And here we go again. You are going in circles. There have been tons of posts addressing this issue with you. Both the terms Unique and Exclusive have been used to describe the MU uniforms. You ignore the ones marked "exclusive" (and no I won't link it to you, because it was already done in another thread and you can go look it up) and then choose what definition of Unique you want to use.
It is not your decision to make. It is Crytpic's. And it would be a bad one if they started giving everybody the exclusives others paid for.
Some people purchased several copies of the game for these items. It would be insulting to them.. just as it is insulting to the people who paid for the subscription in advance. We took a leap of faith in Cryptic to deliver a quality product. They will still make money from us on the C-store. It is not like we don't contribute any to their profit margin. In fact, i would say that lifers probably use less bandwidth, as we play more casually.. at a relaxed pace. They really don't lose out on us at all.
We are the only ones risking anything. And that faith was rewarded with Exclusive/Unique items.
I ignore nothing, The MU were labeled "unique" in reference to their type and not exclusivity, and when STO forum members challenged that offer the foot note was removed from the offer entirely, Items that were exclusive were labeled as such, the Bonus MU Uniforms were unique, because they were the only MU type of uniform introduced into the game. That in fact makes them "Unique" The definitions are factual in nature and not up for debate within the context of Cryptic advertisement. The debate offered would infer that Unique is singular and if that was the case only ONE set of uniforms would have been available (snow flake only ONE)for the whole player base and only ONE player would have been able to receive said singular uniform set. So that definition is out of context to the advertisement. I must not be explaining the information simple enough for you to comprehend and in that case I am sorry.
I offered as an example the "unique" NX registry it is not exclusive, because it is unique by type of registry that it is an"NX" and not an "NCC". Exclusivity is not about type it is about access to, or how it can be obtained through a single way. I am sorry the facts do not support you case for the MU offer, however they do support the case for the STO prelaunch lifetime investment offer. Some may regard that as consumer fraud, because at bare minimum the prelaunch lifetime offer has not paid for itself yet.
That in fact makes them "Unique" The definitions are factual in nature and not up for debate within the context of Cryptic advertisement. The debate offered would infer that Unique is singular and if that was the case only ONE set of uniforms would have been available (snow flake only ONE)for the whole player base and only ONE player would have been able to receive said singular uniform set. So that definition is out of context to the advertisement. I must not be explaining the information simple enough for you to comprehend and in that case I am sorry.
Back to colors...
Unique, as in unique offer. An offer that will not come again. A unique opportunity. A once in a lifetime offer. A unique bonus item.
The second it is offered as a free-for-all item... kind of removes the unique part.
You are just deciding which version of unique to accept.
My comprehension is fine. It is just my skills in lawyering up the context of something is not as astute as yours is. You are taking the definition of the word that suits YOUR meaning best and saying that it is the end all of truth. There can be many interpretations of how it is phrased. Perhaps this was intentional. This way, Cryptic can be legally covered no matter what they decide.
Once again, it is Cryptic's decision... not yours. Just accept this.
Unique, as in unique offer. An offer that will not come again. A unique opportunity. A once in a lifetime offer. A unique bonus item.
The second it is offered as a free-for-all item... kind of removes the unique part.
You are just deciding which version of unique to accept.
My comprehension is fine. It is just my skills in Lawyering up the context of something is not as astute as yours is.
Once again, it is Cryptic's decision... not yours. Just accept this.
Unique was not tied to the offer that is a misconception and factually inaccurate, but "unique" does apply to the description of the item, I am going to stop explaining it, because I am speaking over your head, I did not select the definition the context of the written offer did. I just summarized that fact. I am sorry you just are missing the point of fact.
Unique was not tied to the offer that is a misconception and factually inaccurate, but "unique" does apply to the description of the item, I am going to stop explaining it, because I am speaking over your head, I did not select the definition the context of the written offer did. I just summarized that fact. I am sorry you just are missing the point of fact.
No are not speaking over my head. You are just twisting the words to your meaning.
Once again.. I will state this every time you speak to me,..because this is going over YOUR head.
here it is....
IN THE END IT IS CRYPTIC'S DECISION NOT YOURS.
That is the only fact on this whole board of posts about exclusives... no matter how much wordplay you offer.
That is the only fact on this whole board of posts about exclusives... no matter how much wordplay you offer.
I have already agreed to this fact at length, but for some reason you keep restating it. It is the one true fact you have presented to me. I agree. I have not twisted any words you just do not understand the definitions in context ( framework, circumstances, background, conditions, connection, frame of reference, lexicon, relation, situation, substance, text, vocabulary.) with the offer .
I have already agreed to this fact at length, but for some reason you keep restating it. It is the one true fact you have presented to me. I agree. I have not twisted any words you just do not understand the definitions in context ( framework, circumstances, background, conditions, connection, frame of reference, lexicon, relation, situation, substance, text, vocabulary.) with the offer .
Once again, my framework is fine, you just won't accept any other possibilities, because of the vague nature of the wording.
Once again, my framework is fine, you just won't accept any other possibilities, because of the vague nature of the wording.
IN THE END IT IS CRYPTIC'S DECISION NOT YOURS
Its the wording that indicates which definition applies, and the Marketing guys posts indicate that as well. They lay person such as yourself does not these definition are obviously outside your realm of conception, and comprehension, to see the facts as they are presented, so I will not go any further explaining it.
Thank you and good day sir.....
latest update ...I have Borg. Cryptic Cares after all.:)
This is AWESOME!
Guess who is gonna have a Galaxy X?!
Guess who will never have to be "duped" again?!
I mean did no one catch this?? Just wait until an "exclusive" is released, then "call billing" and get your item! No 5 recruits, no extra cash, just a phone call (or e-mail) and snap!
That is the AWESOME!
(Wonder if this thread gets deleted now? Marketing is gonna be angry.)
If this is in fact true i guess all of us know what to do don't buy any of their special offers anymore just come here and whine and we can get whatever we want when we want it great way to save money
You can only get exclusives that way that aren't sold or obtainable in any other way. Besides they DID pay, 60 dollar more then the original LTSs infact, so I don't really see how your point is valid.
Actually I made a thread for those to get them in the c-store.
They were after all just a bonus to the CO lifetime sub.
Actually i was referring to contacting cryptic and ask for them personally like people seem to be doing now with the "exclusive" Liberated Borg. :rolleyes:
thats what i'm saying if they're going to make preorder bonuses lib borg mus available there goes there credibility and people won't buy there stuff anymore they will simply cry to cryptic to get it free or real cheap
Its the wording that indicates which definition applies, and the Marketing guys posts indicate that as well. They lay person such as yourself does not these definition are obviously outside your realm of conception, and comprehension, to see the facts as they are presented, so I will not go any further explaining it.
Thank you and good day sir.....
I am sure you will go on further. You cannot help yourself. The wording has been debated with you over and over. You simply are too hard headed to admit that there are different interpretations. This is why there are people who disagree with you, among other reasons,.. such as talking down to everybody in the forum who disagrees with you. This wording was probably made this way intentionally, for whatever reason. Once again.
IT IS CRYPTIC'S DECISION, NOT YOURS.
Do you understand this yet? I will keep restating this until this part sinks in and you quit acting like the decision maker on this subject.
thats what i'm saying if they're going to make preorder bonuses lib borg mus available there goes there credibility and people won't buy there stuff anymore they will simply cry to cryptic to get it free or real cheap
/QFT
This is a point that I also had made. It does hurt Cryptic's credibility if they go back and decide to give out the bonus items that others paid for, for free or reduced cost.
Either way, it is bad marketing practice to the extreme. They are right to keep the Galaxy X exclusive. I would have preferred to have it, but if they make it part of this promo, then they must keep it that way. Whether it is money or time and effort, the cost associated with a bonus... well... it has a cost.
Simply casting aside those who have incurred that cost for those who were unwilling to would be unwise for future promotions. All you would have to do is lawyer it up on the forum boards for a few weeks... and presto... easy way to get something for nothing.
If you want anything you do not have that is restricted by "exclusive" all you have to do is call billing!
No need for petitions, or crying. Just wait, then call billing, then enjoy your in-game item!
I know I am waiting now, and when I call billing I will be sure to mention the Mirror Universe uniforms as well as the Galaxy X the Holo Tribble, the Borg Tribble, the Tenagra Badge, Red Matter, they are all up for grabs!
And all it takes, apparently, is a email/call to billing. Woo!
I am sure you will go on further. You cannot help yourself. The wording has been debated with you over and over. You simply are too hard headed to admit that there are different interpretations. This is why there are people who disagree with you, among other reasons,.. such as talking down to everybody in the forum who disagrees with you. This wording was probably made this way intentionally, for whatever reason. Once again.
IT IS CRYPTIC'S DECISION, NOT YOURS.
Do you understand this yet? I will keep restating this until this part sinks in and you quit acting like the decision maker on this subject.
I never said I was the decision maker, that it your misconstrued interpretation of the reality of the matter. different opinions on interpretations yes, different interpretations no. Different definitions yes, different definitions that define this advertisement, NO. I do not talk down to people, I try to educate, If you feel as if you been talked down to I apologize, but if you feel that way its based on your comprehension of what I have presented and not the tone or manner in which I have presented them in.
If you want anything you do not have that is restricted by "exclusive" all you have to do is call billing!
No need for petitions, or crying. Just wait, then call billing, then enjoy your in-game item!
I know I am waiting now, and when I call billing I will be sure to mention the Mirror Universe uniforms as well as the Galaxy X the Holo Tribble, the Borg Tribble, the Tenagra Badge, Red Matter, they are all up for grabs!
And all it takes, apparently, is a email/call to billing. Woo!
if this is actually true this is the saddest mmo ever
I'm a life timer since the start and have access to it, but I fully agree with you here. It's unfair and it should be changed. We already have enough advantages as first life timers as it is (not to mention a 60 dollar discount) and I think you should get this as well.
Now the good news is that I read somewhere that you can still get it by ticketing billing and requesting it.
Agreed as well - I'm a lifetimer since before launch - I have my Borg; I see no reason why you shouldn't get one too. It makes no sense to me.
Operators are standing by to give you all the shineies you want from the sounds of it?
I doubt it is that easy
More like, if you meet some of the requirements you get the prize.
OP has a LT membership, for instance.
To get the Borg Captain you needed 2 things
1) To order a LT membership
2) To order this membership early (limited time)
Since the OP hit the number one, they got the Borg when they contacted billing. Check page one, I want to say all they did was send a mail with the OP (re-worded slightly). 4 to 5 posts later, they had a new Borg.
(Technically not a shiny, since it does do something.)
The only ones I can see being upset at this, are the ones that want the items to be exclusive. I just want the items...I would have done it the advertised way, but this sounds way easier (since I already have over 5 referrals!) Still waiting on that cloak, no cloak no care.
EDIT (To clarify)
I pre-ordered the LT membership (or whatever they call it) IE I got the Borg the "legal" way, and in this instance cheaper way. I am glad I got it this way, because my Borg was cheaper than the OP's Borg
I don't want a bunch of exclusives, but it does bother me that it was a prelaunch "exclusive" and they make one of the most sacred things available without making the the lesser things available/ unlockable, it sounds like its time to send an email to Cryptics legal department and ask if the inmates are running the asylum or what?
I don't want a bunch of exclusives, but it does bother me that it was a pre-launch "exclusive" and they make one of the most sacred things available without making the the lesser things available/ unlockable, it sounds like its time to send an email to Cryptic's legal department and ask if the inmates are running the asylum or what?
Like I say, "I have given up on this game, now I just play it."
Letters are nice and all, but they only work in the movies. (At least in my experience.)
Now about being bothered. If you knew this would happen down the line, would you not have gotten the Borg (Or whatever equal exclusive item)?
I know I still would want the Borg, it is my main character and tons of fun! Though I admit, I much prefer the customization of the "Alien" side (C'mon Crytic, just open up the Borg tech to "Aliens" then this whole mess can be averted.)
And that is what this has the potential of being, a really big mess. Especially if folks are going to bring words like "legal department" out.
And before talk of "only a small % of folks on the forums" you people seem to forget that those small folks also play the game with the large folks. And when those large folks start asking, in game, "How do I get a Borg?" how long before one of the small folks replies "Boy, do I have something to tell you!!!"
Of course that analogy applies to most everything that the excuse is pulled out on. Remember, the small percentage interacts and influences the large percent. This "balance" is going to provide quite a show, due to this issue. I mean, tons of heated positions on both sides. And this "turn of events" has changed the entire format of the discussion/problem/whatever you want to call it.
And before talk of "only a small % of folks on the forums" you people seem to forget that those small folks also play the game with the large folks. And when those large folks start asking, in game, "How do I get a Borg?" how long before one of the small folks replies "Boy, do I have something to tell you!!!"
Of course that analogy applies to most everything that the excuse is pulled out on. Remember, the small percentage interacts and influences the large percent. This "balance" is going to provide quite a show, due to this issue. I mean, tons of heated positions on both sides. And this "turn of events" has changed the entire format of the discussion/problem/whatever you want to call it.
agreed word of mouth can be the best advertisement for a company or the worst, at t his point I will not be referring anyone to this title. Cryptic needs an ethics and execution adviser, cause something is wrong over there.
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I ignore nothing, The MU were labeled "unique" in reference to their type and not exclusivity, and when STO forum members challenged that offer the foot note was removed from the offer entirely, Items that were exclusive were labeled as such, the Bonus MU Uniforms were unique, because they were the only MU type of uniform introduced into the game. That in fact makes them "Unique" The definitions are factual in nature and not up for debate within the context of Cryptic advertisement. The debate offered would infer that Unique is singular and if that was the case only ONE set of uniforms would have been available (snow flake only ONE)for the whole player base and only ONE player would have been able to receive said singular uniform set. So that definition is out of context to the advertisement. I must not be explaining the information simple enough for you to comprehend and in that case I am sorry.
I offered as an example the "unique" NX registry it is not exclusive, because it is unique by type of registry that it is an"NX" and not an "NCC". Exclusivity is not about type it is about access to, or how it can be obtained through a single way. I am sorry the facts do not support you case for the MU offer, however they do support the case for the STO prelaunch lifetime investment offer. Some may regard that as consumer fraud, because at bare minimum the prelaunch lifetime offer has not paid for itself yet.
Back to colors...
Unique, as in unique offer. An offer that will not come again. A unique opportunity. A once in a lifetime offer. A unique bonus item.
The second it is offered as a free-for-all item... kind of removes the unique part.
You are just deciding which version of unique to accept.
My comprehension is fine. It is just my skills in lawyering up the context of something is not as astute as yours is. You are taking the definition of the word that suits YOUR meaning best and saying that it is the end all of truth. There can be many interpretations of how it is phrased. Perhaps this was intentional. This way, Cryptic can be legally covered no matter what they decide.
Once again, it is Cryptic's decision... not yours. Just accept this.
No are not speaking over my head. You are just twisting the words to your meaning.
Once again.. I will state this every time you speak to me,..because this is going over YOUR head.
here it is....
IN THE END IT IS CRYPTIC'S DECISION NOT YOURS.
That is the only fact on this whole board of posts about exclusives... no matter how much wordplay you offer.
I have already agreed to this fact at length, but for some reason you keep restating it. It is the one true fact you have presented to me. I agree. I have not twisted any words you just do not understand the definitions in context ( framework, circumstances, background, conditions, connection, frame of reference, lexicon, relation, situation, substance, text, vocabulary.) with the offer .
Once again, my framework is fine, you just won't accept any other possibilities, because of the vague nature of the wording.
IN THE END IT IS CRYPTIC'S DECISION NOT YOURS
Its the wording that indicates which definition applies, and the Marketing guys posts indicate that as well. They lay person such as yourself does not these definition are obviously outside your realm of conception, and comprehension, to see the facts as they are presented, so I will not go any further explaining it.
Thank you and good day sir.....
This is AWESOME!
Guess who is gonna have a Galaxy X?!
Guess who will never have to be "duped" again?!
I mean did no one catch this?? Just wait until an "exclusive" is released, then "call billing" and get your item! No 5 recruits, no extra cash, just a phone call (or e-mail) and snap!
That is the AWESOME!
(Wonder if this thread gets deleted now? Marketing is gonna be angry.)
You can only get exclusives that way that aren't sold or obtainable in any other way. Besides they DID pay, 60 dollar more then the original LTSs infact, so I don't really see how your point is valid.
They were after all just a bonus to the CO lifetime sub.
Actually i was referring to contacting cryptic and ask for them personally like people seem to be doing now with the "exclusive" Liberated Borg. :rolleyes:
I am sure you will go on further. You cannot help yourself. The wording has been debated with you over and over. You simply are too hard headed to admit that there are different interpretations. This is why there are people who disagree with you, among other reasons,.. such as talking down to everybody in the forum who disagrees with you. This wording was probably made this way intentionally, for whatever reason. Once again.
IT IS CRYPTIC'S DECISION, NOT YOURS.
Do you understand this yet? I will keep restating this until this part sinks in and you quit acting like the decision maker on this subject.
/QFT
This is a point that I also had made. It does hurt Cryptic's credibility if they go back and decide to give out the bonus items that others paid for, for free or reduced cost.
Either way, it is bad marketing practice to the extreme. They are right to keep the Galaxy X exclusive. I would have preferred to have it, but if they make it part of this promo, then they must keep it that way. Whether it is money or time and effort, the cost associated with a bonus... well... it has a cost.
Simply casting aside those who have incurred that cost for those who were unwilling to would be unwise for future promotions. All you would have to do is lawyer it up on the forum boards for a few weeks... and presto... easy way to get something for nothing.
I think that was why I was upset, they are all still up for grabs except the Borg player character....
as for the rest of the drama, folks come on. Drop it already problem is fixed, and the method for fixing it is simple.
If you want anything you do not have that is restricted by "exclusive" all you have to do is call billing!
No need for petitions, or crying. Just wait, then call billing, then enjoy your in-game item!
I know I am waiting now, and when I call billing I will be sure to mention the Mirror Universe uniforms as well as the Galaxy X the Holo Tribble, the Borg Tribble, the Tenagra Badge, Red Matter, they are all up for grabs!
And all it takes, apparently, is a email/call to billing. Woo!
I never said I was the decision maker, that it your misconstrued interpretation of the reality of the matter. different opinions on interpretations yes, different interpretations no. Different definitions yes, different definitions that define this advertisement, NO. I do not talk down to people, I try to educate, If you feel as if you been talked down to I apologize, but if you feel that way its based on your comprehension of what I have presented and not the tone or manner in which I have presented them in.
if this is actually true this is the saddest mmo ever
Agreed as well - I'm a lifetimer since before launch - I have my Borg; I see no reason why you shouldn't get one too. It makes no sense to me.
It is true, here is the OP's new Borg:
http://www.startrekonline.com/character_profiles/user_characters/Mariel_Martog
http://www.startrekonline.com/character_profiles/821571/view
EDIT (Afterthought)
I am confused why the OP just had to have a Borg, when under their new Borg bio (and only Borg listed) it says:
All this fuss, and you didn't even want to play a Borg? Sheesh!
I will say thanks for showing us this back door, that was super awesome of you!
Well just remember who pieced 2 and 2 together, and did the footwork (not that there was much to do)
And don't be sad, after all like one posters avatar says "I want the new shiny" Well now you can have it, and quite easily!
I doubt it is that easy
More like, if you meet some of the requirements you get the prize.
OP has a LT membership, for instance.
To get the Borg Captain you needed 2 things
1) To order a LT membership
2) To order this membership early (limited time)
Since the OP hit the number one, they got the Borg when they contacted billing. Check page one, I want to say all they did was send a mail with the OP (re-worded slightly). 4 to 5 posts later, they had a new Borg.
(Technically not a shiny, since it does do something.)
The only ones I can see being upset at this, are the ones that want the items to be exclusive. I just want the items...I would have done it the advertised way, but this sounds way easier (since I already have over 5 referrals!) Still waiting on that cloak, no cloak no care.
EDIT (To clarify)
I pre-ordered the LT membership (or whatever they call it) IE I got the Borg the "legal" way, and in this instance cheaper way. I am glad I got it this way, because my Borg was cheaper than the OP's Borg
Like I say, "I have given up on this game, now I just play it."
Letters are nice and all, but they only work in the movies. (At least in my experience.)
Now about being bothered. If you knew this would happen down the line, would you not have gotten the Borg (Or whatever equal exclusive item)?
I know I still would want the Borg, it is my main character and tons of fun! Though I admit, I much prefer the customization of the "Alien" side (C'mon Crytic, just open up the Borg tech to "Aliens" then this whole mess can be averted.)
And that is what this has the potential of being, a really big mess. Especially if folks are going to bring words like "legal department" out.
Of course that analogy applies to most everything that the excuse is pulled out on. Remember, the small percentage interacts and influences the large percent. This "balance" is going to provide quite a show, due to this issue. I mean, tons of heated positions on both sides. And this "turn of events" has changed the entire format of the discussion/problem/whatever you want to call it.
agreed word of mouth can be the best advertisement for a company or the worst, at t his point I will not be referring anyone to this title. Cryptic needs an ethics and execution adviser, cause something is wrong over there.