This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
I actually thought the way that the Excelsior was released was a good idea.
I liked the fact that if you wanted to play the model ingame, you didn't have to pay the C-Store premium to get it. The only issue with that is that the RA version needs to have a way to acquire ingame, through emblems or EC or just some form of ingame currency.
Can we expect you to make a T3/T4 model of the Nebula for its up comming release?
Perhaps using the orignal nebula secondary hull and/or the oval mission pod?
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
One idea, might be to include the USS Phoenix-style Nebula Class (sensor variant), as a reward for reaching max level in the Diplomatic Corps.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
My idea would be for you to pick up the 'base' ship in game (the only sticking point on this would be the TOS Connie but maybe there is a way to get it in game outside the scope of this thought exercise) While holding onto the ship until you reach endgame(or purchasing it back at that point) and with the combination of 'refit' materials you can pick up throughout the game (maybe this would be a good point to add a functionality for a spacedock location?) OR else there can be en entire 'research' mission string you can do in order to get what you need in order to take a base model ship and upgrade it to the c-store equivalent.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
Have you considered offering a more equitable purchasing option for C-Store ships . . . say half price for unlocking on just one character?
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
Agreed. Making the T3 Excelsior available in game *is not* the same as making the T5 available. You could have at least made the Transwarp locations the same.
This is not only a half-step it's a total miss-step on your commitment to 1) Sell only cosmetic items and 2) The ability to earn *all* C-Store items via game play.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
Very, very good to hear! Excellent, thank you very much for this. Please let us know once more news becomes available about this. I think this is an excellent thing.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
Sounds good... so far.
I actually have no Problem with the Excelsior beeing a C-Store item.
But i have a problem with the pricetag 1200 C-Points? COME ON!
600 would have been easy to swallow but > 1000 is just greedy.
Agreed. Making the T3 Excelsior available in game *is not* the same as making the T5 available. You could have at least made the Transwarp locations the same.
This is not only a half-step it's a total miss-step on your commitment to 1) Sell only cosmetic items and 2) The ability to earn *all* C-Store items via game play.
Have you considered offering a more equitable purchasing option for C-Store ships . . . say half price for unlocking on just one character?
Man, crazy with the cheapness. This is a bad business idea - these folks aren't going to buy anything out of the C-Store if they can get it without paying. Some people live, eat, breathe, and sleep this game and will grind for it until its theirs.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
This will literally solve my #1 complaint with the game dstahl.
I haven't gotten a lifetime subscription yet but even if i do i will probably still pay for my monthly subscription because i want to see the game improve and that is how the devs get paid.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
Making it possible is enough, this kind of thing should be part of a quest system anyway. I would be happy as hell to even have it as a random drop of some kind like some of the ship blueprints in SWG. Since the crafting system is not capable of handling that kind of thing, at least not as of yet, there needs to be an alternative method until it can.
Out of curiosity, how many others out there have done what i've done: Well, since i had no idea there was going to be a sale starting today, yesterday i bought the Galaxy X Ship and Borg BO through the C-store, then i find out that they have a sale and i could have saved hundreds of Cryptic points.... anyone else ever do something like that, buy expensive stuff only to find out that it went on sale the next day?
I haven't gotten a lifetime subscription yet but even if i do i will probably still pay for my monthly subscription because i want to see the game improve and that is how the devs get paid.
You cannot have two different subs on one account. You paid your monies with a LT, no need to buy a monthly too. The Devs will still get paid. If you feel that passionate about it though, perhaps you could by a monthly sub as a gift for a good friend or loved one.
This has been heard loud and clear and Jack and I have been in some discussions this week where we continue to work on the deal that items in the C-Store need to be available for in game currency. (he and I both agree about big functional items being available for some type of in-game exchange)
The Excelsior was a half-step and now we need to put both feet in. I'm hoping the Nebula can be in game as well as in store. The in game way to get it might not be cake - but at least it will be something.
Dan,
Assuming you make this work, doesn't this defeat the arguments you previously made in that the C-Store was used to generate more content faster than what would occur otherwise?
I want to make this clear - I support this move as it was a promise made and yet unfulfilled 6+ months into launch. Just curious what would be the point of the c-store if i could get it in-game?
Assuming you make this work, doesn't this defeat the arguments you previously made in that the C-Store was used to generate more content faster than what would occur otherwise?
I want to make this clear - I support this move as it was a promise made and yet unfulfilled 6+ months into launch. Just curious what would be the point of the c-store if i could get it in-game?
Blak
Because there are inevitably a ton of lazy people with disposable income who will just buy it instead of having to grind?
This is the idea. It will be available to get in game, but, it will probably be a very long term goal for most players to get this item without spending C-points. If you want something *NOW* then you'll be able to get it on the C-store.
As we know more about what all the fine details are, we'll keep you up to date.
This is the idea. It will be available to get in game, but, it will probably be a very long term goal for most players to get this item without spending C-points. If you want something *NOW* then you'll be able to get it on the C-store.
As we know more about what all the fine details are, we'll keep you up to date.
Thanks,
Stormshade
I think this is a good compromise, it gives players who don't have to have it NOW a goal to work to. I do also hope that you guys will eventually make this retro-active to items already in the C-Store of the same flavor.
Assuming you make this work, doesn't this defeat the arguments you previously made in that the C-Store was used to generate more content faster than what would occur otherwise?
I want to make this clear - I support this move as it was a promise made and yet unfulfilled 6+ months into launch. Just curious what would be the point of the c-store if i could get it in-game?
Blak
As I understand it when the idea was first floated, the goal is to make it so that, to the feral Binars in Accounting, it comes out equal on the books regardless of if someone grinded in-game for it or bought it off the C-store. By 'grinded in-game,' it is such that the person spends a sufficient amount of time while paying a subscription to earn it. There is a sort of internal consistency: Basically, the item becomes two things, one or both to different people
o A carrot to induce someone, who isn't inclined to purchase it in the C-Store, to continue playing (and paying a subscription) for X1 amount of time, and then playing X2 amount of time enjoying their hard-won new ship; and
o A carrot to induce someone, who isn't inclined to grind for it, to purchase it in the C-Store.
Frankly, I see it as win-win-win. Folks who don't want to touch the C-Store can get a cool ship; folks who may have a bit more disposable income and not enough time to game can get a cool ship; and Accounting enjoys lots of black ink in their ledgers.
And Cryptic's devs get to finally put to rest something that's been a bugaboo for a good chunk of the playerbase since the game began, and don't have to worry about this being like a Sword of Damocles is hangingover their heads, and having the feeling that someone is gonna cut the thread.*
ETA: I mean "feral Binars" affectionately, not with malice. ^_^;;
* - Oh, woe is me... my life is a misey... oh, can't you see... that I'm at the start of a pretty big downer...!
I think this is a good compromise, it gives players who don't have to have it NOW a goal to work to. I do also hope that you guys will eventually make this retro-active to items already in the C-Store of the same flavor.
Yeah I like the entire concept. If we use the existing retrofits as a template: 500 emblems for another one but you can just buy in the C-Store if you want to we have a potential model for what it would be like. Increase the value of the Excelsior by some factor since it is a "better" ship or has some bells and whistles or whatever (1,000 emblems? Effectively double the grind?) and you've got something that works.
Cryptic still gets their precious moneygrab and lazy/casual players still get the doodads if they're willing to put out some quid for it while those of us who would like some long-term and difficult to earn goals have something to do.
By the way, if you complete the grind you should earn a special little something (like a title...and at least an accoalade!) just to show off that you completed the grind. Gotta be able to brag, right?
Assuming you make this work, doesn't this defeat the arguments you previously made in that the C-Store was used to generate more content faster than what would occur otherwise?
I want to make this clear - I support this move as it was a promise made and yet unfulfilled 6+ months into launch. Just curious what would be the point of the c-store if i could get it in-game?
Blak
The long and short of it is that any C-Store item available in-game will take longer to get and generate more subscription fees, eating up people's gametime. In that sense, you don't get it sooner and it pays the bills by forcing people to re-up for an extra month or two.
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I actually thought the way that the Excelsior was released was a good idea.
I liked the fact that if you wanted to play the model ingame, you didn't have to pay the C-Store premium to get it. The only issue with that is that the RA version needs to have a way to acquire ingame, through emblems or EC or just some form of ingame currency.
Can we expect you to make a T3/T4 model of the Nebula for its up comming release?
Perhaps using the orignal nebula secondary hull and/or the oval mission pod?
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nebula_class (shots all over this page)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/nebula1.htm (specifically here look at the phoenix model)
It depends on where in the world, it also depends on the store. Some have a no returns policy period (in the US as well).
One idea, might be to include the USS Phoenix-style Nebula Class (sensor variant), as a reward for reaching max level in the Diplomatic Corps.
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Have you considered offering a more equitable purchasing option for C-Store ships . . . say half price for unlocking on just one character?
Agreed. Making the T3 Excelsior available in game *is not* the same as making the T5 available. You could have at least made the Transwarp locations the same.
This is not only a half-step it's a total miss-step on your commitment to 1) Sell only cosmetic items and 2) The ability to earn *all* C-Store items via game play.
Very, very good to hear! Excellent, thank you very much for this. Please let us know once more news becomes available about this. I think this is an excellent thing.
Sounds good... so far.
I actually have no Problem with the Excelsior beeing a C-Store item.
But i have a problem with the pricetag 1200 C-Points? COME ON!
600 would have been easy to swallow but > 1000 is just greedy.
Yep. 100% dead on.
Man, crazy with the cheapness. This is a bad business idea - these folks aren't going to buy anything out of the C-Store if they can get it without paying. Some people live, eat, breathe, and sleep this game and will grind for it until its theirs.
This will literally solve my #1 complaint with the game dstahl.
I haven't gotten a lifetime subscription yet but even if i do i will probably still pay for my monthly subscription because i want to see the game improve and that is how the devs get paid.
Making it possible is enough, this kind of thing should be part of a quest system anyway. I would be happy as hell to even have it as a random drop of some kind like some of the ship blueprints in SWG. Since the crafting system is not capable of handling that kind of thing, at least not as of yet, there needs to be an alternative method until it can.
Happens at Macy's all the time
Thank you
You cannot have two different subs on one account. You paid your monies with a LT, no need to buy a monthly too. The Devs will still get paid. If you feel that passionate about it though, perhaps you could by a monthly sub as a gift for a good friend or loved one.
Dan,
Assuming you make this work, doesn't this defeat the arguments you previously made in that the C-Store was used to generate more content faster than what would occur otherwise?
I want to make this clear - I support this move as it was a promise made and yet unfulfilled 6+ months into launch. Just curious what would be the point of the c-store if i could get it in-game?
Blak
Because there are inevitably a ton of lazy people with disposable income who will just buy it instead of having to grind?
This is the idea. It will be available to get in game, but, it will probably be a very long term goal for most players to get this item without spending C-points. If you want something *NOW* then you'll be able to get it on the C-store.
As we know more about what all the fine details are, we'll keep you up to date.
Thanks,
Stormshade
I think this is a good compromise, it gives players who don't have to have it NOW a goal to work to. I do also hope that you guys will eventually make this retro-active to items already in the C-Store of the same flavor.
As I understand it when the idea was first floated, the goal is to make it so that, to the feral Binars in Accounting, it comes out equal on the books regardless of if someone grinded in-game for it or bought it off the C-store. By 'grinded in-game,' it is such that the person spends a sufficient amount of time while paying a subscription to earn it. There is a sort of internal consistency: Basically, the item becomes two things, one or both to different people
o A carrot to induce someone, who isn't inclined to purchase it in the C-Store, to continue playing (and paying a subscription) for X1 amount of time, and then playing X2 amount of time enjoying their hard-won new ship; and
o A carrot to induce someone, who isn't inclined to grind for it, to purchase it in the C-Store.
Frankly, I see it as win-win-win. Folks who don't want to touch the C-Store can get a cool ship; folks who may have a bit more disposable income and not enough time to game can get a cool ship; and Accounting enjoys lots of black ink in their ledgers.
And Cryptic's devs get to finally put to rest something that's been a bugaboo for a good chunk of the playerbase since the game began, and don't have to worry about this being like a Sword of Damocles is hangingover their heads, and having the feeling that someone is gonna cut the thread.*
ETA: I mean "feral Binars" affectionately, not with malice. ^_^;;
* - Oh, woe is me... my life is a misey... oh, can't you see... that I'm at the start of a pretty big downer...!
Yeah I like the entire concept. If we use the existing retrofits as a template: 500 emblems for another one but you can just buy in the C-Store if you want to we have a potential model for what it would be like. Increase the value of the Excelsior by some factor since it is a "better" ship or has some bells and whistles or whatever (1,000 emblems? Effectively double the grind?) and you've got something that works.
Cryptic still gets their precious moneygrab and lazy/casual players still get the doodads if they're willing to put out some quid for it while those of us who would like some long-term and difficult to earn goals have something to do.
By the way, if you complete the grind you should earn a special little something (like a title...and at least an accoalade!) just to show off that you completed the grind. Gotta be able to brag, right?
Actually, most people seem to find it a tad excessive, but the point is there's no reason one ship should cost more emblems than another ship.
The long and short of it is that any C-Store item available in-game will take longer to get and generate more subscription fees, eating up people's gametime. In that sense, you don't get it sooner and it pays the bills by forcing people to re-up for an extra month or two.