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First off I am one of the people who bought a lifetime/collectors edition/did closed beta, all that stuff. So those of you who are reading all of the posts concerning players like myself whining please know that it's not all of us!
I knew from the beginning that at some point they would make some of this stuff available. They probably did too. You can cry all you want about how shady that is, but you have to keep in mind that you didnt sign up to attend a church. This is a game, run by a business. So spare us all you're outrage, we all knew it would happen.
Second: I came up playing UO in 97. I suppose perhaps I might come from a different generation of MMO players. When I say this I dont mean age. Some of you are 40 and started playing MMO's with WoW or EQ. Both of which came out after UO.
This might not be the case at all, I may be wrong. But it seems the new MMO generation has this enormous sense of entitlement.
"well i paid for ____ so i want this, this this, and this".
YOU PAY TO PLAY THE GAME!
Personally I wish they didnt give away ANY exclusives! There shouldnt even be a C-Store but thats another arguement altogether.
Stop acting like a bunch of children.
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I knew from the beginning that at some point they would make some of this stuff available. They probably did too. You can cry all you want about how shady that is, but you have to keep in mind that you didnt sign up to attend a church. This is a game, run by a business. So spare us all you're outrage, we all knew it would happen.
Second: I came up playing UO in 97. I suppose perhaps I might come from a different generation of MMO players. When I say this I dont mean age. Some of you are 40 and started playing MMO's with WoW or EQ. Both of which came out after UO.
This might not be the case at all, I may be wrong. But it seems the new MMO generation has this enormous sense of entitlement.
"well i paid for ____ so i want this, this this, and this".
YOU PAY TO PLAY THE GAME!
Personally I wish they didnt give away ANY exclusives! There shouldnt even be a C-Store but thats another arguement altogether.
Stop acting like a bunch of children.
Dismissed!
Solok, Rear Admiral
USS DAEDALUS
Commanding Officer
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While I'm not a LTS, I am a 1YS who has purchased 4 copies so far for various reasons. I had absolutely no illusion that any of the bonuses would be exclusive much beyond 3 months after launch. While the game is not perfect... Cryptic is slowly "fleshing" it out, and it will continue in due time. This is very much like they decided to release the Caitians without hair styles because holding on to them any longer would have caused Doom & Gloom posts.
they hardly appear anywhere in the star trek universe, but for some reason have a huge following.
They're new... something for people to play with. As for the original post, can't say I disagree more... but that's for another time and place. I see where everyone is coming from and instead of telling them to "stop acting like children" by voicing a concern of theirs... I sit back and quietly watch. They paid like you and I did and deserve the opportunity to be heard. Not like it will change anything at this point. What's done is done.
everyone usually gets what they want anyhoo. its called demand and supply.
Yes, absolutely they should be heard, which they have been for several days. But when they claim that they are entitled to something that they are not, then they should be shown the error of their ways.
I wouldn't mind it one bit, in fact I want everyone to visit the Captain's Table. And my country club houses the homeless as well. So there. :cool:
Curious, what are they saying they should be entitled to? I can see the argument for exclusive items that THEY paid for (regardless of how you justify or break down the total cost of what you're actually buying. The fact is if they don't give you another free month of game time, you paid for those items).
I can also see the other side of the fence in that some of the items should have been made available. So you'd be preaching to the choir either way. I haven't seen a whole lot of entitlement going on, so much as a cry to be heard that they feel wronged and here is said opinion.
People tend to disregard opinions if they're not similar to their own and either label them a troll or whiner and that's a shame.
<edited for the sake of playing nice> If I have to pay for something you got for free...how am I entitled to anything? I'm paying for it. I agree that people should not jump on the bandwagon with the "I want this because he has it" nonsense. But if I gotta pay for it...then yes...I'm entitled to it. Again in any business, if you have paying customers screaming for something, its only good business to supply what is being asked for.
The fact that they pay for exclusivity and you didn't would only show that in the end of buying all the cryptic points technically means; they as well paid for the deluxe edition when total money spent is tallied. Maybe even more. Even at the low low price of the STO basic addition at $29.99 getting all of the C-store items means spending at least another $50.- outside of the sub.
So I ask......when all of this is considered...who exactly is entitled to anything? Either way we all paid for it one way of the other.
That's not true and the fact is, they DID sell and market stuff as "exclusives"!
I know several people who paid for multiple copies/keys so they could have all the "exclusive" stuff. They're collectors and fans and they wanted the tribble, the points, the ship, the NX, the Borg etc etc. They bought ALL of it because they wanted to collect it all and they paid for multiple copies of the box and digital copies specifically to receive these EXCLUSIVE items.
To sell something as an "exclusive" just months ago (still even considering original boxes are still on some shelves) and now, just 6 months into the games life, is FOOLISH from a business standpoint. They've just PO'd the very people who invested more than anyone else into their company.
I'm sorry, but this was a tremendous error on Cryptics part for some cheap easy cash...they sold out their biggest fans.
Just let it go guys. Money can be earned. And before any of you accuse me saying that I didn't buy more than one copy of the game for the exclusives. /buzz wrong! :cool:
Now, Cryptic decides to release those item in the C-store for purchase by other players. It's a good way to make some money on transactions and get those items available for everyone that plays. Now the items will be around and available for the entire life of the game. I'm not really upset about this. I paid for the version I got and I was able to use the items before the general populace. I'm not mad that other people have those items now. It's generating money for Cryptic which in turn should be going to support the game.
They knew they were going to implement a store for in game items to be purchased. From a business standpoint, that's a brilliant idea. What I feel they should have done though was actually give players that bought things like the Collectors edition something that wasn't in game which makes the collectors stuff worthwhile. Perhaps something like and Artwork of STO book showing sketches, drawings, and other things. Maybe a DvD on the making of STO. Things like that make for collectors items that people want to keep.
Bingo !
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Um...what you're suggesting they do is exactly what they DID and are now backing away from...they offered EXCLUSIVES!
I think you're right for the most part. If you pay for something I got for free, you are entitled to exactly what you paid for. But the problem is that some people think that the incentive is what they have purchased, and the accompanying product is simply an extra. They are wrong, no matter how fervently they believe otherwise.
This is the case with exclusivity: first, they thought that they paid for exclusivity, but they did not. They paid for a game and for access to that game. Some paid for a lifetime subscription to that game, other paid for early access to that game. All of them received what they paid for.
Second, they want to claim that "exclusivity," which they were in fact given, somehow has the meaning of "for all time," but it does not, and never has.
So yes, they want to claim that Cryptic "lied" or "deceived" them. It did not, and they were not harmed in any way: the source of their outrage is their demonstrably false belief that they are entitled to something.
In short, while they have every right to claim that selling these items on the C-Store is unfair, and they probably deserve some sympathy on these grounds, they have absolutely no right to claim that they were misled, deceived, or cheated. The only deception came from their own deluded sense of entitlement.
Please look up "exclusive" and tell us where it says that anything labeled exclusive must remain so forever.
Also, even if you don't have a dictionary handy, do you really want to say that no company has done this before, when it has actually been a standard practice for decades?
OK?!
Exclusive:
1 a : excluding or having power to exclude b : limiting or limited to possession, control, or use by a single individual or group
2 a : excluding others from participation b : snobbishly aloof
3 a : accepting or soliciting only a socially restricted patronage (as of the upper class) b : stylish, fashionable c : restricted in distribution, use, or appeal because of expense
Given those definitions, I would say that 1b and 3c best fit what the items were solicited as.
Just because other companies have done it doesn't make it right...and especially just 6 months into the game. Cryptic has lost all credibility for any future "exclusive" ever, as both a company and in regards to STO. This isn't just about the TRIBBLE in the c-store, it's about deceiving their customers by selling something for more under the pretense of exclusivity and reverting that decision less than 6 months later. It's horrible business practice...common or not.
i seen quiet a few Europeans complaining also.....just saying.
Good job! Now, please underline the definition that includes the words "for all time," "forever," or a synonym.
The Captains Table is already slated to be opened up to everyone under the veterans reward program (look it up). Frankly, I think that's great because I hardly ever see anyone using the place.
The only "exclusive club" ingame is you personal bridge (and fleet housing when It hits).
So why does it matter if they have them or not. GIve everyone access to the Captains table, it's not like anyone goes there anyways.
You guys are mad that some else in the game can now use the same unless items that you can. Ok why? "Well I prepaid" ok they postpaid whats your point.
If you can give me a good reason why their money is not as good as your money, I'll side with you.
Yep. Some also feel entitled to everything and blame everyone but themselves for their own mistakes or poor judgment. It's sad really.
I highlighted what I felt applied to this situation. Read it again if you're having trouble. It doesn't say "for all time", but it doesn't say "temporarily" either.
This has nothing to do with being American, it has to do with shady schemes and poor business practices. This effects me less than most people complaining, I simply ordered the Digital Deluxe version, so most of my "incentives" are TRIBBLE to begin with, but it really does speak volumes of Cryptic as a company. <-- THAT is what bothers me.
Nice another Ultima Online/UO player/old TRIBBLE/grumpy old man.
Nice to know I'm not alone.
Look at our guilds old Retro site. Been up ever since Diablo and UO.
Holy Order of Dragons/HOD - Old Retro Site - Anno 1997
It has an UO section. Just can't access that old web-hotel and change typos like 1987 (should read 1997 of course).
Oh and about the C-Store soap/drama, I agree.
Now for the rest of You "Get off my lawn".
In my experiences abroad I've found that a sense of entitlement extends to a great deal of europe, in addition to america.