is expanding the poor clothing options for the KDF in general. Right now the KDF is still getting the short end of the stick on visual content. I'm just wondering when we get CStore stuff and more generally released stuff as well.
IF Cryptic wants to balance the sides out equally they need to severely expand on the KDF side both on sectors and visual aspects. I am happy with the new Pi Canis missions but it still feels very underwhelmed compared to the Federation. Time will tell I suppose and STO is getting more and more population and it seems people are sticking around for a change. Hope we get to see a brighter future for both KDF (primarily) and the Federation.
I'm really not sure that it would be beneficial for the unique styles of some of the species - including, but not limited to Orions - if they would become available to anyone. A distinctive look may very well stay part of the race.
Just my opinion, of course. I'm a big fan of unique differences - be it between the factions or individual species.
It's clothing. It's not like it's passed down in their DNA. Species-limiting bits just means more work for less return, or in other words, less bothering to do anything KDF-related.
Do people want the KDF to even be a half-assed faction (since Cryptic has said outright it'll never get the full measure), or a quarter-assed faction with a few sixteenths tacked on?
While I would rather see the race-specific outfits kept for that race, I also see no problem with opening up these options for other races in the KDF. At the very least, give us MORE options in general.
It's clothing. It's not like it's passed down in their DNA.
Yup, but it's passed down with their culture.
Just because a lot of people don't care about having their characters keep a look that would actually fit doesn't mean I have to keep my mouth shut.
Really, look at what this "freedom" has done to ESD. I know it's ironic that the lack of customization made the KDF keep an appropriate look, but I much prefer that to the zoo it would become with "universal unlocks". I for one can do without 60% of the female characters wearing loincloths regardless of their species. Cheapens it for the Orions. Do you really want to see the Orions' only difference to the Klingons (or another species) being that their skin is green?
More or less. You can shove a targ in a Tux, doesn't mean it will ever fit right or look good.
What if the tux is fitted for that specific targ? And don't even get me started on how many HUMANS shove their damn pets in god-awful clothing. I know I'm going off on a tangent here, but I just had to comment on it.
What if the tux is fitted for that specific targ? And don't even get me started on how many HUMANS shove their damn pets in god-awful clothing. I know I'm going off on a tangent here, but I just had to comment on it.
Shenanigans. I have seen enough Pakleds, caitains and Tellarites running around in micro mini skirts bare midriffs . Please lets not open the KDF to the same level of tom foolery
Shenanigans. I have seen enough Pakleds, caitains and Tellarites running around in micro mini skirts bare midriffs . Please lets not open the KDF to the same level of tom foolery
Hey, I have a Pakled BO in a TOS mini-skirt. I remember when she didn't have any legs, too. :eek:
Now that I think about it, I agree with you. **shudders**
Really, look at what this "freedom" has done to ESD. I know it's ironic that the lack of customization made the KDF keep an appropriate look, but I much prefer that to the zoo it would become with "universal unlocks". I for one can do without 60% of the female characters wearing loincloths regardless of their species. Cheapens it for the Orions. Do you really want to see the Orions' only difference to the Klingons (or another species) being that their skin is green?
Currently, the Klingon faction still looks remotely like what we're used to from the shows. I see no need to change this. Indeed, I would prefer stagnation in that regard.
Orion outfits shouldn't be opened up to any canon race.
But they, and every other racial outfit, need to be available to for Aliengen.
I can't follow your logic. This would only result in even more Alien characters, including Aliens made to look like canon species just so their players can have them wear a bikini.
Usage of the Alien species generation should be disencouraged, not encouraged. The focus should always be on the canon cultures.
I can't follow your logic. This would only result in even more Alien characters, including Aliens made to look like canon species just so their players can have them wear a bikini.
Usage of the Alien species generation should be disencouraged, not encouraged. The focus should always be on the canon cultures.
I can't follow your logic either. Why should others' creativity be stifled just because some people might use it to create canon races?
Honestly I don't think anyone but min/max kiddies even bothers to attempt to recreate a canon race through that thing anyway. It's not harming the game at all, it's allowing me and others with such desires to make that Klingon/Orion hybrid and dress her properly, or outfit their hulking demon thing in Nausicaan blade armor.
I can't follow your logic either. Why should others' creativity be stifled just because some people might use it to create canon races?
I see it as harmful to the overall appearance of the faction and the uniqueness of the canon species. Why does everybody need to be able to do everything? Why must all things look the same?
Matter of preferences, I guess. I just don't want to see Qo'noS turn into ESD 2.0.
allowing me and others with such desires to make that Klingon/Orion hybrid and dress her properly, or outfit their hulking demon thing in Nausicaan blade armor.
Ordinary clothes would be just as appropriate. Do you want to play a certain kind of species, or a certain kind of clothes? The choice is yours.
Honestly, I do see your point, and I know how important clothes can be as part of a character concept. Were this some kind of private server with special DMs who would analyze player concepts and weigh their "suitability" against their potential "disturbance" of the setting, I'd be all for it. That's not the case, however, and given that it doesn't take much to see what kind of style such a change would result in here in STO I have to express my concerns in favor of my own immersion and enjoyment of the game.
I see it as harmful to the overall appearance of the faction and the uniqueness of the canon species. Why does everybody need to be able to do everything? Why must all things look the same?
Matter of preferences, I guess. I just don't want to see Qo'noS turn into ESD 2.0.
Oh. I was too broad, sorry. I didn't mean all parts for both factions. I'd prefer to see it faction-specific; KDF aliens would get only KDF outfits and alien parts, Feds would only get Fed outfits and alien parts. So you wouldn't have KDF Ferengi or Fed Nausicaans running around. Trust me, I don't want it that broad any more than you apparently do.
*edit begin* Geometry allowing, of course. Caitian ears, for example, would be a pain to get to morph right with aliengen head shaping. And I'm pretty sure the same it true of Nausicaan and Lethean tusks. *end edit*
Ordinary clothes would be just as appropriate. Do you want to play a certain kind of species, or a certain kind of clothes? The choice is yours.
Honestly, I do see your point, and I know how important clothes can be as part of a character concept. Were this some kind of private server with special DMs who would analyze player concepts and weigh their "suitability" against their potential "disturbance" of the setting, I'd be all for it. That's not the case, however, and given that it doesn't take much to see what kind of style such a change would result in here in STO I have to express my concerns in favor of my own immersion and enjoyment of the game.
Fair enough. I was always a wee bit more loose with my acceptance of immersion, I suppose.
Oh. I was too broad, sorry. I didn't mean all parts for both factions.
No, no, that wasn't how I understood it either - I suppose my comparison with ESD it to blame, and apologize for that. I was not as much referring to the exact look of the characters as to the feel that it results in. ESD has become a zoo, and that's something I fear would happen to Qo'noS as well if you allow everyone to wear everything - even if it's still limited to the faction.
There'd be a particularly huge inflation regarding Orion loincloths. To the chagrin of all Orion players, no doubt, seeing that the only unique feature left would be the green skin.
Fair enough. I was always a wee bit more loose with my acceptance of immersion, I suppose.
We all have our own spectrum of it.
It's not like I don't see your point, or am incapable of ignoring things that don't fit (otherwise I would not be playing my Fed anymore). It just gets tedious to see the atmosphere get "disturbed" by more and more of those "little things", so I'm glad for any relief - ironically, the limited amount of KDF customization makes the Klingon faction look pretty close to what I'm used from the shows.
You could say Qo'noS is currently like a resort for stressed canonists when compared to ESD.
I know you can find an excuse for virtually anything. That doesn't change how the faction will end up looking like.
Don't project your own hangups on me, please. The Orion I'm struggling to stand leveling KDF with doesn't even wear the bikini parts. By your logic, that should be disallowed.
And what makes the Nausicaan-only bits so special?
For that matter, this is the KDF we're dealing with. I can see (though I'd dearly wish to unsee) a cadre of brash young Klingon males looking at the Orion warriors and saying, "Pah! You go into battle wearing almost nothing? Well, fine, we're Klingons, we'll go outfight you naked!"
I can't follow your logic. This would only result in even more Alien characters, including Aliens made to look like canon species just so their players can have them wear a bikini.
Usage of the Alien species generation should be disencouraged, not encouraged. The focus should always be on the canon cultures.
What you're pointing out is a flaw (if it really is) in human nature, not the game.
And absurdly minimalist clothing abounds in Trek. If anything, there should be more options for it, not less.
And the various Aliens of the Week would probably like a chat with you in the back room.
Ordinary clothes would be just as appropriate. Do you want to play a certain kind of species, or a certain kind of clothes? The choice is yours.
Ordinary clothes by your definition. For a K/O hybrid raised mainly by the Orion parent, minimalist clothing would be the norm.
I personally have ONE orion female character... WITH the loincloth. Also every single BO on that ship is an Orion female... my ships name is the IKS Harem. Is THAT enough exploitation for you... no?
I also have 5 other characters, 3 of them Klingon, 2 feds... they are ALL aliens, ALL female, ALL sexy (Feds are dressed in MICRO mini skirts, and ENT mirror tops, with Thigh high boots) and at least half have long hot pink hair and big hoop earrings. They are all a sexy California golden brown tan, with F*** me red lipstick/makeup...
So AS a dirty old man, who has absolutely NO shame when it comes to character creation, and has ZERO problem with skimpy little mini skirt-ish costume options... I fully support the idea of MORE sexy clothes for KDF no matter WHAT they are. Hell, if there is a plaid skirt, and platform mary jane options... then I would be going with those. Oh man I loved City of Heroes...
hmmm i'd give all the uniform options to the "alien" races.
Why only the aliens, though? Wouldn't that be a little unfair to those who have opted for one of the canon races - which is already a self-imposed limitation in terms of customization?
Why only the aliens, though? Wouldn't that be a little unfair to those who have opted for one of the canon races - which is already a self-imposed limitation in terms of customization?
No reverse arguing, they will think you are on their side.
If you want to look like an Orion hooker then play an Orion and dress her like a hooker. You can be yet another one of the thousands already running around in metal harem gear. My guess is it is more a matter of not wanting to start a new character for this 'must have' outfit.
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Just my opinion, of course. I'm a big fan of unique differences - be it between the factions or individual species.
But I'm all for the Tril and other races getting some non-KDF uniform options of their ownl. And the Klingons getting a thing or two as well, that none of the non-Klingons get.
Ideally, every species sans the customized Aliens should have something special and unique. I'd even go so far as to seeing that as some sort of "racial feature".
LOL Let's be honest here, I am not ashamed that I am a dirty old man who loves the look of a sexy polygon or two. I would like MORE clothing options in GENERAL for the Klingon Faction... but if they made the Orion set a purchasable item in the C-store for OTHER races/factions... I wouldn't be sad to see that. Barring that... my damn KDF Alien hottie needs some serious skirt-age, PRONTO!
IF Cryptic wants to balance the sides out equally they need to severely expand on the KDF side both on sectors and visual aspects. I am happy with the new Pi Canis missions but it still feels very underwhelmed compared to the Federation. Time will tell I suppose and STO is getting more and more population and it seems people are sticking around for a change. Hope we get to see a brighter future for both KDF (primarily) and the Federation.
It's clothing. It's not like it's passed down in their DNA. Species-limiting bits just means more work for less return, or in other words, less bothering to do anything KDF-related.
Do people want the KDF to even be a half-assed faction (since Cryptic has said outright it'll never get the full measure), or a quarter-assed faction with a few sixteenths tacked on?
Make racial and faction clothing available for purchase to all characters.
Annnnd... booyah!
+1
Just because a lot of people don't care about having their characters keep a look that would actually fit doesn't mean I have to keep my mouth shut.
Really, look at what this "freedom" has done to ESD. I know it's ironic that the lack of customization made the KDF keep an appropriate look, but I much prefer that to the zoo it would become with "universal unlocks". I for one can do without 60% of the female characters wearing loincloths regardless of their species. Cheapens it for the Orions. Do you really want to see the Orions' only difference to the Klingons (or another species) being that their skin is green?
Bottom line: fun is subjective.
More or less. You can shove a targ in a Tux, doesn't mean it will ever fit right or look good.
What if the tux is fitted for that specific targ? And don't even get me started on how many HUMANS shove their damn pets in god-awful clothing. I know I'm going off on a tangent here, but I just had to comment on it.
Shenanigans. I have seen enough Pakleds, caitains and Tellarites running around in micro mini skirts bare midriffs . Please lets not open the KDF to the same level of tom foolery
Hey, I have a Pakled BO in a TOS mini-skirt. I remember when she didn't have any legs, too. :eek:
Now that I think about it, I agree with you. **shudders**
Hey, if a Targ can command a Klingon battlegroup, it should be damn well able to wear a tux
There are plenty of trivially simple and valid RP reasons to go beyond that limitation. Adoption tops the list but is by no means the end of it.
Hmmm.... yes. And I think Gene would agree.
But they, and every other racial outfit, need to be available to for Aliengen.
As sad as it is, sometimes you have to limit player creativity.
Currently, the Klingon faction still looks remotely like what we're used to from the shows. I see no need to change this. Indeed, I would prefer stagnation in that regard.
I can't follow your logic. This would only result in even more Alien characters, including Aliens made to look like canon species just so their players can have them wear a bikini.
Usage of the Alien species generation should be disencouraged, not encouraged. The focus should always be on the canon cultures.
I can't follow your logic either. Why should others' creativity be stifled just because some people might use it to create canon races?
Honestly I don't think anyone but min/max kiddies even bothers to attempt to recreate a canon race through that thing anyway. It's not harming the game at all, it's allowing me and others with such desires to make that Klingon/Orion hybrid and dress her properly, or outfit their hulking demon thing in Nausicaan blade armor.
I simply fail to see the problem.
Matter of preferences, I guess. I just don't want to see Qo'noS turn into ESD 2.0.
Ordinary clothes would be just as appropriate. Do you want to play a certain kind of species, or a certain kind of clothes? The choice is yours.
Honestly, I do see your point, and I know how important clothes can be as part of a character concept. Were this some kind of private server with special DMs who would analyze player concepts and weigh their "suitability" against their potential "disturbance" of the setting, I'd be all for it. That's not the case, however, and given that it doesn't take much to see what kind of style such a change would result in here in STO I have to express my concerns in favor of my own immersion and enjoyment of the game.
Oh. I was too broad, sorry. I didn't mean all parts for both factions. I'd prefer to see it faction-specific; KDF aliens would get only KDF outfits and alien parts, Feds would only get Fed outfits and alien parts. So you wouldn't have KDF Ferengi or Fed Nausicaans running around. Trust me, I don't want it that broad any more than you apparently do.
*edit begin* Geometry allowing, of course. Caitian ears, for example, would be a pain to get to morph right with aliengen head shaping. And I'm pretty sure the same it true of Nausicaan and Lethean tusks. *end edit*
Fair enough. I was always a wee bit more loose with my acceptance of immersion, I suppose.
There'd be a particularly huge inflation regarding Orion loincloths. To the chagrin of all Orion players, no doubt, seeing that the only unique feature left would be the green skin.
We all have our own spectrum of it.
It's not like I don't see your point, or am incapable of ignoring things that don't fit (otherwise I would not be playing my Fed anymore). It just gets tedious to see the atmosphere get "disturbed" by more and more of those "little things", so I'm glad for any relief - ironically, the limited amount of KDF customization makes the Klingon faction look pretty close to what I'm used from the shows.
You could say Qo'noS is currently like a resort for stressed canonists when compared to ESD.
Don't project your own hangups on me, please. The Orion I'm struggling to stand leveling KDF with doesn't even wear the bikini parts. By your logic, that should be disallowed.
And what makes the Nausicaan-only bits so special?
For that matter, this is the KDF we're dealing with. I can see (though I'd dearly wish to unsee) a cadre of brash young Klingon males looking at the Orion warriors and saying, "Pah! You go into battle wearing almost nothing? Well, fine, we're Klingons, we'll go outfight you naked!"
And no level of clothing customization would replicate that...
What you're pointing out is a flaw (if it really is) in human nature, not the game.
And absurdly minimalist clothing abounds in Trek. If anything, there should be more options for it, not less.
And the various Aliens of the Week would probably like a chat with you in the back room.
Ordinary clothes by your definition. For a K/O hybrid raised mainly by the Orion parent, minimalist clothing would be the norm.
I also have 5 other characters, 3 of them Klingon, 2 feds... they are ALL aliens, ALL female, ALL sexy (Feds are dressed in MICRO mini skirts, and ENT mirror tops, with Thigh high boots) and at least half have long hot pink hair and big hoop earrings. They are all a sexy California golden brown tan, with F*** me red lipstick/makeup...
So AS a dirty old man, who has absolutely NO shame when it comes to character creation, and has ZERO problem with skimpy little mini skirt-ish costume options... I fully support the idea of MORE sexy clothes for KDF no matter WHAT they are. Hell, if there is a plaid skirt, and platform mary jane options... then I would be going with those. Oh man I loved City of Heroes...
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What was I saying?
Traegersama: At least you're honest - with typical Klingon bluntness.
No reverse arguing, they will think you are on their side.
If you want to look like an Orion hooker then play an Orion and dress her like a hooker. You can be yet another one of the thousands already running around in metal harem gear. My guess is it is more a matter of not wanting to start a new character for this 'must have' outfit.