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Cryptic: Take a stand now please!
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Cryptic Devs/Mods,
In response to the huge amount of controversy over the AGT Galaxy, I am posting this thread urging you to take a stand against this kind of immature behavior. In preface, I am currently a sales manager for Sprint, and I have been in sales management for over 7 years. I know how to motivate people to sell!
YOU Crypitc, must make a statement letting everyone know that rewards like the AGT Galaxy are ONLY attainable through the referral program. This will have the following effect:
1) Continue to provide motivation for the sales men and women of STO to recruit people to the game.
2) Not undermine the hard work that some have already done, and if in the future if new incentives are added, people will actually work to get them, instead of waiting for them to be added to the C-Store for $6.
3) Give you justification to delete/lock all the polls/threads full of fail and whine, thus reducing the amount of negative energy on the forums. Negative energy is bad for business! If a stand is taken I guarentee 9/10 of the nay sayers will actually get off thier rears and recruit people, and that is GOOD for business!
And keep in mind a few other things also:
- Many people are citing the fact that "cryptic has done a good job of listening to the community so far, and should also listen to the community about this blah blah blah" THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND GIVING IN TO DISSENT! Don't give in the the manupulation!!!
-EVERY customer is important and valued, but you cannot do something that will negativly impact your business based on feedback from 1% of your customer base.
In conclusion, to anyone who would want to try to make a counter to this post, don't try for the following reasons:
A) You probably are not close to qualified.
But more importantly, all this time you spend postnig nonsense on the forums, you could have been out recruiting people TO KEEP TE GAME YOU LOVE SO MUCH ALIVE!
I would like to thank you all for your time.
Best Reguards,
Barry
In response to the huge amount of controversy over the AGT Galaxy, I am posting this thread urging you to take a stand against this kind of immature behavior. In preface, I am currently a sales manager for Sprint, and I have been in sales management for over 7 years. I know how to motivate people to sell!
YOU Crypitc, must make a statement letting everyone know that rewards like the AGT Galaxy are ONLY attainable through the referral program. This will have the following effect:
1) Continue to provide motivation for the sales men and women of STO to recruit people to the game.
2) Not undermine the hard work that some have already done, and if in the future if new incentives are added, people will actually work to get them, instead of waiting for them to be added to the C-Store for $6.
3) Give you justification to delete/lock all the polls/threads full of fail and whine, thus reducing the amount of negative energy on the forums. Negative energy is bad for business! If a stand is taken I guarentee 9/10 of the nay sayers will actually get off thier rears and recruit people, and that is GOOD for business!
And keep in mind a few other things also:
- Many people are citing the fact that "cryptic has done a good job of listening to the community so far, and should also listen to the community about this blah blah blah" THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND GIVING IN TO DISSENT! Don't give in the the manupulation!!!
-EVERY customer is important and valued, but you cannot do something that will negativly impact your business based on feedback from 1% of your customer base.
In conclusion, to anyone who would want to try to make a counter to this post, don't try for the following reasons:
A) You probably are not close to qualified.
But more importantly, all this time you spend postnig nonsense on the forums, you could have been out recruiting people TO KEEP TE GAME YOU LOVE SO MUCH ALIVE!I would like to thank you all for your time.
Best Reguards,
Barry
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Every paying customer has a right to tell Cryptic what they would like. Cryptic has the right to listen, or not to listen. Maturity is not involved in either of those factors, and bringing it up only demeans yourself and your argument rather than helping it.
Ironically, that would require this thread be deleted as well. Posting a thread complaining about other people complaining is still complaining.
Those choosing to do the "hard work" will get;
Don't see how allowing others to purchase the ship in the C-Store diminishes that.
Neither do I. I have benn pushing this game on friends and family whenever I can, and it is in spite of the Galaxy X not because of it. IMHO the only thinbg uglier than a Galaxy class is the Galaxy X (shudder of revulsion).
Their FAQ states that they reserve the right to do so, and past practice indicates they will, and soon.
Making a definitive statement one way or the other doesn't help their bottom line, so you won't get one.
I say "Bravo!" I agree, & as I've stated on an earlier thread, I don't want to see a Galaxy-X everytime I leave Earth Spacedock. Don't misunderstand me, I'd love to have one too, but it's a rareity and should remain so.
Personally, I want Cryptic to make as much coin as possible off of all of us in order to keep this kickin' game ... well, kickin'.
To all the folks who will be throwing various produce & dairy products @ this thread:
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true." -- Cdr. Spock, "Amok Time"
I was willing to listen and observe quietly until you said this.
The fact is, I don't care who you are or what you do in meatspace. Here, you are a player, just like the rest of us. The only time your occupation applies at all is if Cryptic pays you as a consultant of some kind... and you are not, else you would have said so. Your voice carries no more* weight than any other players' voice.
By all means, voice your opinion. It may be quite well-thought-out and indeed be based on your real-life experience. I for one am glad to see rational debate on pretty much any topic; nobody gets anywhere worthwhile and sustainable without reasoned discourse. And in fact I can grok much of where you're coming from. But unless you actually are in a position of authority -- in this case, employed by Cryptic as a sales consultant and therefore privy to sales research, deliberations, and executive goals -- you cannot make an argument from authority.
Here in these forums, you are a player like the rest of us tribbles. To praraphrase the Slashdot vernacular, you may be a salesman, but you are not Cryptic's salesman.
* - and no less, I hasten to add.
ETA: In retrospect, this perhaps comes off harsher than I intended. Such is unfortunately the way of Internet communications. So I do apologize if rudeness is perceived since that was not my intention. 'Argument from authority' is a bit of a push-button for me, and so I came off somewhat more direct than I needed to. I do hope, though, that my core point is made despite the harshness of my tone.
Ironically, that quote applies equally to ANYONE who wants the Gal-X, whether they want it in the C-store or want it through the referral program. So that quote is more of an argument against having the ship in game at all than it is against any specific means of getting it. But speaking of Spock quotes, heres another:
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
And according to this, the many want the Gal-X in the C-store
LMAO! Its always funny when demeaning statements are misspelled
Speaking as a fellow human being, and as I'm sure you're aware, there's a lot of stuff "the many" WANTS but doesn't really NEED. Ask any smoker, heroin addict, or family wherein the children outnumber the parents. And therein lies the rub....;)
One thing though,
I'm not a sales person who needs to be motivated to sell.
I'm a paying customer who needs to be motivated to keep playing this game and renewing my subscription. And as such, I don't want to excluded from ANY new game content. To do so, is VERY bad for business
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Now, if we got other new ships in the game, for no extra charge, with new features and abilities, there might not be such a hub bub about this ship. It's new,fresh and unique in an otherwise new content vacuum, at least in this particular area .
The fact is this:
New ships have really not been added yet, (unless at the c store for more money)
So when this new ship comes along EVERYONE wants it....
We play to have fun. Things can get old quick, and new ships are fun, especially if they have neat new abilities that other in game ones don't have. When I'm doing the same dailies, over and over and OVER again, to get purple gear and such, I might get board with the older ships and may want to try out new ones. Especially if I don't find the current in game ones designs particularly pleasing.
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To be honest, If they came out with the Excelsior, or Nebula or whatever, for us first, rather than push a sales incentive, "reward" out, this might not have been such as big of an issue.
It's the lack of new content being the issue here. Using new content, as a carrot on a stick to get us to spend our limited free time, to do anything other than play this game, for which we've paid for, is what caused this "huge amount of controversy". At least in my opinion.
Unfortunately for your argument, we're not talking about smoking, heroin, or any other harmful substance. We're talking about a ship in a video game. And for that matter, no one actually NEEDS it, even the people who get it through the referral program. But in the context of this discussion, the point stands that the many outweigh the few. And most importantly, Cryptic has already shown that they agree with that
Yeah, but methinks the "children outnumbering the parents" clause fits perfectly.
And while we're talking context, the quotation you cited utilizes "needs" as the primary factor.
Just sayin'...
As well, you may not be familiar with either analogies or hyperbole as literary devices.
If only we were discussing the subject of children and parents you might have a point. But since we arent, you dont.
Oh look, you just repeated the point I made in my last post:
"We're talking about a ship in a video game. And for that matter, no one actually NEEDS it, even the people who get it through the referral program."
Good work!
Their great, arent they? Sadly, yours have nothing to do with what we're discussing
I said "literary," not "literal." HUGE difference.
There surely is, gold star for knowing that! Unfortunately for you, none of your analogies relate to this discussion, whether you mean them in a literary OR a literal sense. If you need more explanation, you tried to compare the majority of people who want the Gal-X added to the C-store to a group of children while comparing the minority of people who do not to parents. The reason that analogy fails is because parents make the ultimate decision regarding the wishes of their children, while the minority group who wants the Gal-X to remain "exclusive" has absolutely no deciding power(nor is any more mature than the other group, which is usually the case of parents).
The only way that analogy could make ANY sense if you were comparing ALL of the players(both those who want the Gal-X in the C-store and those who dont) to children, and Cryptic to the parents, since Cryptic is the one that makes the ultimate decision on this matter. However, Cryptic has already demonstrated their "parental" views: they will isten to what the majority of their "children" want. The only question at this point is how LONG it will be before the Gal-X makes its way into the C-store
Yeah, well, literary devices are like jokes....they work a lot better when you don't have to explain them.
Very true, and like jokes they also only work when they make sense. Sadly, yours did not
One last thing: the children are us, the players. The parents are Cryptic, the developers. It actually wasn't intended to be as complicated as you made it. But thanks for playing!
If you are suggesting that your input thus far can be likened to compost, that is the best analogy you have made in this thread
Just feedin' the plants, they seem to be coming along nicely. (Too obscure?)
I love it when people say this is the last thing they have to say, then post again right after it. It really shows just how much they mean what they say
Oh, right, for all the literalists out there, what I should have said was:
"One last thing regarding The Grand Nagus' misinterpretation of my aforementioned analogy:", etc., etc.
Having a face-to-face conversation with you must be exhausting.
Brevity is the soul of wit, my friend.
Okay, your turn.
Fixed for you
Ah, the classic ad hominem. How unexpected :rolleyes:
So you have taken Basic Reasoning. How wonderful for you. Next?
Next, at least in the broad sense of the word, Cryptic will be adding the Gal-X to the C-store, and I imagine you will have quite a fit. I recommend a mild depressant when that terrible situation occurs
As I've said before, I support any marketing decision made by Cryptic which will ensure maximum revenue for the company, and thus, the game.
My interest in keeping the Galaxy-X out of the C-Store is only one of personal aesthetics, not of offsetting any fits or depressive episodes. The cache of owning a Galaxy-X will be reduced when they are no longer a rare item.
I am speaking only for myself (remember the "two cents" comment? That, too, was an analogy), and am loathe to offer speculation regarding anyone else's motivations.
Thats good news! Perhaps you will feel well enough to encourage some of your comrades who do not feel as well as you when that blackest of days dawns
You've got a knack for hyperbole, no doubt.
And, worry not, I've been pushing this game at the street level for quite some time. I referred two friends and both nephews back before referral rewards were a even a twinkle in our eyes. Am I concerned that I didn't get referral credit? No, because this is a great game that I'm really enjoying, with or without perks, and the more subscribers it has, the longer it will last.
I don't know if you're just trolling or whatever, but you've really blown this whole conversation way out of proportion. I'm starting to think you're the one who needs an apothecary.