You know what? This has nothing to do with poor marketing departments. It has to do with a fanbase that is so crazy, insane, and entitled that they think they should have EVERY perceived slight against them rectified. It's ridiculous. I thought this sort of behavior only existed in children, not so-called adults.
Those of you who whine and complain about the 'exclusives' and then demand compensation need to grow the hell up. I'm absolutely tired of your whining and constant complaining on these forums. You ruin an otherwise decent community with your antics. I feel for your children, if you should have any, because they're going to grow up thinking that this is acceptable adult behavior and just carry on with your 'legacy,' thus polluting the human race with even more jealousy, greed, and entitlement.
It's pretty sad when WORLD OF WARCRAFT has a better forum community than this game.
/rant
Most people don't like being lied to, especially by businesses. And they did lie, whether through small print bs, or outright bait and switch is another matter, to a rational human, they lied.
You dont get to print "Exclusive X Included" on the box, or on the shopping page. Then make that item a non exclusive, and not get called a liar, world doesn't work that way, sorry.
WoW's forums are horrible compared to what ive seen here, but Blizzard would never pull a bait and switch on their CE Exclusives like this though.
Kinda makes me embarrassed to admit I'm a Trekkie.
"So, you watch Star Trek?"
"Yeah. Why?"
"Well, I heard you complain and I thought 'he must be a Trekkie'."
I had to admit that I got a nice chuckle out of that...and I'm the most hardcore Trekkie I know.
Anyway, I have to say this: Chalk up another relatively benign thread driven to insane levels by name calling and abuse. I say close this thread before it ignites another fire. I'm getting tired of people complaining from BOTH sides of the fence about this, that, and the other.
You know what? This has nothing to do with poor marketing departments. It has to do with a fanbase that is so crazy, insane, and entitled that they think they should have EVERY perceived slight against them rectified. It's ridiculous. I thought this sort of behavior only existed in children, not so-called adults.
And complaining about the complainers is any different? :rolleyes: I really don't care what Cryptic throws in the C-Store, but the fact that "exclusive" has become a filler marketing word for Cryptic is pathetic. They could give similar, and even better items in the C-Store for those greedily grabbing for them so long as they don't sell what was supposed to be "exclusive" items.
Those of you who whine and complain about the 'exclusives' and then demand compensation need to grow the hell up.
You're lumping those who complain about exclusives with those who demand compensation. I might complain about Cryptic's sleazy tactics here, but I in no way care about compensation. :rolleyes: If you want to pick fights, it's best to learn who your targets are instead of painting the entire community with one broad stroke.
I'm absolutely tired of your whining and constant complaining on these forums. You ruin an otherwise decent community with your antics. I feel for your children, if you should have any, because they're going to grow up thinking that this is acceptable adult behavior and just carry on with your 'legacy,' thus polluting the human race with even more jealousy, greed, and entitlement.
Then feel free to leave if you're tired of reading other posts. It's a forum where people have the privilege of both praising and complaining Cryptic. If you don't like it, don't read it. Otherwise the silly trolling you're doing has to stop.
This is like people who got in line all night to buy the iPhone when it was first released, and spent all that money so they could be the first to have it. Then complain months later they paid too much, and demand money back becuase the price has dropped in 1/2 from when they first bought it. You bought it and wasted your money because it is exclusive. It technically still is, but just a lot cheaper then what you payed.
I have heard heated discussions on this subject in other forums (MMORPG). In my logical mind it would be best to never give exclusive items out unless it was a physical item in a box at a retail store. Put the digital items on the C-Store and call it good.
you should cuz they may very well be the one who say, and other suits will go along with it, STO will be F2P, and everything in the cstore will be free as well
Nono, if STO goes "f2p", everything will be in the Cstore, for $$$. Consoles, BO powers, consumables, buffs, actual ships as opposed to just reskins... that's how the "f2p" model works, to bilk more out of people piecemeal than with a subscription by making them pay again and again and again to actually get access to the entirety of the game.
Even Turbine's model, which includes a subscription option to get access to most things that cost a la carte for "free" players, still sells items, gameplay shortcuts, combat helper NPCs, and more so that people who keep pumping more money in than the subscription budgets for still have more power.
This is like people who got in line all night to buy the iPhone when it was first released, and spent all that money so they could be the first to have it. Then complain months later they paid too much, and demand money back becuase the price has dropped in 1/2 from when they first bought it. You bought it and wasted your money because it is exclusive. It technically still is, but just a lot cheaper then what you payed.
Flawed argument.
A more appropriate scenario would be that you go to the store selling iPhones exclusive to x store only then a few months later find the same iPhone for less in a different store. This is contrary to marketing saying it would only be available in the original store.
You bought it because you wanted the product and believed it was the only way to get it. Not unreasonable given the definition of exclusive (meaning to only be selectively available and only under certain circumstances).
This is like people who got in line all night to buy the iPhone when it was first released, and spent all that money so they could be the first to have it. Then complain months later they paid too much, and demand money back becuase the price has dropped in 1/2 from when they first bought it. You bought it and wasted your money because it is exclusive. It technically still is, but just a lot cheaper then what you payed.
No, its not, well, if anyone truly IS complaining about a simple price difference, they need to go back to high school and take basic economics.
To use your iPhone analogy, it would be like this:
Apple Announces that special limited edition iPhones, will be sold that have a gold apple on the back, instead of silver. They charge an extra 100$ for this, and say it will only ever be sold exclusively at official apple stores.
2 months later, they announce that it is no longer limited edition, it will be sold everywhere.
You think people wouldn't be ****ed? Hell, apple would probably eat a class action lawsuit over that.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying sue Cryptic, but the point stands that if a company did this bait and switch with a physical item, they would be sued.
It is not flawed. It is short sighted to think such intangible items would not be made available to everyone else. Anyone with a basic business sense should have known Cryptic needed to buff up its C-Store to offset the cost of so many lifers and slumping sub population. Quick and easy way, dump in the item that already exist. Hence, some went out of their way and paid way more than they should have. Just as one can easily see, in the long run, lifers will get the shaft by one of three ways: one, they make the game F2P (especially within 1.5 years of launch); two they cancel the Lifer program - even is 25% of lifers come back as subs, that's an increase in profit; three, lifers are ignored to keep the sub population happy because they are the real bread and butter for longevity - oh like, say making Lifers bonus/limited/exclusive items vet rewards. But if you need a more tangible example: AM/FM radio. There is a time when FM radio in a car were extra/exclusive. Now AM/FM stereo is basically a standard in western cars. Point is simple and not flawed: exclusive today, is not exclusive forever - it is a term used to separate fools and their money fast, just like being the first to have an iPhone at twice the price someone else paid three or so months later.
Technically exclusive means particular to a certain person/group/thing used in this context. Therefore a preorder 'exclusive' should be something only availabe to those who preorder under the correct use of language.
I am more TRIBBLE off about the bigger picture. I am not too fussed about other having the same stuff I have and have no interest in lording over them as the white knights of the forum seem to scream while pointing fingers from their ivory towers. I am more concerned about the fact that everything is for sale. If you want to make it freely available then do it for everyone, in a patch, free for everyone.
The C-Store in my opinion should not even exist as this isnt a F2P model game (tempting fate) and we all pay a subscription fee, some as a lifetime payment which is not an insignificant investment. In the mean time I don't see an issue with having exclusives, real exclusives, available to a limited few for some particular reason whether it be an in game/financial/community contribution.
Exclusives add diversity, the C-Store helps destroy that while cynically ripping off everyone to milk more money from the consumer cash cow. And it is the ripping off that irritates me. While the game as a product continues to improve and evolve maybe it is time for the marketing guys to start thinking more in terms of subscriber loyalty and promoting it rather than driving away the remaining subscribers who seem to be ever dwindling in number. If the C-Store absolutely HAS to exist make it a forum for new and original things, don't make every preorder a rip-off over night by making their 'exclusives' available on there.
Fresh content is what keeps an MMO alive in any case.
Technically exclusive means particular to a certain person/group/thing used in this context. Therefore a preorder 'exclusive' should be something only availabe to those who preorder under the correct use of language.
I am more TRIBBLE off about the bigger picture. I am not too fussed about other having the same stuff I have and have no interest in lording over them as the white knights of the forum seem to scream while pointing fingers from their ivory towers. I am more concerned about the fact that everything is for sale. If you want to make it freely available then do it for everyone, in a patch, free for everyone.
The C-Store in my opinion should not even exist as this isnt a F2P model game (tempting fate) and we all pay a subscription fee, some as a lifetime payment which is not an insignificant investment. In the mean time I don't see an issue with having exclusives, real exclusives, available to a limited few for some particular reason whether it be an in game/financial/community contribution.
Exclusives add diversity, the C-Store helps destroy that while cynically ripping off everyone to milk more money from the consumer cash cow. And it is the ripping off that irritates me. While the game as a product continues to improve and evolve maybe it is time for the marketing guys to start thinking more in terms of subscriber loyalty and promoting it rather than driving away the remaining subscribers who seem to be ever dwindling in number. If the C-Store absolutely HAS to exist make it a forum for new and original things, don't make every preorder a rip-off over night by making their 'exclusives' available on there.
Fresh content is what keeps an MMO alive in any case.
ye they get a ivory tower .. no fair i want one ... goes off to rant about the lack of tower
Apple Announces that special limited edition iPhones, will be sold that have a gold apple on the back, instead of silver. They charge an extra 100$ for this, and say it will only ever be sold exclusively at official apple stores.
2 months later, they announce that it is no longer limited edition, it will be sold everywhere.
You think people wouldn't be ****ed? Hell, apple would probably eat a class action lawsuit over that.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying sue Cryptic, but the point stands that if a company did this bait and switch with a physical item, they would be sued.
Um.
That happened. Apple was sued. The difference is that they dropped the price on the iPhone without it being exclusive or having any additional features. It was the same iPhone, just cheaper.
So yeah, extending the comparison makes the whole thing with the pre-order "exclusives" worse.
No, its not, well, if anyone truly IS complaining about a simple price difference, they need to go back to high school and take basic economics.
To use your iPhone analogy, it would be like this:
Apple Announces that special limited edition iPhones, will be sold that have a gold apple on the back, instead of silver. They charge an extra 100$ for this, and say it will only ever be sold exclusively at official apple stores.
2 months later, they announce that it is no longer limited edition, it will be sold everywhere.
You think people wouldn't be ****ed? Hell, apple would probably eat a class action lawsuit over that.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying sue Cryptic, but the point stands that if a company did this bait and switch with a physical item, they would be sued.
So when did Cryptic charge extra for exclusive items?
You know what? This has nothing to do with poor marketing departments. It has to do with a fanbase that is so crazy, insane, and entitled that they think they should have EVERY perceived slight against them rectified. It's ridiculous. I thought this sort of behavior only existed in children, not so-called adults.
Those of you who whine and complain about the 'exclusives' and then demand compensation need to grow the hell up. I'm absolutely tired of your whining and constant complaining on these forums. You ruin an otherwise decent community with your antics. I feel for your children, if you should have any, because they're going to grow up thinking that this is acceptable adult behavior and just carry on with your 'legacy,' thus polluting the human race with even more jealousy, greed, and entitlement.
It's pretty sad when WORLD OF WARCRAFT has a better forum community than this game.
/rant
Just as we are sick of all the whiners here thet feel entitled to get the things we have because they're too lazy or to cheap to get them, so they open thread after thread begging for stuff on the cstore. Case in point galaxy-x this was asked for before launch cryptic makes puts it to the raf thats not good enough put it in the cstore I've even seen threads now that want it earnable ingame nothing satisfies whiners. We only have to come here and deal with this garbage because of all the people that whine in the first place.
The Deluxe Version is still listing its bonuses as "Exclusive"
FAQ's are fine and dandy, until you put on the boxes themselves that these items are exclusive, or tell your distributors(steam) to market them as such. Which was an outright lie.
agreed but there are some here that will tell you it's our fault we should've known to come here and read the faq to buy a freakin viedo game crazy isnt it
agreed because someone will want it and not do what we did to get it
The only reason I can see anyone defending cryptic over this is the ones who either are too lazy or too cheap to buy things the way cryptic originally offered them. Yeah that's who you want backing your game cryptic way to go
I understand what you are getting at, but it doesn't apply to Cryptic at all. Manufacturing a limited number of an item, and giving bonus in-game items for certain purchases are different, especially since Cryptic did say these items will eventually reach the C-Store. It also says in the terms of service that anything is subject to change. If someone did not take the time to do their research it is there fault, not Cryptic's.
As a matter of fact, it is not Cryptic's fault AT ALL. Atari handles marketing so if you are going to blame anyone it should be them.
and the fact is instead of giving us these rewards in game from completing hard missions or what have you, they have nerve to sell this stuff to us...even though we pay more than any other mmo out there for a 1/3rd of the content on even their launches. Tis a disgrace..but hey if you want to spend a nice fat wad of cash everytime you play...pump up the sub prices and watch the numbers tumble away....gear is not an important part of the game yet and i say that knowing at some point it will be...its only logical all this stuff will end up on pay to gear pay to play c-store.
I am being cynical of course because i believe star trek online will follow in turbine's footsteps and end up free to play subscription with a store you can buy whatever you want from..(lotro goes free to play this autumn..and yes it has a lot of life time subs far more more expensive than here, also before lotro from the same devs d&d went free with a similar deal..sucks you paid to buy...terrible attitude from those devs but they are desperate for new players.) the fact its there at all and the fact its already filling up alarmingly quickly with henchment more powerful than starting player characters... its a matter of time before we start seeing the real game breakers where everything of consequence ends up on the store instead of in the game...but hey what do you expect with free to play? err yeah we are still paying to play and its commercial suicide to even think about putting game breaking things into an online ingame store....henchmen while not gaming breaking remotely...but the question what will they sell next that you can only buy and makes a difference to the game ?
We;ll see how dedicated this company is to this game over the next year if it survives that long..i should think it will but they need to rapidly pull their collective fingers out big time. if you want to be in the big league and you need to compete with the big hitters you got to treat your customers right from the top all the way to the bottom.
I think its more or less they know they failed massively in every department and they are desperately trying to claw their money back any which way they can the recession hit everyone hard..so they are lumbered with trying to get more content out that they couldnt at launch for various technical maladies.. I hope I am 100% wrong about this, but all i can see for the future of this game right now is how other free to play mmo's work...i hope in 12 months time this game is right up there both with subscriptions it needs to be in line with other mmo's to pull more people in....i live with hope and baited breath for the next installment.
A) Try decaf. Complaining about complainers is definitely a behaviour that exists in children.
C) If you're absolutely tired of the complaints and feel that comments posted here ruin the community, um...why do you read them? I mean, it's pretty easy to avoid stuff that'd bother you on the forums. The topic title should have told you all you needed to know. Just curious.
D) Isn't your rant exactly the same kind of thing you're complaining about and stating as a cause of ruination for the forums?
E) I do so love watching hypocrisy in action.
F) Try decaf.
Anyway...
Hilarious. I don't drink coffee, nor do I drink caffeine. Also, the 'hypocrisy' argument is usually just a crutch for people who have no real argument, but instead want to make themselves look and feel better about themselves. I hope you feel better, because you definitely didn't make yourself look any better.
EDIT: Oh, I better stop trolling, because apparently that's what I'm doing! :rolleyes:
I don't really understand why people are getting this upset.
When they released the info on the pre-order items, I looked at all the editions and all the vendors and I picked the CE from GameStop because I am a huge TNG fan and wanted those uniforms and I thought it might be neat to zoom around in an old school Constitution class at the beginning. I spent 80 dollars doing this.
Yes, I saw the posts from Cryptics marketing department saying that the bonuses stack and you can get everything if you buy all these different versions of the game and supposedly the free 30 days also stacked. I thought to myself, "Well, a fool and his money are soon parted".
I don't fully understand the argument that people came here to find out if all the bonuses stacked from all the different pre-orders, or if you only got one bonus, but those same people weren't expected to read the FAQ about these items possibly being offered later? I can sort of understand if you only bought 1 box, and then all of a sudden you saw your pre-order stuff up for sale to everyone else, THEN coming here for the first time and saying that they didn't know they should read the FAQ about the pre-orders.
I don't understand the idea that someone else getting something at a much later date for less money somehow diminishes your fun. Is your fun related to you having stuff that no one else is allowed to have unless they spend a lot of money? That seems odd to me that Star Trek fans would really think that way.
Am I upset that Cryptic is selling my pre-order bonuses in the C-Store for less than I paid? Nope. I am actually happy they are up for sale because now I will see MORE people in them. I will see MORE people in the uniforms I have seen on TV and that only enhances my fun.
Also, as an added bonus, at the very least all this extra money made by this super greedy money grabbing company will be used to fund more C-Store items, if not more free content for everyone playing. That isn't a bad thing.
Also, so we are all on the same page, I am going to buy the Galaxy-X when its released in the C-Store. So yeah, I'm biased in the direction of buying stuff for less money later is a good thing for my bank account.
I think the funniest part is the OP's analogy. He tells a story about a limited-time item that incurred the ire of Trek fans. Really, hasn't Cryptic and Atari done the opposite by making a limited-time item more available to Trek fans? And they got pinched anyhow?
Well, you know what they say: You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't
Hilarious. I don't drink coffee, nor do I drink caffeine. Also, the 'hypocrisy' argument is usually just a crutch for people who have no real argument, but instead want to make themselves look and feel better about themselves. I hope you feel better, because you definitely didn't make yourself look any better.
Hmmm.
I wasn't attempting to make an argument in any way shape or form. It was simply observational.
But be that as it may, thanks for another laugh. Your attempt to turn this back on me is a great example of deflection (an oft-used defense mechanism). You were a hypocrite, you know you were, but don't want to admit it because it'd make you feel bad. So you come back and try to belittle me to make yourself feel better.
Oh, and you came back to a thread you find ruinous to the community, too.
Hypocrite II: Electric Boogaloo.
If there was an argument here, you just proved my point. Again.
Now, come on back and respond again to prove my point a third time.
I don't really understand why people are getting this upset.
When they released the info on the pre-order items, I looked at all the editions and all the vendors and I picked the CE from GameStop because I am a huge TNG fan and wanted those uniforms and I thought it might be neat to zoom around in an old school Constitution class at the beginning. I spent 80 dollars doing this.
Yes, I saw the posts from Cryptics marketing department saying that the bonuses stack and you can get everything if you buy all these different versions of the game and supposedly the free 30 days also stacked. I thought to myself, "Well, a fool and his money are soon parted".
I don't fully understand the argument that people came here to find out if all the bonuses stacked from all the different pre-orders, or if you only got one bonus, but those same people weren't expected to read the FAQ about these items possibly being offered later? I can sort of understand if you only bought 1 box, and then all of a sudden you saw your pre-order stuff up for sale to everyone else, THEN coming here for the first time and saying that they didn't know they should read the FAQ about the pre-orders.
I don't understand the idea that someone else getting something at a much later date for less money somehow diminishes your fun. Is your fun related to you having stuff that no one else is allowed to have unless they spend a lot of money? That seems odd to me that Star Trek fans would really think that way.
Am I upset that Cryptic is selling my pre-order bonuses in the C-Store for less than I paid? Nope. I am actually happy they are up for sale because now I will see MORE people in them. I will see MORE people in the uniforms I have seen on TV and that only enhances my fun.
Also, as an added bonus, at the very least all this extra money made by this super greedy money grabbing company will be used to fund more C-Store items, if not more free content for everyone playing. That isn't a bad thing.
Also, so we are all on the same page, I am going to buy the Galaxy-X when its released in the C-Store. So yeah, I'm biased in the direction of buying stuff for less money later is a good thing for my bank account.
For me it is not the fact that more people get to use the items, it is the fact that they knew exactly what they were doing, they were baiting people to buy multiple copies, along with one of the comments that were made about appreciating the early contribution but made no attempt to ease the fumes, that was just like adding salt to the wound. The tactic was underhanded, they shot themselves in the foot with this, no one will buy their products with listed exclusives again, they will find the cheapest version and just wait, many people, using the rule of 10s, will also refrain from pre-ordering anything from Cryptic in the future.
The game doesn't need anything more in the C-Store, they need more depth and more variety to the content in game.
For me it is not the fact that more people get to use the items, it is the fact that they knew exactly what they were doing, they were baiting people to buy multiple copies, along with one of the comments that were made about appreciating the early contribution but made no attempt to ease the fumes, that was just like adding salt to the wound. The tactic was underhanded, they shot themselves in the foot with this, no one will buy their products with listed exclusives again, they will find the cheapest version and just wait, many people, using the rule of 10s, will also refrain from pre-ordering anything from Cryptic in the future.
The game doesn't need anything more in the C-Store, they need more depth and more variety to the content in game.
That seems odd to me that Star Trek fans would really think that way.
yeah it's kind of a paradox. in Star Trek they say "we dont care about money anymore, we are over this concept, we work to improve ourselves" etc. pp.
But here we are getting ripped every $ out of our pockets for everything that has the name Star Trek tagged on.
Be it Toys, DVD's, Games... and MMO's are the worst money grabbing machinery on the Gaming market anyway.
You know what? This has nothing to do with poor marketing departments. It has to do with a fanbase that is so crazy, insane, and entitled that they think they should have EVERY perceived slight against them rectified. It's ridiculous. I thought this sort of behavior only existed in children, not so-called adults.
Those of you who whine and complain about the 'exclusives' and then demand compensation need to grow the hell up. I'm absolutely tired of your whining and constant complaining on these forums. You ruin an otherwise decent community with your antics. I feel for your children, if you should have any, because they're going to grow up thinking that this is acceptable adult behavior and just carry on with your 'legacy,' thus polluting the human race with even more jealousy, greed, and entitlement.
It's pretty sad when WORLD OF WARCRAFT has a better forum community than this game.
/rant
I support this post 100%
You would think fans of Star Trek might display some of the fine qualities of the people in those shows...
I guess they learned nothing from Star Trek....
A) Try decaf. Complaining about complainers is definitely a behaviour that exists in children.
C) If you're absolutely tired of the complaints and feel that comments posted here ruin the community, um...why do you read them? I mean, it's pretty easy to avoid stuff that'd bother you on the forums. The topic title should have told you all you needed to know. Just curious.
D) Isn't your rant exactly the same kind of thing you're complaining about and stating as a cause of ruination for the forums?
E) I do so love watching hypocrisy in action.
F) Try decaf.
Anyway...
Having someone turn on the light so others can see the coffee... Priceless.
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Most people don't like being lied to, especially by businesses. And they did lie, whether through small print bs, or outright bait and switch is another matter, to a rational human, they lied.
You dont get to print "Exclusive X Included" on the box, or on the shopping page. Then make that item a non exclusive, and not get called a liar, world doesn't work that way, sorry.
WoW's forums are horrible compared to what ive seen here, but Blizzard would never pull a bait and switch on their CE Exclusives like this though.
I had to admit that I got a nice chuckle out of that...and I'm the most hardcore Trekkie I know.
Anyway, I have to say this: Chalk up another relatively benign thread driven to insane levels by name calling and abuse. I say close this thread before it ignites another fire. I'm getting tired of people complaining from BOTH sides of the fence about this, that, and the other.
And complaining about the complainers is any different? :rolleyes: I really don't care what Cryptic throws in the C-Store, but the fact that "exclusive" has become a filler marketing word for Cryptic is pathetic. They could give similar, and even better items in the C-Store for those greedily grabbing for them so long as they don't sell what was supposed to be "exclusive" items.
You're lumping those who complain about exclusives with those who demand compensation. I might complain about Cryptic's sleazy tactics here, but I in no way care about compensation. :rolleyes: If you want to pick fights, it's best to learn who your targets are instead of painting the entire community with one broad stroke.
Then feel free to leave if you're tired of reading other posts. It's a forum where people have the privilege of both praising and complaining Cryptic. If you don't like it, don't read it. Otherwise the silly trolling you're doing has to stop.
not everything... so, it does apply in a manner of sorts.
Nono, if STO goes "f2p", everything will be in the Cstore, for $$$. Consoles, BO powers, consumables, buffs, actual ships as opposed to just reskins... that's how the "f2p" model works, to bilk more out of people piecemeal than with a subscription by making them pay again and again and again to actually get access to the entirety of the game.
Even Turbine's model, which includes a subscription option to get access to most things that cost a la carte for "free" players, still sells items, gameplay shortcuts, combat helper NPCs, and more so that people who keep pumping more money in than the subscription budgets for still have more power.
Yeah. Wrong subforum. Post your whines...er, complaints there.
Flawed argument.
A more appropriate scenario would be that you go to the store selling iPhones exclusive to x store only then a few months later find the same iPhone for less in a different store. This is contrary to marketing saying it would only be available in the original store.
You bought it because you wanted the product and believed it was the only way to get it. Not unreasonable given the definition of exclusive (meaning to only be selectively available and only under certain circumstances).
No, its not, well, if anyone truly IS complaining about a simple price difference, they need to go back to high school and take basic economics.
To use your iPhone analogy, it would be like this:
Apple Announces that special limited edition iPhones, will be sold that have a gold apple on the back, instead of silver. They charge an extra 100$ for this, and say it will only ever be sold exclusively at official apple stores.
2 months later, they announce that it is no longer limited edition, it will be sold everywhere.
You think people wouldn't be ****ed? Hell, apple would probably eat a class action lawsuit over that.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying sue Cryptic, but the point stands that if a company did this bait and switch with a physical item, they would be sued.
I second this post
ye they get a ivory tower .. no fair i want one ... goes off to rant about the lack of tower
Um.
That happened. Apple was sued. The difference is that they dropped the price on the iPhone without it being exclusive or having any additional features. It was the same iPhone, just cheaper.
So yeah, extending the comparison makes the whole thing with the pre-order "exclusives" worse.
So when did Cryptic charge extra for exclusive items?
Awww It's nice to get noticed. :cool:
btw.
I consider this Thread Off Topic since at least page 3.
Will request to close it down now. :rolleyes:
Just as we are sick of all the whiners here thet feel entitled to get the things we have because they're too lazy or to cheap to get them, so they open thread after thread begging for stuff on the cstore. Case in point galaxy-x this was asked for before launch cryptic makes puts it to the raf thats not good enough put it in the cstore I've even seen threads now that want it earnable ingame nothing satisfies whiners. We only have to come here and deal with this garbage because of all the people that whine in the first place.
agreed but there are some here that will tell you it's our fault we should've known to come here and read the faq to buy a freakin viedo game crazy isnt it
agreed because someone will want it and not do what we did to get it
The only reason I can see anyone defending cryptic over this is the ones who either are too lazy or too cheap to buy things the way cryptic originally offered them. Yeah that's who you want backing your game cryptic way to go
and the fact is instead of giving us these rewards in game from completing hard missions or what have you, they have nerve to sell this stuff to us...even though we pay more than any other mmo out there for a 1/3rd of the content on even their launches. Tis a disgrace..but hey if you want to spend a nice fat wad of cash everytime you play...pump up the sub prices and watch the numbers tumble away....gear is not an important part of the game yet and i say that knowing at some point it will be...its only logical all this stuff will end up on pay to gear pay to play c-store.
I am being cynical of course because i believe star trek online will follow in turbine's footsteps and end up free to play subscription with a store you can buy whatever you want from..(lotro goes free to play this autumn..and yes it has a lot of life time subs far more more expensive than here, also before lotro from the same devs d&d went free with a similar deal..sucks you paid to buy...terrible attitude from those devs but they are desperate for new players.) the fact its there at all and the fact its already filling up alarmingly quickly with henchment more powerful than starting player characters... its a matter of time before we start seeing the real game breakers where everything of consequence ends up on the store instead of in the game...but hey what do you expect with free to play? err yeah we are still paying to play and its commercial suicide to even think about putting game breaking things into an online ingame store....henchmen while not gaming breaking remotely...but the question what will they sell next that you can only buy and makes a difference to the game ?
We;ll see how dedicated this company is to this game over the next year if it survives that long..i should think it will but they need to rapidly pull their collective fingers out big time. if you want to be in the big league and you need to compete with the big hitters you got to treat your customers right from the top all the way to the bottom.
I think its more or less they know they failed massively in every department and they are desperately trying to claw their money back any which way they can the recession hit everyone hard..so they are lumbered with trying to get more content out that they couldnt at launch for various technical maladies.. I hope I am 100% wrong about this, but all i can see for the future of this game right now is how other free to play mmo's work...i hope in 12 months time this game is right up there both with subscriptions it needs to be in line with other mmo's to pull more people in....i live with hope and baited breath for the next installment.
Hilarious. I don't drink coffee, nor do I drink caffeine. Also, the 'hypocrisy' argument is usually just a crutch for people who have no real argument, but instead want to make themselves look and feel better about themselves. I hope you feel better, because you definitely didn't make yourself look any better.
EDIT: Oh, I better stop trolling, because apparently that's what I'm doing! :rolleyes:
When they released the info on the pre-order items, I looked at all the editions and all the vendors and I picked the CE from GameStop because I am a huge TNG fan and wanted those uniforms and I thought it might be neat to zoom around in an old school Constitution class at the beginning. I spent 80 dollars doing this.
Yes, I saw the posts from Cryptics marketing department saying that the bonuses stack and you can get everything if you buy all these different versions of the game and supposedly the free 30 days also stacked. I thought to myself, "Well, a fool and his money are soon parted".
I don't fully understand the argument that people came here to find out if all the bonuses stacked from all the different pre-orders, or if you only got one bonus, but those same people weren't expected to read the FAQ about these items possibly being offered later? I can sort of understand if you only bought 1 box, and then all of a sudden you saw your pre-order stuff up for sale to everyone else, THEN coming here for the first time and saying that they didn't know they should read the FAQ about the pre-orders.
I don't understand the idea that someone else getting something at a much later date for less money somehow diminishes your fun. Is your fun related to you having stuff that no one else is allowed to have unless they spend a lot of money? That seems odd to me that Star Trek fans would really think that way.
Am I upset that Cryptic is selling my pre-order bonuses in the C-Store for less than I paid? Nope. I am actually happy they are up for sale because now I will see MORE people in them. I will see MORE people in the uniforms I have seen on TV and that only enhances my fun.
Also, as an added bonus, at the very least all this extra money made by this super greedy money grabbing company will be used to fund more C-Store items, if not more free content for everyone playing. That isn't a bad thing.
Also, so we are all on the same page, I am going to buy the Galaxy-X when its released in the C-Store. So yeah, I'm biased in the direction of buying stuff for less money later is a good thing for my bank account.
I think the funniest part is the OP's analogy. He tells a story about a limited-time item that incurred the ire of Trek fans. Really, hasn't Cryptic and Atari done the opposite by making a limited-time item more available to Trek fans? And they got pinched anyhow?
Well, you know what they say: You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't
Hmmm.
I wasn't attempting to make an argument in any way shape or form. It was simply observational.
But be that as it may, thanks for another laugh. Your attempt to turn this back on me is a great example of deflection (an oft-used defense mechanism). You were a hypocrite, you know you were, but don't want to admit it because it'd make you feel bad. So you come back and try to belittle me to make yourself feel better.
Oh, and you came back to a thread you find ruinous to the community, too.
Hypocrite II: Electric Boogaloo.
If there was an argument here, you just proved my point. Again.
Now, come on back and respond again to prove my point a third time.
TTFN
For me it is not the fact that more people get to use the items, it is the fact that they knew exactly what they were doing, they were baiting people to buy multiple copies, along with one of the comments that were made about appreciating the early contribution but made no attempt to ease the fumes, that was just like adding salt to the wound. The tactic was underhanded, they shot themselves in the foot with this, no one will buy their products with listed exclusives again, they will find the cheapest version and just wait, many people, using the rule of 10s, will also refrain from pre-ordering anything from Cryptic in the future.
The game doesn't need anything more in the C-Store, they need more depth and more variety to the content in game.
This. Exactly.
Trek Collectibles are down the crapper.
yeah it's kind of a paradox. in Star Trek they say "we dont care about money anymore, we are over this concept, we work to improve ourselves" etc. pp.
But here we are getting ripped every $ out of our pockets for everything that has the name Star Trek tagged on.
Be it Toys, DVD's, Games... and MMO's are the worst money grabbing machinery on the Gaming market anyway.