yeah, i forgot about them. more varried weapons would be cool too
I'd like to see more added to the game in updates and patches and less put in the C-store for which we have to pay extra.
It boggles me to see so many people asking for things to be added to the game and placed into the C-store instead of just added to the game in a patch or update for which we do not have to pay extra.
I would like for the C-store to show actual prices instead of C-points.
Since C-Points are only good for buying things in the C-Store and are basically an exchange of money for money, I'd like to do away with them entirely and just see my local currency next to what I'm buying so I know how much of my real life money I'm about to invest.
I feel that this may be an intentional way to separate us from our cash, since we are separating the purchases for the monetary exchange: Turning cash into points and then going back into the game to use the points. I feel that it is a way to make us disassociate what we are using as currency with the real world value of said currency so we don't realise how much we are actually spending.
I look forward to looking in the C-Store and seeing "Two additional BO slots: $2.50 - Account Wide"
That is just not going to happen. There is simply too much marketing research data supporting such a system from a consumerist perspective. Additionally I'm also willing to bet the system is what it is for legal reasons as well. Consequently I doubt things will change as there is no tangible upside for Cryptic for doing such a thing; at least that I can see.
That is just not going to happen. There is simply too much marketing research data supporting such a system from a consumerist perspective. Additionally I'm also willing to bet the system is what it is for legal reasons as well. Consequently I doubt things will change as there is no tangible upside for Cryptic for doing such a thing; at least that I can see.
Agreed, showing the real prices of what you'd buy would very possibly cause a drop in sales -- since the disconnect between cash = Cpoints is no longer there.
That is just not going to happen. There is simply too much marketing research data supporting such a system from a consumerist perspective. Additionally I'm also willing to bet the system is what it is for legal reasons as well. Consequently I doubt things will change as there is no tangible upside for Cryptic for doing such a thing; at least that I can see.
Yep, every arcade in the world knows about this as does Las Vegas and New Jersey. Tokens and chips are the basis of gambling in part because we have a specific idea of what money is and those ain't money.
Like I said, I disqualify myself from giving feedback on that price. You are probably way better equipped to give the feedback than I am. I totally fell for the price. And I know why. I wanted to get rid of those two no-names on my bridge.
The funniest thing about it? I travel my interiors on my ship on Tribble and they're everywhere! I even get no-names coming into my captain's quarters.
Joke was on me.
Well you have to expect a bunch of them on your ship when you walk around. Who else is going to get sucked out a quantum torpedo hull breaches in combat.
Though I would love to see them set up a way to change the standard uniforms for the NPCs on your ship.
Well you have to expect a bunch of them on your ship when you walk around. Who else is going to get sucked out a quantum torpedo hull breaches in combat.
Though I would love to see them set up a way to change the standard uniforms for the NPCs on your ship.
I'd like to see things like the Red Matter Capacitor, and the TR-116a Tactical Sniper Rifle sold in the C Store.
The C-Store should stay fluff, I don't see any way to charge for stuff like that with out making people think the game is going to turn into who ever buys the most wins.
The C-Store should stay fluff, I don't see any way to charge for stuff like that with out making people think the game is going to turn into who ever buys the most wins.
It has always been "who buys the most wins" the cstore just makes it cheaper for the rest of us that don't want to go out buying copy after copy of the game or alienating friends and family in an attempt to recruit them into STO.
I have no issue with most of the items and pricing in the C-Store.
Uniforms: I think they are reasonably priced. I have bought the ones that I wanted, and think that they should continue to add more.
Bridge Packs: I think the pricing is reasonable for these, as well, and hope that they will continue to put these out. I have purchased all of these, except for the Miranda pack. I think offering more bridges is a good step towards allowing us to customize our ships. It may also be helpful to give some more variation in the packs, other than just color and lighting. A couple of the packs offer different stations or onsoles, but not many. Mostly it is a carpet and lighting change. I would like to see some additional options for the bridges, like assigning stations for your BOs (but that is for another thread).
Emotes: This is one of the places that I think it's a waste. The emotes definitely should just be free, in-game. If they are going to sell them, I would suggest bundling them all together for one price. Again, the price would have to be extremely low. I would likely not purchase any of the emotes, no matter the pricing.
Playable Races: I think the pricing is reasonable. I believe we should also see some new playable races released for free, but I have no issue with these in the C-Store. I got the ones that I wanted, and left the rest. I too think that if you purchase a race, their features/traits should be added to the alien-builder. I think it should also automatically unlock the ability to use these races as Bridge Officers.
Ship Costumes: I'm not really sure why the Imperial Class is so much more than the others, but other than that, I think that the ship costumes are priced ok. I would like to see quite a few additional variants for Klingons, in-game, before we continue to add more costumes for the Federation.
New Ships: I understand why the Galaxy-X is so much, and I can agree with it staying that price. The TOS Constitution did seem a bit high. I'm hoping that this is considered, when pricing the Excelsior, and other ships that are added to the C-Store. I like the idea that someone voiced earlier, about making the ships scale based on your level. For that, I could see almost 800 points.
Ship Slots/BO Slots: I agree with most, that these should be per account unlocks, and are a good bit overpriced for per toon. I'm not really sure what the logic was with the pricing on these. They are way off base with the pricing of other C-Store items.
Uniform Slots: I think this was the right move, to make these per account.
Captain Rename/Retrain: I think that both of these are at good prices. The retrain is set at a price that should hopefully discourage constant respecs.
Additional Toon Slot: I think the pricing for these is good, and a deal if you choose the 4 slot over the 2.
Tribbles/Targ: I would say the Tribble is probably a good price. The Targ, should likely be closer to 80 CP instead of the 120 it is. I don't have either, so take that for what you want.
NX Registry: I'd say it's where it needs to be. I was shocked that they didn't ask more for it, but I'm ok with that. At 80 Cryptic points, I would much rather have the registry, than a playable Ferengi!!
Borg Bridge Officers: I think the pricing for these is good. I could see other types of Bridge Officers added to the C-Store, later.
Just as a "for the record" I would have bought the Galaxy-X if it were half the price it is now. I wanted it, but not for $25. I'm not bitter, I'll just grab a retro-fit galaxy next patch. But the price tag did stop me from pulling the trigger. It wasnt even close. I would have for $10. I might have for $15, but I also might not have. $15 is probably the line where it would be a coin toss for me.
" Everything including character services should be achievable by in-game quests, rewards, etc."
.or "Everything in the C-store should have an alternate in-game way to get them."
Agreed. The problem with that is that it eliminates the whole need for the cash-shop, and defeats the purpose of trying to change peoples thinking about how content is valued and distributed. Face it, why should they waste time making it available to you and I when they know that Joe Butthead is willing to pay for it? If he is, then they feel that we need to pony up as well.
- Mail an Exchange terminals in my ship's interior so I don't have to go to starbase.
- Autopilot so I can just select the system I'm going to and have the guy take me there across maps, while I go get a coffee, ideally doing a reasonable attempt to avoid enemy ships.
- Holodeck for 1 vs 1 or 3 vs 2 or whateverteam vs whateverteam mock battles. (Hrm, maybe this should be included in the season 2 interiors to be honest, but if no plans exist for it, then I suppose I'd pay for it if it's not too expensive - it'd be a good excuse to invite friends unto my ship to use the holodeck..)
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I'm sorry, but these all seem like fundamental changes that should, if added, NOT be on top of subscription. Until the c-store is sorted I refuse to pay any more money than the £200 I've already spent on this game.
'Everything but the character services should be free.' - Exactly. I understand they need to make money. But I feel a lot of the cosmetic stuff is overpriced and anything which has the potential to be game changing (eg. actual ships and races) should not be kept anywhere near the store.
I'm sorry, but these all seem like fundamental changes that should, if added, NOT be on top of subscription. Until the c-store is sorted I refuse to pay any more money than the £200 I've already spent on this game.
'Everything but the character services should be free.' - Exactly. I understand they need to make money. But I feel a lot of the cosmetic stuff is overpriced and anything which has the potential to be game changing (eg. actual ships and races) should not be kept anywhere near the store.
I feel much the same way. It boggles me to see so many people asking for things to be added to the game and placed into the C-store instead of just added to the game in a patch or update for which we do not have to pay extra.
I feel much the same way. It boggles me to see so many people asking for things to be added to the game and placed into the C-store instead of just added to the game in a patch or update for which we do not have to pay extra.
I agree.
More should be added to the game, and not to the c-store.
" Everything including character services should be achievable by in-game quests, rewards, etc."
.or "Everything in the C-store should have an alternate in-game way to get them."
/signed.
I get, and am willing to accept, the proposed concept of the Benign C-Store: All game features/content require monetary offset to be produced. Cryptic can keep more staff "on the clock" in order to get more into the game sooner, rather than later. These "do it now" salaries are covered by the C-Store Microtransactions.
Dstahl, and other devs, have said they agree that time spent in-game earning "items" can amount to real world money spent, and that he/they want to see that happen.
Ok, so it seems to me Cryptic needs to go talk to the bean counters. Figure out a "value" of in-game time vs. RL cash that makes them happy (and presumably would be acceptable by a great majority of players), and get everything that is currently in the C-Store available through some in-game "time/currencies".
This should be the next bit of feature/content for Cryptic to complete before adding anything else to the C-Store. And keep this up going forward.
Do this, and it would prove the C-Store isn't a Greedy Draconian Orwellian Corporate Overlording Creation Sent from The Future Targeting All STO Players to Financial Ruin and Termination!!! The C-Store would become the literal shortcut, it's meant to be.
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I'd like to see more added to the game in updates and patches and less put in the C-store for which we have to pay extra.
It boggles me to see so many people asking for things to be added to the game and placed into the C-store instead of just added to the game in a patch or update for which we do not have to pay extra.
That is just not going to happen. There is simply too much marketing research data supporting such a system from a consumerist perspective. Additionally I'm also willing to bet the system is what it is for legal reasons as well. Consequently I doubt things will change as there is no tangible upside for Cryptic for doing such a thing; at least that I can see.
Agreed, showing the real prices of what you'd buy would very possibly cause a drop in sales -- since the disconnect between cash = Cpoints is no longer there.
I believe every 80 cryptic points equals $1 USD.
Yep, every arcade in the world knows about this as does Las Vegas and New Jersey. Tokens and chips are the basis of gambling in part because we have a specific idea of what money is and those ain't money.
Well you have to expect a bunch of them on your ship when you walk around. Who else is going to get sucked out a quantum torpedo hull breaches in combat.
Though I would love to see them set up a way to change the standard uniforms for the NPCs on your ship.
Me too, more miniskirts
The C-Store should stay fluff, I don't see any way to charge for stuff like that with out making people think the game is going to turn into who ever buys the most wins.
It has always been "who buys the most wins" the cstore just makes it cheaper for the rest of us that don't want to go out buying copy after copy of the game or alienating friends and family in an attempt to recruit them into STO.
Uniforms: I think they are reasonably priced. I have bought the ones that I wanted, and think that they should continue to add more.
Bridge Packs: I think the pricing is reasonable for these, as well, and hope that they will continue to put these out. I have purchased all of these, except for the Miranda pack. I think offering more bridges is a good step towards allowing us to customize our ships. It may also be helpful to give some more variation in the packs, other than just color and lighting. A couple of the packs offer different stations or onsoles, but not many. Mostly it is a carpet and lighting change. I would like to see some additional options for the bridges, like assigning stations for your BOs (but that is for another thread).
Emotes: This is one of the places that I think it's a waste. The emotes definitely should just be free, in-game. If they are going to sell them, I would suggest bundling them all together for one price. Again, the price would have to be extremely low. I would likely not purchase any of the emotes, no matter the pricing.
Playable Races: I think the pricing is reasonable. I believe we should also see some new playable races released for free, but I have no issue with these in the C-Store. I got the ones that I wanted, and left the rest. I too think that if you purchase a race, their features/traits should be added to the alien-builder. I think it should also automatically unlock the ability to use these races as Bridge Officers.
Ship Costumes: I'm not really sure why the Imperial Class is so much more than the others, but other than that, I think that the ship costumes are priced ok. I would like to see quite a few additional variants for Klingons, in-game, before we continue to add more costumes for the Federation.
New Ships: I understand why the Galaxy-X is so much, and I can agree with it staying that price. The TOS Constitution did seem a bit high. I'm hoping that this is considered, when pricing the Excelsior, and other ships that are added to the C-Store. I like the idea that someone voiced earlier, about making the ships scale based on your level. For that, I could see almost 800 points.
Ship Slots/BO Slots: I agree with most, that these should be per account unlocks, and are a good bit overpriced for per toon. I'm not really sure what the logic was with the pricing on these. They are way off base with the pricing of other C-Store items.
Uniform Slots: I think this was the right move, to make these per account.
Captain Rename/Retrain: I think that both of these are at good prices. The retrain is set at a price that should hopefully discourage constant respecs.
Additional Toon Slot: I think the pricing for these is good, and a deal if you choose the 4 slot over the 2.
Tribbles/Targ: I would say the Tribble is probably a good price. The Targ, should likely be closer to 80 CP instead of the 120 it is. I don't have either, so take that for what you want.
NX Registry: I'd say it's where it needs to be. I was shocked that they didn't ask more for it, but I'm ok with that. At 80 Cryptic points, I would much rather have the registry, than a playable Ferengi!!
Borg Bridge Officers: I think the pricing for these is good. I could see other types of Bridge Officers added to the C-Store, later.
I'd go as far to say:
" Everything including character services should be achievable by in-game quests, rewards, etc."
.or "Everything in the C-store should have an alternate in-game way to get them."
Agreed. The problem with that is that it eliminates the whole need for the cash-shop, and defeats the purpose of trying to change peoples thinking about how content is valued and distributed. Face it, why should they waste time making it available to you and I when they know that Joe Butthead is willing to pay for it? If he is, then they feel that we need to pony up as well.
I'm sorry, but these all seem like fundamental changes that should, if added, NOT be on top of subscription. Until the c-store is sorted I refuse to pay any more money than the £200 I've already spent on this game.
'Everything but the character services should be free.' - Exactly. I understand they need to make money. But I feel a lot of the cosmetic stuff is overpriced and anything which has the potential to be game changing (eg. actual ships and races) should not be kept anywhere near the store.
I feel much the same way. It boggles me to see so many people asking for things to be added to the game and placed into the C-store instead of just added to the game in a patch or update for which we do not have to pay extra.
I agree.
More should be added to the game, and not to the c-store.
/signed.
I get, and am willing to accept, the proposed concept of the Benign C-Store: All game features/content require monetary offset to be produced. Cryptic can keep more staff "on the clock" in order to get more into the game sooner, rather than later. These "do it now" salaries are covered by the C-Store Microtransactions.
Dstahl, and other devs, have said they agree that time spent in-game earning "items" can amount to real world money spent, and that he/they want to see that happen.
Ok, so it seems to me Cryptic needs to go talk to the bean counters. Figure out a "value" of in-game time vs. RL cash that makes them happy (and presumably would be acceptable by a great majority of players), and get everything that is currently in the C-Store available through some in-game "time/currencies".
This should be the next bit of feature/content for Cryptic to complete before adding anything else to the C-Store. And keep this up going forward.
Do this, and it would prove the C-Store isn't a Greedy Draconian Orwellian Corporate Overlording Creation Sent from The Future Targeting All STO Players to Financial Ruin and Termination!!! The C-Store would become the literal shortcut, it's meant to be.