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Recently I was in a thread that quickly became a flaming troll war, before it was closed one of the posters gave me this fun little nugget of info from back in July of 2009 on the STO boards.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=23174
My main point is, what do ya'll think of the last bullet point? Has anyone been able to get the Connie or the Galaxy-X by playing the game? Try to state your opinion of Cryptic's handling but don't attack each other, keep it clean!
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=23174
Bill and I have both posted over on the Champions boards to respond to questions raised by microtransactions. I'll just reiterate what's already been copied and pasted from Bill's State of the Game address on Champions:
- The vast majority are aesthetic items, such as costume pieces, action figures, emblems, etc.
- A very few are account-level management tools, such as being able to rename a character
- Micro-transactions should never limit your ability to enjoy the game or reach the level cap
- Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play
These principles apply also to Star Trek.
My main point is, what do ya'll think of the last bullet point? Has anyone been able to get the Connie or the Galaxy-X by playing the game? Try to state your opinion of Cryptic's handling but don't attack each other, keep it clean!
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Yes, I have been able to play the constitution (TOS) without purchasing it in the C-store (although I do have to pick it up there.)
Dude, seriously, let it go
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well technically even playing a race only available from the c store has game effect ...not much but some... beside bridges and ship's skin and character management stuff...everything else should be able to be obtain playing the game.
unfortunately this policy has changed, now it s about getting something equivalent in game.
someone said earlier... if all the C store stuff were in game for free it would not make it a better game or having more content... true enough but the player base would be a bit more understanding and patient if the STO team has decided to add races, ships, "exclusive" item as a loot in game and saying... We (the STO team) knows that a lot of work needs to be done to get this game at full speed so in the mean time we are going to throw you as many perks as we can while we work on gameplay, missions etc...
My only explanation why not everyone is complaining about this C store issue is the average age of the STO players... more mature and more financially comfortable.... We have the mean to buy a $25 ship and other stuff from the C store. And i do don t get me wrong but i just find this very silly and insulting when the core game needs some real work. I guess a lot of people just don t bother questioning the STO team...it s just easier to let it go and play the game by spending a little extra cash. Looking at history... we ve come a long way by questioning and speaking up... and this is true in every country
Blitzy didn't say that it was earned through game play; only that he/she didn't have to buy it through the C-Store.
Also, http://a.imageshack.us/img262/1518/wherethisthreadgoing.jpg
My point was she paid for it, she bought the game and it came with it. My question was rhetorical, it says "Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play", the Connie doesn't fir this. It cannot be earned in game, only bought or with pre-order.
I think a better argument would have been with the Galaxy-X or any of the races they've been releasing.
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* Change the terms and conditions of this Agreement;
* Change the Game and/or Site, including eliminating or discontinuing any content thereon or feature thereof; or
* Change any fees or charges for use of the Service (as hereinafter defined).
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Actually, The Connie has scalable weapons, an extra Engineering Console slot, and better hull. These changes have a game effect, it makes your character have an easier time. Since it is not available through game play, it doesn't fit with what they said.
I know it is legal (unfortunately) but I still think it is wrong. I wanted to know what others thought as well.
Which is why WE reserve the right at any time to:
*Raise middle finger to C-Store and
*No longer purchase items from it
yep that is what we can do. LEAVE. well us subscribers at least.
They're an actual item. You get one fore and one aft phaser beam array. They shoot blue no matter which ship you put them on. And they scale up to your level. Currently they end up being an AMAZING choice on Tribble since they're better than purple Mk X in base damage since they scale up to Level 51 for you.
OW !
you poked me in the sore spot Dammit !
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alright do you want to know what's going down. you have these guys called accountants, and they say we need to make more money. then you have the devs who want the game to be good. But the accountants have some degree of control over the devs, and that is why were are getting this on the C-store.
But there is hope. there is a hero among the devs by the name of stahl. he has been fighting the accountants, and he has been trying to get a way for us to earn them in the game. ( the only problem is what every way you can earn it in the game is going to be hard, because he does have to keep the accountants happy ) Right now they are testing out a system where you have to earn 500 Emblems to earn the ships, and if the test works out then it will most likely applied to the other ships. while 500 emblems might be hard you would be able to earn it in the game.
So there is your answer. Accountants.
source go to dstahl's posts
Yup I bought the game
Probably has something to do with every other cruiser in the game, including the Retrofit Galaxy, being better than it.
Anyways, Stormshade and dstahl have already addressed this issue. This thread isn't ever going to do the heavy lifting of researching those statements. But rest assured ... folks who've been keeping up with current dev chatter know what their stance on this thread's topic is.
Since this thread can't force change in any noticable way ... the only thing left to do is standard internet forum posting behavior. Most of which, I'm pretty tired of. So you guys and gals have fun with that. Save the internet one post at time!
yes, but better versions are almost always available in game (they scale to the odd numbered levels from what I've seen)
Level cap increases to 51. The blue phasers are back! They make a great holdover until you can grind 180 emblems for Mk XI. And even those Mk XI's are just laterally better.
Sweet :eek:
I could have sworn that it was originally stated that items with potential game-altering effects would be able to be earned outside of the C-Store, not just necessarily in-game.
Really, this topic is starting to get out of hand. Most (at least half) of the items currently up on the C-Store can be gotten through alternative means. As far as I know, the pre-order and edition items can still be unlocked through their respective promotion. And until we know otherwise, the RAF is still in effect, which means that if you refer five friends and they pay for at least a one month sub...well, you can get the Galaxy-X for free.
The majority of the rest are either purely cosmetic or account management transactions, which would not fall under the category that you highlighted in red.
And, guess what? You don't NEED the items being sold to enjoy the game. If you don't like it, then don't purchase them. If only Cryptic would focus on actual in-game content rather than working on fluff for the C-Store...
How is it getting out of hand, everyone seems pretty calm and collected.
Btw, Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through playwas the main point. It doesn't say outside of the C-Store, it clearly says through play.
In this thread, yes, it seems pretty civil. I was referring to all of the threads that pop up in regards to the C-Store. And I've participated in most of the larger discussions, so you should know my stance on the store.
They have already "revised" that statement. If only i knew how to link. This topic was discussed before and dStahl responded multiple times to it.
I haven't participated in every discussion so I don't really know it.
I personally am opposed to any game changing things in the C-Store, but have no problem with cosmetic stuff.
Where?
Deja vu. lol
Mr.Stahl something doesn´t seem right - has comments from StormShade starting at page 33.
Memo to myself: i have to find out how to link stuff.