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Am I the only one who rages at the difference in quality of ship interiors?
The Klingons have glorious interiors while the feds wallow with poorly designed modular barns.
I mean look at them! The ship interiors for feds are the size of the smaller ships! The lounge is a dam hangar.
Why do the ceilings need to be so high? Why do the corridors need to accommodate heavy goods vehicles?
Why can't we have something that actually looks like a star trek ship interior?
And what is with all the dam plants? Seriously those are annoying.
Is there different design teams behind the fed and klink interiors because I think the feds are getting shafted here.
The Klingons have glorious interiors while the feds wallow with poorly designed modular barns.
I mean look at them! The ship interiors for feds are the size of the smaller ships! The lounge is a dam hangar.
Why do the ceilings need to be so high? Why do the corridors need to accommodate heavy goods vehicles?
Why can't we have something that actually looks like a star trek ship interior?
And what is with all the dam plants? Seriously those are annoying.
Is there different design teams behind the fed and klink interiors because I think the feds are getting shafted here.
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Seriously though, I hope Cryptic does do another pass on the interiors sometimes in the future. It is nice to have them in now, and i was thrilled when they came out. But like the other things in the game, i would like them to see them take the time to go all out on the interiors like they have been with the latest content they have been rolling out.
I don't expect it to be any time soon since they have lots on their plates for the next 6 months, but i will be happy when it does happen.
There are. Quite a few actually. The time travel arc for instance.
Ya, the problem is stuff breaks with the game engine when that happens. The engine and size levels were built around the idea of very customizable characters, and fairly large potential adversaries [See, Champions]. Camera angle was a portion of it, but it was more played up by the beta community than by the dev staff.
Klingon ships I think hold the benefit of not being as sleek, so it's easier to mask the height with excess piping
It's like accolades. They're not vital to the game, but they're something that helps give a sense of accomplishment and helps keep people committed.
The one problem is not that it can't be done but it is a right pain to do so. Best to keep it as it is as long as the game is still selling.
However if they did so scaling models isn't to large a problem in certain cases.
Not sure how it's done by Cryptics software but in GTK Radiant it was a simple matter of entering the scale.
The walls and doors though would each have to be scaled down by hand and textures realigned.
As I said not hard but a right pain in the rear end.
At the end of the day if it's a camera issue because some players like it fully zoomed out then it's just a case of get use to it being zoomed in more ! Plus the camera can be moved to any angle to compensate for this, I know I tried it.
Or make a first person toggle.
Wispers. I would love to see a proper TNG Galaxy Class interior WInk Wink.
Something is seriously wrong when the transporter room platform is almost as big as a galaxy class bridge.
It really does look stupid.
No....You are just the first one to start a thread in the last six hours.
Bah...totally forgot about that one.
Meh.. shouldn't be hard to do at all.
I've made game maps for Doom, Doom2, Duke Nukem, and Unreal Tournament 2003. Doom is downright easy. UT2k3 is significantly more complex as you get into light sources and such. STO's model looks like an in-between, at most... maybe even closer to the Doom side of the scale; easy.
It might also be similar to Elder Scrolls/Fallout3 content in which interiors are pre-modeled sections you scale, angle, and strap together--I highly suspect this given the number of recurring identical sections, and with how Genesis seemed to mass-create maps.
If it does indeed follow the ES/FO3 model, those sections just need to have their scale value dropped. If those sections have poor relation between things like light strips, etc., they may need to be reworked at the model layer, but even that's just a resizing job more than anything.
MMO players are nerds.
Star Trek fans are nerds.
Map makers are nerds.
Object modelers are nerds.
Chances are Cryptic could probably find a lot of help fixing this stuff from within the community.
You misunderstand m8 not hard as in hard to do, I mean a pain as in a bit of a chore to do, boring, they have more exiting things to get on with
Of course though I have a cunning plan.
Why not release the map editor to us mappers like you and me and let us make the interiors for them
Kinda freelancers
In fact that got me thinking. Is there Freelance work for level designers ? I mean you train at Uni fair enough. Afterwards though we have to look at places like Birmingham or other major cities and America. Surely there are companies that would hire a level maker that doesn't live in the States or near a games company ?
I've heard rumblings of player created content in the future. I'm not sure we'll have control of scale and such if it includes making maps for missions, but it might be a springboard for players to catch Cryptic's eye and maybe help them with some stuff.
And "pfft" to school. I've been programming since I was 8, working on MUDs and making maps at ~15, and went right into my programming career the night I graduated high school. =P
also we have a Sickbay, why do I need to visit Random NPC's when I get injured on Elite missions lol
That sounds a cool idea I know they want us to make our own content but if they included a level maker it would be alot better than just adding items that are already there, unless people want to of course
I agree with the school thing, at the place I worked at we found it alot better to train in house as apprentices. I went to Uni to study Graphics but I learnt alot more over 12 years in my job.
There is indeed a bit of an issue with the ship's interiors being scaled too large. The bridges look as though they've had improvements, but the rest of the ship, however, is scaled so high you could almost literally fly a shuttlecraft through them. I mean, the captain's ready room could fit inside the living area of their quarters; the sleeping area alone is more apt of how large their quarters should actually be.
Not recently, but more recent than this thread, I saw a video on how developers rescaled Deep Space Nine. They used actual plans from the show for the dimensions of the stations rooms and corridors. When finished, they invited actors from the show to visit it, and they marveled at how close the in-game station is to how their sets were. Surely there must be plans floating around showing the dimensions of the ship corridors and rooms, as well. If nothing else, you have Discovery to work with.
So, if the developers can put the effort and level of detail into redoing DS9, why not take that energy and apply it into rescaling the ship interiors to more closely match what would have been seen on the shows? I'm not even asking for the variety for the ships that you have with the bridges, just a "simple" size reduction. I also understand that develops may be busy trying to constantly provide content to cater to the player base, but surely an interior redesign could be worked into the schedules, couldn't it? It's not like it has to be done cross-platform (I know at least PS4 players don't even have access to anything other than the bridge and the ready room).
Should have stopped there and made a new thread.
Wow.
> Wow.
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The pics are fine. Are you running ad blocking extensions or other plugins that mess with page content?
I'm not sure what the ships were based on in general. Did they use ww2 or vietnam/korea era ships for inspiration or anything? Maybe there is some intended design logic to go off of.
The pics do not show in your post, they show in mine.
All I did was paste your links between the [ img] and [ /img] bookends (without the space.)