test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
No new factions until klingons "fully fleshed out"
System
Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
Found this little gem in the general discussion today:
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=2943158
Of course, "fully fleshed out" is certainly open to interpretation - I doubt we will ever see the ship or mission diversity that feds do. But it's still better than fearing a 3rd faction before klingons even have the basic stuff like crafting, diplomacy (harharhar) and whatnot we are missing.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?p=2943158
Season 3 will not contain a new faction (such as Romulans). We are holding off on adding a new faction until the Klingon faction has been fully fleshed out.
Of course, "fully fleshed out" is certainly open to interpretation - I doubt we will ever see the ship or mission diversity that feds do. But it's still better than fearing a 3rd faction before klingons even have the basic stuff like crafting, diplomacy (harharhar) and whatnot we are missing.
Post edited by Unknown User on
0
Comments
looks like the fed side got just as much as we did or more in fact so "Fully Fleshed Out" doesnt make my
heart go pitty patter Ill belive it when I see it...
Just contributing to the conversation -- I also want the Klingons fleshed out before they introduce a new faction....
But on the other hand, Cryptic is very responsive to player input -- and that is a good thing -- but right now there appears to be a growing tide in the forums of posts about introducing the Romulans...
The ironic thing is that there are probably more players that want to play Romulans than there are players who want to play Klingon, and so if they do introduce Romulans without THEM being fully developed, then the outcry will dwarf anything heard yet to date.....
Yeah they are very responsive if your not a PvPer or a Klingon.
The Ironic thing is they drove away the ones that wanted to play Klingons so you are probably correct there.
And so was the 45 day patch, and just about every other content patch. I'm suprised your still believing it
That being said, I hope we don't see Romulans for a long time still. I'd rather see Neutral Zone PvP or something like it first.
I dont hence the " Ill belive it when I see it "
But your right it seems to always be here it comes.....
But then its gone.
Fully agree. I stopped believing the devs when they shortly added Caitans because the Feds demanded, made a new Starship poll without even considering Klingons and added the Galaxy-X. Then they started development of 5 new ships for the Feds, where was stated that the 3 retrofits were nearly made overnight. Season 2, which was promised as large Klingon Patch, added only 8 missions, while the Feds got their entire diplomacy system etc. I
They were very good at driving away the players who really wanted to play Klingons from start. So when Romulans come out and are fully flashed out it will be the death nail to the Klingons. There are even so few players left.
Even if they add a ton of new Klingon content in season 3 what I think will bring the most to the faction is the UGC. Cryptic has some talented people and the season 2 missions they added for Klingons were great but the rabid fan base this faction has I can see some truly awsome Klingon content coming from it.
Cryptic wont be getting another penny from me until they put some decent content out for the klingons and PVP.
This new ship poll they are having just now - the way they handle their business, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a ship for the C-Store...
As what I've seen, Cryptic is incapable of adding out a ton of new Klingon content. Since the 45 day patch they were only able to to do 8 missions.
I agree with every word.....:(
Fleshed out to me would mean in-depth and thoroughly modeled Klingon content on par with Federation content up to this point first. Then and only then, do we accept the generic bi-faction content as contributing to the Klingon faction's development.
I cant accept the Feds with 30 ships and 20 seperate episodes(these are random values), plus 10 generic episodes. But the KDF gets 10 ships, 5 seperate episodes and the 10 generic, but we are supposed to see the 10 generic as a positive sign of KDF development. If sit anywhere below 2/3rds of the comparable content to the Feds, then something is wrong.
Well I look at it this way, we got 3 new PvE missions in this season. 2 of the 3 were excellently crafted towards the Klingon faction, the other one while a little generic was not as mind numbing as some of the things the Federation has.
Now that being said, I do not believe when they say "fleshed out" that we'll ever get what the Feds have, will we get half? Maybe, but probably not. If we continue to get 2 or 3 good episodes every couple of season, I can live with that. It could always be better, but it at least shows the effort.
What would be even better than new ships, and episodes is a reevaluation of our game play, adding in a new dedicated Science ship and reworking the Carrier to either be a real carrier or just calling it a Dreadnaught would help, as would looking at the purpose of PvP. These are the things I that would really make us a fully fleshed out faction, but they are the things I least expect to happen.
Hmmm...I can see 50% being reasonable for some things...ships for sure. But mission/episode content should be able to be 2/3rds. There shouldnt be as many limitations in creative story lines for the KDF.
But I'd be more than willing to forsake some PvE content for a PvP war model, both Fed vs KDF and KDF House vs House.
I'd like to see meaningful PvP, I just don't see it happening. Not something Cryptic is known for, that's why I'd settle for the PvE.
I couldnt justify the $15 a month for a weekend of PvE content a month.
Fair enough.
Your right there. If they wouldve put the effort they put into those couple of missions into meaningfull persistant open PvP zones then they wouldve added content both factions (and any added factions) for years not hours.
That is why I recently cancelled.
With the Klingons there is still so much possibility of adding content involving the Klingon side of the War with the Federation. For instance they could make the Klingon perspective of many of the missions in Regulus and Pi Canis space. Like you aiding B'vat in capturing Miral Paris. That way they save time making maps.
Player-Interactive-War (PvEvP): Type of single player PvP where one side has a mission that they have to accomplish and have a Klingon counterpart in trying to thrwart them. Which could be similar to a player-nemesis.
With the Klingon-Romulan Front, so much could be added there as well. For instance Khitomer. (Which Could be a zone for a 3-way faction PvP, when Romulans are added).
So much potential, but they need more manpower, else people are going to continue to hit the wall of boredom and leave.
That's not realistic. Atari is either pushing a Neverwinter Nights MMO through Cryptic (and thus this would be their special baby) ... or a Hogwarts Online MMO (which would cater to a fanbase that is possibly larger than Star Trek, as well as filled with a whole huge demographic of younger gamers). So it's either Atari's special baby, or Harry Potter. They're not going to shut either of those ideas down.
That math doesn't quite work out that evenly when human beings are involved.
While I myself have trouble dipping that far into cynicism ... I can still see the point. I think that the third faction (Romulans) will most likely be released at a time when a lot of KDF players will still be displeased with the state of their faction. That's just my gut feeling. I could be wrong. But I believe that is probably the gut feeling ... or at least fear ... that a lot of other players have as well.
they are intentionaly keeping klingon content low as an exuse not to expand the content of the game with a new faction and decent fed missions.ive been playing klingons forever,those old fleets, they dont want content
and they dont want new players, they just want pvp, and btw they are not star trek fans,
use any normal day of the week for a bug fix, heck use 3 or 4 for a major bug fix, but dont use the release of a new season for a bug fix, that just stupid and makes me think yet again cryptic wants this game to die so they can do something more profitable
Well, I can surely tell you thah they don't need to waste time adding another faction to the game, even if the Klingon side is 'fleshed out' or not...I think they should worry themselves about the state of the game. They should be asking themselves:
1. How stable is the game?
2. How can we get rid of the already apparent bugs?
3. How can we make sure that the game will NOT fry graphics cards? (good suggestions in multiple forums should help some)
4. What could we do to provide incentives to people that play the other sides? (After all...I rarely see people play the Klingon side whilst gaming...and even fewer are LT. Gen to do STF's with).
5. How can we make sure not to add loathseome content (i.e.: Kar'fi carrier) oto the Klingon side without asking as many players as we can first?
After they answer those questions, and get that finished...then, they can add another faction....If they add another faction before most of these are answered or finished, I would recommend dropping the game for something you would consider more worth-while.....
Fear of past performances is the largest concern, I would imagine.
As for dipping into the cynicism pool, Cryptic shouldn't have built one on the Klink side to tempt me so.
Yeah. I think the fear or concern is justified at this point. Well ... more than justified. lol.
Ah, my cynicism is building. That's for sure. I'm just not as frustrated yet. That's all. Getting there though.
I'm just mind-boggled by what happened to exploration in 2.0. Everything practically hinges on exploration. The VA 'endgame' for both sides is primarily exploration or PVP. Both were broken. Diplomacy is 99% exploration. 8 new missions. Exploration is broken big time for Diplomacy when 2.0 launches. Loot is empty from exploration. The KDF is PVP and/or Exploration. With ... heh ... 8 new missions. PVP and Exploration ... broken.
So much of the game is tied into the things that 2.0 broke.
I guess I'm not as upset yet because I'm still way back at step 1 ... shock. Complete and utter shock. To make all this new stuff, and then break the basic gameplay. And ... this long after ... it's still broken.