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So there's been a little chatter lately about the recent move to put bonus items on the C-Store. I think I've seen a thread or two about it.

Thing is ... we all forgot that STO is an MMORPG. The RPG part being important here.

Cryptic is merely roleplaying part of the Ferengi Alliance.

And thus ... this move can be explained by two rules of acquisition.

The First Rule ...

Once you have their money, you never give it back.

This rule covers the Lifetimer Subscriber aspect of the ongoing discussion. It would seem that lifers forgot the very first rule of acquisition. They paid for a lifetime sub, but were ignoring how ferengi treat the act of money changing hands. It's probably part of Cryptic's ongoing inter-office RPG campaign that this came to a head like it did. It is, after all the very first rule of acquisition. So it would have to be a basic aspect of any RPG module or campaign they're running.


And the 239th Rule ...

Never be afraid to mislabel a product.

This rule is the crux of the argument itself for the people complaining. They forgot that Ferengi are ... cutthroat business people. And this quote is a tenet that they do business by. So to tell a Ferengi that you the consumer were deceived by the labeling on their product ... isn't going to get you anywhere.

For further research ...

The Rules of Acquisition
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    superchum wrote: »
    So there's been a little chatter lately about the recent move to put bonus items on the C-Store. I think I've seen a thread or two about it.

    Thing is ... we all forgot that STO is an MMORPG. The RPG part being important here.

    Cryptic is merely roleplaying part of the Ferengi Alliance.

    And thus ... this move can be explained by two rules of acquisition.

    The First Rule ...




    This rule covers the Lifetimer Subscriber aspect of the ongoing discussion. It would seem that lifers forgot the very first rule of acquisition. They paid for a lifetime sub, but were ignoring how ferengi treat the act of money changing hands. It's probably part of Cryptic's ongoing inter-office RPG campaign that this came to a head like it did. It is, after all the very first rule of acquisition. So it would have to be a basic aspect of any RPG module or campaign they're running.


    And the 239th Rule ...




    This rule is the crux of the argument itself for the people complaining. They forgot that Ferengi are ... cutthroat business people. And this quote is a tenet that they do business by. So to tell a Ferengi that you the consumer were deceived by the labeling on their product ... isn't going to get you anywhere.

    For further research ...

    The Rules of Acquisition

    Although I know I disagree on your stance (from most the posts I've read before), I must admit, this post is ingenious at best. =P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Too Funny!


    I have one that I would like to add.

    Buyer Beware (aka know what you are buying)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    Many rules of acquisition can be used for these situations.

    For instance, with all the 'compansation' threads there's rule of acquisition 98; Every man has his price.

    For the whole thing there's also rule of acquisition 17; a contract is a contract is a contract... but only between ferengi.

    In regards to everyone asking if they'll release other exclusives in the c-store is rule of acquisition 208; sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is the answer.

    Whenever they make a change based on some of the peoples wants there's always rule of acquisition 285: no good deed goes unpunished.

    And finally a good one to remember for forums in general is rule of acquisition 190; hear all, trust nothing.
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    WarpVis wrote: »
    Too Funny!


    I have one that I would like to add.

    Buyer Beware (aka know what you are buying)

    If you're going to quote translations of Latin terms for doing business, it would help to know what the actual meaning of the term is. It would also help to use the proper acronyms, as I will demonstrate.

    You mean "Caveat Emptor" i.e. "let the buyer beware" not "know what you are buying," but "the buyer is responsible for being mislead by the seller". By the way "aka" means "also known as." Aka is used when giving a name for something or someone, then giving a nickname, or vice versa. (Oh look, another Latin term.) For instance "Michael Jackson aka Wacko Jacko". The acronym you're looking for is "ie" which means "id est". This is latin for "that is", i.e. that is to say that "i.e." means "that is to say".

    My response to Caveat Emptor is Caveat Venditor, i.e. Let the seller beware. In otherwords "the seller is responsible for misleading the buyer".

    To Tendel, your argument is a hindsight is 20/20 thing. In hindsight, I had no indication that the MU uniform would ever be given out. Infact, Daeke even said that it would not be given out any way other than the COLTS. As such, even then, the whole "listen" and "read the fine print" nonsesnse does not work. I read the fineprint, I listened to what was being said by Cryptic. They actually did mislead me, no tinfoil hats required. I did not mislead myself.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    If you're going to quote translations of Latin terms for doing business, it would help to know what the actual meaning of the term is. It would also help to use the proper acronyms, as I will demonstrate.

    You mean "Caveat Emptor" i.e. "let the buyer beware" not "know what you are buying," but "the buyer is responsible for being mislead by the seller". By the way "aka" means "also known as." Aka is used when giving a name for something or someone, then giving a nickname, or vice versa. (Oh look, another Latin term.) For instance "Michael Jackson aka Wacko Jacko". The acronym you're looking for is "ie" which means "id est". This is latin for "that is", i.e. that is to say that "i.e." means "that is to say".

    My response to Caveat Emptor is Caveat Venditor, i.e. Let the seller beware. In otherwords "the seller is responsible for misleading the buyer".

    Sorry I was translating from the original Ferengi, and my Ferengi is not that strong.

    Metallurgist, bitter much?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    WarpVis wrote: »
    Sorry I was translating from the original Ferengi, and my Ferengi is not that strong.

    Oh? What was the original Ferengi? Since we don't have the Ferengi alphabet availible to us, please give your closest phonetic guess. Also, please provide canonical citation as to the Ferengi language.
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    tendel wrote: »
    In regards to caveats, I lean towards caveat subscriptor.

    Please explain? This should be entertaining to say the least.
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    tendel wrote: »
    caveat subscriptor?

    legal stance of let the person signing, say a contract, be on guard.

    different from caveat emptor

    I apply it as a general rule whenever anyone wants me to open my wallet.

    To a certain degree, yes, but what if the contract as it was signed is violated, not by the signor, but by the one issuing the contract; such as what happened with the COLTS?
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    tendel wrote: »
    That goes to my response before caveat subscriptor.

    Yeah, all I'm saying is that caveat subscriptor doesn't adequately cover all scenarios.
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    tendel wrote: »
    I agree, it doesn't.

    It's just one of many I use in my decision framework.

    I also use caveat venditor, si post fata venit gloria non propero, a black cat crossing your path signifies that the animal is going somewhere, amongst others.

    Fair enough :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    I think many of these problems would be reduced if making a purchase didn't require a complete understanding of latin. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    This post has made me change all of my feelings about Cryptic, it makes everything better to imagine them as Ferengi...
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    personae wrote:
    I think many of these problems would be reduced if making a purchase didn't require a complete understanding of latin. ;)

    Anyone who has any understanding of Latin tends to use Latin as a verbal bludgeoning weapon. I myself have only a small understanding from High School and a bit of self teaching. But a doctor... some doctors will spew latin at patients just to be jerks. I just use it to politely beat sense into people :P
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
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    So Tendel.... it's not too late for you to hop on our boat and speak for our stance, along with Metallurgist :D
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    Monopolist wrote:
    So Tendel.... it's not too late for you to hop on our boat and speak for our stance, along with Metallurgist :D

    What stance? That Ferengi shouldn't speak latin?
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    tendel wrote: »
    lol, it is unfortunate given how business is conducted today it is pushing people towards having to run everything through legal, both consumers and companies.

    IMO, the CO-LTS issue would be best served being discussed on the CO Forums. As I wrote earlier, IMO, the merits have been conflated and co-opted by people without a vested interest in the CO issue to serve their own STO objectives.

    Discussing it in the CO forums will provide Cryptic with an opportunity to address it as a CO issue, rather than a STO issue, or an overall Cryptic issue.

    I'm splitting hairs, but it gives Cryptic breathing room to come up with something that can be presented as a CO solution having nothing to do with STO.

    I don't know if it has been done; if its in progress; or a lack of response there being the impetus to introduce it here; but what I do see is the specific issue being overwhelmed in the STO forums and being subject to STO solutions.

    Thing is, the entire issue has been muddled up by more than those who are simply the victims of questionably ambiguous terminology. It's also been muddled up by the fact that the items from the COLTS actually affect those who have it and who play STO. If it's addressed on the CO forums, you're going to get a lot of COLTS people who don't give a rat's TRIBBLE because they aren't also on STO.

    Seeing as how it's a combination factor and that the part of the COLTS promotional propeganda that was violated is isolated to STO content, I feel it's best addressed here. It's a COLTS issue that pertains only to STO, not to CO.

    Also there are many who bought COLTS for the bonus in STO. I am not one of them, but the STO bonus on the COLTS was actually a deciding factor. Without it I would have remained evenly balanced on either buying it or not. The MU uniform was what tipped me and many others (though perhaps not all) onto the buying side of the line. You see, intended on playing both games and I already wanted a lifetime account, so why not?

    As it is, I feel mislead, lied to, bamboozled, hoodwinked, etc.
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