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Save the Klingon Empire

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited September 2010 in Klingon Discussion
Dear Cryptic:

In my opinion, the Klingon Empire is in a state of hemorrhagic shock.
And while there is some gauze on the worst wounds, this patient is still dying.
I just can't sit by any longer and not say something about this.

I am and have been a Feddy-bear since the beginning, and no, I don't PvP...

Why, you may ask?
Because there's no compelling reason for me to, that's why. Marks of Honor just don't do it for me.
Territory control? Risk-type map with constantly changing battle-lines based on player action?
Well, now that would be a different matter completely.

Oh, goodness. Did I just suggest an MMO where player action influences the larger outcome of the meta-game? :eek:

Beyond that, I'm not going to belabor reasons why or give long-winded ideas on how to "fix" it. There have been hundreds of ideas that have been proposed by both active and former members, most who have now long departed for other games out of frustration.

You didn't listen to them then, but I certainly hope for all our sakes you begin to listen now.

Give Klingons a compelling reason to play the game and they will come. This will give Federation players a reason to play as well to balance them. In short, save the Empire and you will save the Federation.

My name is Ithaqua of the Knights Templar Fleet and I stand with all remaining members of the Empire.

SAVE THE KLINGONS - SAVE STO
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    ...furthermore, if anyone would like to copy that avatar and use it to show support I think that would be just awesome...
    :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    its not the klingon empire, its the klingon defence force. made up of more then one race. ok
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    its not the klingon empire, its the klingon defence force. made up of more then one race. ok

    /facepalm

    http://www.startrekonline.com/factions
    wrote:
    The Klingon Empire is a playable faction in Star Trek Online. It’s comprised of the Klingon Defense Force, the Gorn Hegemony, and the Nausicaan and Orion civilizations.

    We're certainly getting off to a rough start, aren't we?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    It's only rough when you want to see it that way.
    Your list of races you want to save is either ambigious or incomplete.
    And since many of us like at least one of the races that were added to the "Klingon side",
    in my case it's the Gorn, we want them saved too.
    That's all.:)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Ithaqua wrote:
    /facepalm

    http://www.startrekonline.com/factions


    We're certainly getting off to a rough start, aren't we?

    read your quote again, the klingon empire and the klingon defence force are what, the klingon empire is the main part fo the kdf but the kdf is made up by who.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    read your quote again, the klingon empire and the klingon defence force are what, the klingon empire is the main part fo the kdf but the kdf is made up by who.

    The Klingon Empire is name of the faction, comprised of the KDF along with the other species. His quote is taken straight from Cryptic's faction page.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    read your quote again, the klingon empire and the klingon defence force are what, the klingon empire is the main part fo the kdf but the kdf is made up by who.
    No, the Gorn, the Orion and the Naucassian are now part of the Klingon Empire. That's why they were conquered. The KDF recruits from the Klingon Empire.

    Starfleet is to Federation as KDF is to Klingon Empire.
    Gorn is to KDF as Vulcan is to Starfleet.

    But how does this help save the discussion on saving the faction?

    That said... Cryptic is working on stuff. It's not there yet. Maybe the KDF will die on the operation table, or maybe it will be revived even after some doctors would have considered it clinically dead. We'll see.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    i dont know where you lot are reading this or even miss reading, the only ones conquered were the gorn, the nausicans and orions are allies through treaty, orions more through bribary to get them in the kdf. it doesnt even say about the other ones.


    The Orions, ah, the Orions make properly grateful allies. We gave them a planet and our protection, and they gave us beautiful women to serve our great houses.

    The Gorn, as well, make decent allies, once we defeated them and took over their Hegemony. They swore allegiance to us, so we allowed them their own government. Never say the Klingon Empire is not generous.

    The Nausicaans ally with us as well. They sense the coming battle. They know that the Klingon Empire cannot fail.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    i dont know where you lot are reading this or even miss reading, the only ones conquered were the gorn, the nausicans and orions are allies through treaty, orions more through bribary to get them in the kdf. it doesnt even say about the other ones.

    It's very simple. The page he linked is Cryptic's Factions page. You click on the Klingon icon, go down to the text next to the picture of the game's box, and it clearly states:

    "The Klingon Empire is a playable faction in Star Trek Online. It’s comprised of the Klingon Defense Force, the Gorn Hegemony, and the Nausicaan and Orion civilizations."

    So, you see, the KDF is a part of the Klingon Empire, not the other way around.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Fractal_Eye wrote:
    It's very simple. The page he linked is Cryptic's Factions page. You click on the Klingon icon, go down to the text next to the picture of the game's box, and it clearly states:

    "The Klingon Empire is a playable faction in Star Trek Online. It’s comprised of the Klingon Defense Force, the Gorn Hegemony, and the Nausicaan and Orion civilizations."

    So, you see, the KDF is a part of the Klingon Empire, not the other way around.

    the coloured parts of the post above yours is from the cryptic front page.

    ow and just for clarity.

    The Klingon Empire is a playable faction in Star Trek Online. It’s comprised of the Klingon Defense Force, the Gorn Hegemony, and the Nausicaan and Orion civilizations.

    http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&q=comprised&hl=en

    i know it says klingon empire but thats just lazy work by cryptic, we should never have been the klingon empire faction, we should have been the KDF from the start.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    read your quote again, the klingon empire and the klingon defence force are what, the klingon empire is the main part fo the kdf but the kdf is made up by who.
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    the coloured parts of the post above yours is from the cryptic front page.

    ow and just for clarity.

    The Klingon Empire is a playable faction in Star Trek Online. It’s comprised of the Klingon Defense Force, the Gorn Hegemony, and the Nausicaan and Orion civilizations.

    http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en|en&q=comprised&hl=en

    i know it says klingon empire but thats just lazy work by cryptic, we should never have been the klingon empire faction, we should have been the KDF from the start.

    Thanks for the link, I suppose, but I happen to know what the word comprise means. It seems you do not, however.

    The OP is saying he wants to save the Klingon Empire, which is the name of the faction. The Klingon Defense Force is a part of said faction. As MustrumRidcully pointed out, it's the same as Starfleet being a part of the United Federation of Planets.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    and thats why i say its lazy work by cryptic, tell me one time the nausicaans were conquered. they arnt, they arnt part of the klingon empire in any cannon, they are allies to the klingons and fall under the kdf like starfleet fall under the banner of the federation, its like calling the federation starfleet on the game and that the federation comes under starfleet.

    its one of the main reasons our content is shafted and cut off at the knee's because when they looked at our content stuff before it was always hmm whats klingon instead of ow whats KDF.

    infact what i think would be best for the kdf faction is a total overhaul from top to bottom, restructuring and balance of power spreading out, our own space areas being expanded into other factions within the kdf and maybe even branching to the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance from the mirror universe. yes the klingons should still be a main part of faction but a faction with less canon revolving around it so it can be created fresh and new for us.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    and thats why i say its lazy work by cryptic, tell me one time the nausicaans were conquered. they arnt, they arnt part of the klingon empire in any cannon, they are allies to the klingons and fall under the kdf like starfleet fall under the banner of the federation, its like calling the federation starfleet on the game and that the federation comes under starfleet.

    its one of the main reasons our content is shafted and cut off at the knee's because when they looked at our content stuff before it was always hmm whats klingon instead of ow whats KDF.

    Sigh.

    I'm not saying that the Nausicaans were conquered. I'm simply trying to explain to you that the KDF is a part of the Klingon Empire, and not the other way around. Here's a link for you:

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Klingon_Defense_Force

    First sentence on that page: "The Klingon Defense Forces (sometimes referred to as the Imperial Klingon Defense Forces) are the military branch of the Klingon Empire."

    It's really not that difficult of a concept to understand.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    it is the concept that is flawed.

    i know what your saying, and im saying its totaly stupid to have it set as that. its lazy and shody. only people who should go under the klingon empire from our side is the gorn. they had a total blank page to go from and all they did was put in the federation and then go right who are against the federation, well the klingons obivously, right they will be the main faction, who else. well there are orions sir and nausicans. we need another, i know lethean. what about romulans, no we can add them later as a c-store faction.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    i know what your saying, and im saying its totaly stupid to have it set as that. its lazy and shody. only people who should go under the klingon empire from our side is the gorn. they had a total blank page to go from and all they did was put in the federation and then go right who are against the federation, well the klingons obivously, right they will be the main faction, who else. well there are orions sir and nausicans. we need another, i know lethean. what about romulans, no we can add them later as a c-store faction.

    So, you're saying you would rather have Klingon and Gorn be the only two choices of species for the Klingon Empire faction?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    The OP is saying that Cryptic had better do something fast before the remaining Klingon players high tail it for greener pastures.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    it is the concept that is flawed.
    Tell that to the Startrek Writers. And maybe also the real world politicians.

    At least it makes sense that the Klingon Defense Force is part of the Klingon Empire. How could it be the other way around? Even in countries where the military controls everything, the military is still considered just one "arm" of the nation, not the nation itself.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    God talk about thread hijacking, you guys take the cake. the OP was showing support for our plight and all you can do is bicker about his choice of words. If this is the best the KDF has to offer it's no wonder were slowly dieing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Ithaqua wrote:


    My name is Ithaqua of the Knights Templar Fleet and I stand with all remaining members of the Empire.

    SAVE THE KLINGONS - SAVE STO

    Thank you for your support.:)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    right let me put it like this, in one to strek films a planet eploded and the klingons were going to go pop. so from this stance lets go forward.

    ill make u0p a alliance, lets call it dark age three.

    dark age three is made up of the old klingon empire nausicans and letheans plus joined trills, the klingon empire consists of the klingons and the gorn. also in this faction are the nausicans, orions and letheans. after the klingons lost part of there universe the orions moved in who could stand the radiation and covered under the protection of the klingons. the nausicaans accpeted the klingons into there space as they were very honourable warriors and saw the danger ahead. the gorn who had been defeated by the klingons now saw there option to be equal to the kdf, they shared there space with them and the klingons grew stong again. the letheans saw an option to join a great alliance. on stardate ###### the factions came together and agreed to create one allaince called the dark age three.

    new lore, new fix, works under old lore. the nausicanns spread there technology throughout the faction, the gorn shared the strength, the klingons kept honor the biggest part of the faction and the letheans showed them how to walk in the shadows. the joined trills iniltrated the federation for the war to come.

    the factions all ruled under one leader, the elected leader was the klingons as there space was the closest to the combat. now the war rages and the spys infiltrate. but the dark age three will work on and win no matter what.



    how much better is that then, your all klingons ons, love it or bugger off.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    MaQogh wrote:
    God talk about thread hijacking, you guys take the cake. the OP was showing support for our plight and all you can do is bicker about his choice of words. If this is the best the KDF has to offer it's no wonder were slowly dieing.

    It's all right. After everything and all the disappointment, there's bound to be raw nerves.
    Roach wrote: »
    Thank you for your support.:)

    Your welcome :)
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    ...how much better is that then, your all klingons ons, love it or bugger off.

    Dude, if you happen to agree that saving the Faction will save the game - you can call it whatever you like. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Ithaqua wrote:
    IDude, if you happen to agree that saving the Faction will save the game - you can call it whatever you like. ;)

    I'm all for saving the NSM (Nausicaan Spacefaring Marines) and my Klingon associates!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    im not disagreeing with the ops or agreeing with the op, pvp for some opve for other, everyone pays there subs, im just fking sick an tired of being called a fking KLING.

    IM NOT A KLING IM A NAUSICAAN AND WHEN IM FEELING NICE I PLAY AN ORION SO I CAN BLOW KISSES AT THE FEDS AND WATCH THE AUTOFIRE TAB TARGETS KICK THERE OWN HEADS IN

    blows steam...............
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    My bad.
    Be the best Nausican or Orion that you can be...

    Enjoy the game!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    I love this it's a post on saving the Klingon's and the Klingon's turn it into a argument , know wounder there are like 10 of ya left and cant get any love outta the devs. sorry for the negativity but this is sad.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    I think what's happend since Feburary is sad. Time to turn it around...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    it is the concept that is flawed.

    i know what your saying, and im saying its totaly stupid to have it set as that. its lazy and shody. only people who should go under the klingon empire from our side is the gorn. they had a total blank page to go from and all they did was put in the federation and then go right who are against the federation, well the klingons obivously, right they will be the main faction, who else. well there are orions sir and nausicans. we need another, i know lethean. what about romulans, no we can add them later as a c-store faction.

    I dont see Romulans anytime soon. Why? Because if they cant give us a fully complete Klingon experience what makes you think that they could give us a fully complete Romulan experience?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Ithaqua wrote:
    I think what's happend since Feburary is sad. Time to turn it around...

    Oh cheer up. You got my support, but not my avatar. :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    ShaneFrakes wrote:
    Oh cheer up. You got my support, but not my avatar. :p

    I wouldn't dream of depriving the forum community of that "pleasure"...

    Oh, and since nobody has commented on it yet...

    On top of the obvious fixes that need to be addressed for the Klingon Faction, please consider:

    TERRITORY CONTROL
    I know Cryptic can't just copy the Dynaverse concept from Starfleet Command.
    But for god-sake, isn't there some variation that wouldn't cause the lawyers to go crazy?

    Somewhere in between Psi Vellorum and Eta Eridani have a sector block that is PvP/PvE Territory Control.
    PvE aspect: Space combat. If there's no opposing team to fight, have it default to a deep space encounter. Win 3 rounds, same as a regular DSE, and get a 'control point'. PvP - i don't know - use a queue system or something... winning faction gets 10x control points.

    Get +50 control points for your faction and you get the system.

    Cryptic - please let's have another reason, something tangible and in-game, for the factions to play against each other. Something that requires a little strategy, a little planning. Encourages the meta-game and thereby increases player involvement and therefore will draw more people in...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Save the Klingon Empire or Watch Cryptic Burn?

    Choices, Choices....
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